Head Over Heels remake RELEASED ! - Page 2

BippyM · 24 September 2003, 18:55

In the Zone is a trainer for this fabbo new ver of HOH

It was done by Amigaboy

there are a couple of limitations though!!

1). Scores cannot be submitted if using trainer
2). Games cannot be saved if using trainer

Other than that.. Jobs a good 'un

tomcat666 · 24 September 2003, 19:33

Wow Amigaboy !

Fabolous stuff ! Can't believe it really

))

And thanx for making it so that high scores cannot be send if using the trainer... otherwise I could just close the online high score thingy

Really good job

))

DeAdLy_cOoKiE · 24 September 2003, 22:20

Great job Amiga boy... How did you write it so fast... Or how do you write a trainer in the first place..

I really love the sci-fi levels.

7-Zark-7 · 25 September 2003, 16:46

Quote:

Originally posted by bippym
In the Zone is a trainer for this fabbo new ver of HOH

It was done by Amigaboy

Other than that.. Jobs a good 'un

Amigaboy was here,& I missed him? Damm not one of my happier weeks *Sighs*

tomcat666 · 25 September 2003, 19:50

Yes, but its not a bug... its in the original too and its just a very bad room design ... it can happen in 2 or 3 rooms in the game. I decided to keep it as it is - because it is true to the original.

There is a save game fish a few rooms back which you can use before that room. That was the original idea (in original game it saved the game "automatically" and u only got one load).

With so many people having problems with this "bug" I think I will change it to be less irritating in v1.1 (if that ever happens).

tomcat666 · 25 September 2003, 19:54

btw. if you don't pickup the bunny in this room then you will be more lucky if you fall from the room above - the bunny actually stops the robot from getting you !!! The same as in original !

LordIvo · 26 September 2003, 14:53

The game is just great but too difficult at some points. I played the amiga version some time ago and never had a problems with heels to pass the robots (as in the scene with endless loop) he was just a bit quicker there...

Another "pain" is that heels can't do any manouvres while jumping or falling -- don't remember if that was in the amiga version either.

Otherwise this game is fab and I wish more 3D iso remakes will come after this...

Fissuras · 27 September 2003, 15:39

Tomcat, I've tried a beta some time ago, and now I am enjoying the game so much... what a great task you and your team have done. Wonderfull!!!!!!! Congratulatios to you all!!!!!!

gaterooze · 28 September 2003, 13:33

Just checked out the remake -- absolutely superb. What an amazing job. I never did finish the original (c64 or Amiga), but now I'll certainly try again! THANK YOU.

Drake1009 · 29 September 2003, 16:01

I've got a question though. The room 2 rooms back from the Blacktooth crown. Do you use some sort of AI for the thing scooting around there. Trying to dump a block on it was a pain in the a$$. It seemed that it would keep following me around as long as I was not positioned to drop the block, as soon as I got to the top and ready to drop it would avoid the pillar even if I was running arond the floor with the other char. After about 40 minutes I managed to get the drop on the thing.

tomcat666 · 29 September 2003, 18:53

Nope, it is totally random, honest ! The only one with AI is the robot , and that AI is the same as old one

ptrchiappe · 07 October 2003, 09:06

Hey rattus, akira, frederic and all others interested, it's been ported to OS X too.

You can find it via MacUpdate, Version Tracker, MacGameFiles and probably other places.

I already downloaded and it plays just like the PC version, but on the mac

.

CreepingDeath · 08 October 2003, 20:51

this is very nice indeed, i remember playing when i was very small and doing about 98% of it, will try again soon

anyone got that spec256 emu working mentioned above?
i press f5 to load rom and it crashes to windows. site all in spanish i cant read it

Galahad/FLT · 08 October 2003, 22:04

Wheres the new Amiga version then?

blackcornflake · 08 October 2003, 22:33

Quote:

Originally posted by CreepingDeath
anyone got that spec256 emu working mentioned above?
i press f5 to load rom and it crashes to windows. site all in spanish i cant read it

The site has an English language option - click the little UK flag.

And yep, I've got it working ok.

tomcat666 · 09 October 2003, 07:21

Well, if anyone wants to port it to amiga (morph OS or Amiga OS ?) then be my guest. You will need an amiga with atleast 196 Mb of mem (I know, my fault, no mem. manager inside the game - tought it would fit into 16Mb but Graham just made more and more beautifull graphics and it was because of my laziness that it now requires so much mem) and quite fast processor... on Mac it works fine with G4 400 Mhz

Galahad/FLT · 10 October 2003, 08:43

Your interpretation and presentation of Head over Heels is excellent. I can't fault you on that. It really is first class. Its a fantastic first effort which neatly updates the game for modern times without losing why it was such a cool game in the first place.

That, was the good news.

....The fact it needs that level of memory is UTTERLY ridiculous!

I see absolutely no reason why it has such ridiculous overheads for the style of game it is.

If you've written it in the conventional style:

1). Map data for each level (which can obviously be separated for each level
2). Separate Graphics blocks to compose each level which are used in conjunction with the map data to compose each level.

Just as a for instance. Speris Legacy on Amiga is HUGE in terms of the area in which you can walk, and it fitted into an A12oo with only 2meg of chipram, without having to access the hard drive every two seconds for loading because it was coded economically and responsibly.

Please can you explain to me how your system works, because I am trying to rack my brain as to why it is so huge. Each level isn't a separate picture or something daft is it?

Sorry if it sounds negative, but the only reason this can't be ported directly onto the Amiga is because of the memory requirements. For a game of this style, the Amiga should walk it.

Just a thought.

manicx · 10 October 2003, 08:51

I agree with Galahad there, Amigas were made for such kind of games. Speris Legacy is indeed huge and I spend months playing it. If Speris Legacy can run on the Amiga, then HoH will just fly...

tomcat666 · 10 October 2003, 08:52

Hey Galahad !

I think it needs a bit of explaining, yeah

Anyway, the problem was that from the start I tought each planet would have the original number of tiles, just recoloured. It went from that to a HUGE number of tiles and objects - animations, which is now numbered at over 750 graphics bitmaps - all are double resolution and at 16bit colour.
It is totally my fault that it takes so much memory, since my engine loads everything at the start - the actual room data is only 1.6Mb big, everything else is Bitmaps, WAV files and OGG files. Bitmaps in fact take up 80Mb on their own, the rest is taken up by WAVs and OGG music (it plays from memory - this time not my fault!)
The problem is how the engine is coded. The engine was never meant to be used for a huge game like this, since it was only meant as a little test thing from the start. Then I just kept adding things and I found myself remaking HoH. Never had time to go back and add some sort of memory handling to it, so it would just keep the relevant bitmaps in memory that are used for the current rooms that Head and Heels are in.
I know it is unforgivable, but unfortunetly I never had time to go back and repair the damage.
I *AM* planning an update for this thing, so it will get a memory handler for bitmaps, which will reduce its memory drastically, but I need time for this and work is currently big on time

((
I plan of doing this update for version 1.1 of the game. When this is done then more ports will be possible (including Amiga port). Unfortunetly I am not sure when I will have time to do that. There are shitloads of bitmaps all over the code, so it might take more time then I think now. But it will be done someday ;-)

Galahad/FLT · 10 October 2003, 19:42

Would be a shame to not see it on loads of formats because of the way it was written.

You've done a great version that deserves to be seen on as many different formats so other people can appreciate the effort.

Sorry if I sound so blunt, but I have made it somewhat an art in ensuring that it fit in a reasonable configuration.

I appreciate that to most PC owners, 196MB is nothing really, but when you consider other memory requirements for far more complex games, then you start to wonder why HOH is so huge a memory hogger.

Hope to see it when you've done. I could even see it on Gameboy Advance!

08 October 2003, 22:04	#34
Galahad/FLT Going nowhere Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: United Kingdom Age: 50 Posts: 8,989	So? Wheres the new Amiga version then?

10 October 2003, 08:43	#37
Galahad/FLT Going nowhere Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: United Kingdom Age: 50 Posts: 8,989	Right, this has to be said. Your interpretation and presentation of Head over Heels is excellent. I can't fault you on that. It really is first class. Its a fantastic first effort which neatly updates the game for modern times without losing why it was such a cool game in the first place. That, was the good news. ....The fact it needs that level of memory is UTTERLY ridiculous! I see absolutely no reason why it has such ridiculous overheads for the style of game it is. If you've written it in the conventional style: 1). Map data for each level (which can obviously be separated for each level 2). Separate Graphics blocks to compose each level which are used in conjunction with the map data to compose each level. Just as a for instance. Speris Legacy on Amiga is HUGE in terms of the area in which you can walk, and it fitted into an A12oo with only 2meg of chipram, without having to access the hard drive every two seconds for loading because it was coded economically and responsibly. Please can you explain to me how your system works, because I am trying to rack my brain as to why it is so huge. Each level isn't a separate picture or something daft is it? Sorry if it sounds negative, but the only reason this can't be ported directly onto the Amiga is because of the memory requirements. For a game of this style, the Amiga should walk it. Just a thought.

10 October 2003, 19:42	#40
Galahad/FLT Going nowhere Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: United Kingdom Age: 50 Posts: 8,989	Cool. Would be a shame to not see it on loads of formats because of the way it was written. You've done a great version that deserves to be seen on as many different formats so other people can appreciate the effort. Sorry if I sound so blunt, but I have made it somewhat an art in ensuring that it fit in a reasonable configuration. I appreciate that to most PC owners, 196MB is nothing really, but when you consider other memory requirements for far more complex games, then you start to wonder why HOH is so huge a memory hogger. Hope to see it when you've done. I could even see it on Gameboy Advance!

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24 September 2003, 18:55	#21
BippyM Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Derby, UK Age: 48 Posts: 9,355	In the Zone is a trainer for this fabbo new ver of HOH It was done by Amigaboy there are a couple of limitations though!! 1). Scores cannot be submitted if using trainer 2). Games cannot be saved if using trainer Other than that.. Jobs a good 'un

24 September 2003, 19:33	#22
tomcat666 Retro Freak Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Slovenia Age: 51 Posts: 1,647	Wow Amigaboy ! Fabolous stuff ! Can't believe it really )) And thanx for making it so that high scores cannot be send if using the trainer... otherwise I could just close the online high score thingy Really good job ))

24 September 2003, 22:20	#23
DeAdLy_cOoKiE Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Netherlands Posts: 122	Great job Amiga boy... How did you write it so fast... Or how do you write a trainer in the first place.. I really love the sci-fi levels.

25 September 2003, 19:50	#25
tomcat666 Retro Freak Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Slovenia Age: 51 Posts: 1,647	Yes, but its not a bug... its in the original too and its just a very bad room design ... it can happen in 2 or 3 rooms in the game. I decided to keep it as it is - because it is true to the original. There is a save game fish a few rooms back which you can use before that room. That was the original idea (in original game it saved the game "automatically" and u only got one load). With so many people having problems with this "bug" I think I will change it to be less irritating in v1.1 (if that ever happens).

25 September 2003, 19:54	#26
tomcat666 Retro Freak Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Slovenia Age: 51 Posts: 1,647	btw. if you don't pickup the bunny in this room then you will be more lucky if you fall from the room above - the bunny actually stops the robot from getting you !!! The same as in original !

26 September 2003, 14:53	#27
LordIvo Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: London Age: 49 Posts: 50	The game is just great but too difficult at some points. I played the amiga version some time ago and never had a problems with heels to pass the robots (as in the scene with endless loop) he was just a bit quicker there... Another "pain" is that heels can't do any manouvres while jumping or falling -- don't remember if that was in the amiga version either. Otherwise this game is fab and I wish more 3D iso remakes will come after this...

27 September 2003, 15:39	#28
Fissuras Old Luny Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Brazil Age: 53 Posts: 574	Tomcat, I've tried a beta some time ago, and now I am enjoying the game so much... what a great task you and your team have done. Wonderfull!!!!!!! Congratulatios to you all!!!!!!

28 September 2003, 13:33	#29
gaterooze Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Newcastle/Australia Posts: 25	Just checked out the remake -- absolutely superb. What an amazing job. I never did finish the original (c64 or Amiga), but now I'll certainly try again! THANK YOU.

29 September 2003, 16:01	#30
Drake1009 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Denmark Posts: 2,284	I've got a question though. The room 2 rooms back from the Blacktooth crown. Do you use some sort of AI for the thing scooting around there. Trying to dump a block on it was a pain in the a$$. It seemed that it would keep following me around as long as I was not positioned to drop the block, as soon as I got to the top and ready to drop it would avoid the pillar even if I was running arond the floor with the other char. After about 40 minutes I managed to get the drop on the thing.

29 September 2003, 18:53	#31
tomcat666 Retro Freak Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Slovenia Age: 51 Posts: 1,647	Nope, it is totally random, honest ! The only one with AI is the robot , and that AI is the same as old one

07 October 2003, 09:06	#32
ptrchiappe Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Cagliari / Italy Age: 61 Posts: 186	Hey rattus, akira, frederic and all others interested, it's been ported to OS X too. You can find it via MacUpdate, Version Tracker, MacGameFiles and probably other places. I already downloaded and it plays just like the PC version, but on the mac .

08 October 2003, 20:51	#33
CreepingDeath Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Earth Posts: 47	this is very nice indeed, i remember playing when i was very small and doing about 98% of it, will try again soon anyone got that spec256 emu working mentioned above? i press f5 to load rom and it crashes to windows. site all in spanish i cant read it

09 October 2003, 07:21	#36
tomcat666 Retro Freak Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Slovenia Age: 51 Posts: 1,647	Well, if anyone wants to port it to amiga (morph OS or Amiga OS ?) then be my guest. You will need an amiga with atleast 196 Mb of mem (I know, my fault, no mem. manager inside the game - tought it would fit into 16Mb but Graham just made more and more beautifull graphics and it was because of my laziness that it now requires so much mem) and quite fast processor... on Mac it works fine with G4 400 Mhz

10 October 2003, 08:51	#38
manicx Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Athens, Greece Posts: 991	I agree with Galahad there, Amigas were made for such kind of games. Speris Legacy is indeed huge and I spend months playing it. If Speris Legacy can run on the Amiga, then HoH will just fly...

10 October 2003, 08:52	#39
tomcat666 Retro Freak Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Slovenia Age: 51 Posts: 1,647	Hey Galahad ! I think it needs a bit of explaining, yeah Anyway, the problem was that from the start I tought each planet would have the original number of tiles, just recoloured. It went from that to a HUGE number of tiles and objects - animations, which is now numbered at over 750 graphics bitmaps - all are double resolution and at 16bit colour. It is totally my fault that it takes so much memory, since my engine loads everything at the start - the actual room data is only 1.6Mb big, everything else is Bitmaps, WAV files and OGG files. Bitmaps in fact take up 80Mb on their own, the rest is taken up by WAVs and OGG music (it plays from memory - this time not my fault!) The problem is how the engine is coded. The engine was never meant to be used for a huge game like this, since it was only meant as a little test thing from the start. Then I just kept adding things and I found myself remaking HoH. Never had time to go back and add some sort of memory handling to it, so it would just keep the relevant bitmaps in memory that are used for the current rooms that Head and Heels are in. I know it is unforgivable, but unfortunetly I never had time to go back and repair the damage. I AM planning an update for this thing, so it will get a memory handler for bitmaps, which will reduce its memory drastically, but I need time for this and work is currently big on time (( I plan of doing this update for version 1.1 of the game. When this is done then more ports will be possible (including Amiga port). Unfortunetly I am not sure when I will have time to do that. There are shitloads of bitmaps all over the code, so it might take more time then I think now. But it will be done someday ;-)

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