15 March 2023, 11:16 | #61 |
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Is the whole point of your thread not to create an alternative Workbench setup that avoids copyright issues? What we're discussing is on-topic.
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15 March 2023, 11:21 | #62 |
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The idea of OpenBench is something helpful. I'm not going to have stupid comments about bootblocks etc that are totally detrimental to the community and developers.
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15 March 2023, 11:25 | #63 |
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If you want your OpenBench to be bootable, you need a bootblock, and if you want to avoid copyright issues, it needs to not be the standard Amiga OS one produced by the Install command.
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15 March 2023, 11:28 | #64 |
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I mean it, just stop! Have a day off will you. Obviously install is designed for end users to distribute public domain software.
You and you stupid comments putting future developers' software at risk. That is enough now! Mods delete the necessary posts. |
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15 March 2023, 11:51 | #66 |
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Moving on.........
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15 March 2023, 12:08 | #67 |
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Hyperion has the rights, not Cloanto. Plus, Commodore never claimed any kind of copyright on the bootblock, and even if they had, it would be covered by fair use, eg. see the Sega vs Accolade case.
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I was humoring you, being nice to you,. understand. Now I won't engage with you anymore.
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15 March 2023, 13:48 | #69 |
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Well, whoever actually owns the rights is ultimately to be decided by the courts, but as things stand, Cloanto claim to have distribution rights up to and including 3.1, and behave as if that the case including filing lawsuits. As for the bootblock thing, it's news to me too that that's a potential issue, but Cloanto are claiming it as akin to the system files. I also suspect it would come under fair use, but who's gonna challenge that if threatened? Very few developers in the Amiga community would do anything other than pay the $99 or simply stop distributing their product.
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I mean, its not like there aren't any alternative Bootblocks out there:
http://aminet.net/package/disk/misc/BootWriter http://aminet.net/package/dev/asm/FredoBBUtils |
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Yup, writing a bootblock is trivial, and that's a couple of good suggestions for Retro1234 to include instead of the Install command if desired.
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Who has the Amiga OS rights now?
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I had a similar idea long ago, I even posted it up on the web.
I, in fact, named it "FreeBench". So please be kind to use another name. "OpenBench" seems nice. http://lilliput.amiga-projects.net/FreeBench.htm There is not a download on that page, but more of a short summary of what was my inital project and the results achieved. I have the resulting adf image somewhere in an ancient backup. But to be honest, it would not be that useful anymore. I am eager to help you, or anyone for that matter, or answer any related question to help you on your own journey if you wish to. My adventure ended up in being caught too much into the inner workings of AmigaOS, and becoming part of the AmigaOS Team(68k) since 2017. In any case, I always thought it would be attractive asking Hyperion for free redistribution permission of a basic set of AmigaOS system files for developers and users to enable everyone to offer their software creations in a bootable medium with some basic functionality (of course, not a complete OS). |
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what was included in your distribution? What were the differences/improvements compared to standard 3.1? And yes AROS will propably never run sufficiently on standard amiga hardware. There are several reasons, most important certainly lack of skilled developers who want to do that. But with PiStorm and Apollo there are at least options today. |
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Interesting project.
The only thing I'm missing so far is lha and a file manager. For a different project I stumbled across http://aminet.net/package/util/dir/mtool22 which can read lha archives directly (if lha is available I believe) so maybe it might be worth adding. One question, where exactly do these aros files come from? I tried different downloads from the aros homepage before and wasn't able to find them. Edit: I also suggest http://aminet.net/package/disk/misc/MyFormat1.28 instead of MFormat. It is newer and smaller. Without the Apps and Storage folders it almost fits on a disk. Last edited by EctoOne; 17 March 2023 at 03:20. |
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Thanks for the suggestions. I'm happy to include your suggestions in the next update. I don't know when that will be. But if anyone wants to add them go ahead then I think it will truly deserve the name OpenBench.
The AROS stuff came from the nightly builds. https://aros.sourceforge.io/nightly1.php |
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OK, thanks for the info. For some reason I can't properly read the iso file with uae4arm.
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