Open Workbench

[Retro1234]

I know you can't upload Workbench, but why all the fuss with two simple downloads from Aminet you can get a basic Workbench.

https://aminet.net/package/util/sys/MSys-1.2
http://aminet.net/package/misc/antiq/ARP_13

There must be more options to build on this, why has no-one created an open Workbench before?

[Daedalus]

You mean... Like AROS 68k?

[Retro1234]

Yeah except you don't need the AROS ROM

[Daedalus]

You don't need the AROS ROM for most of the AROS DOS commands either. They'll run just fine on Kickstart 3.1.

[Retro1234]

Ok but you need LoadWB

[Retro1234]

Sorry there is a LoadWB with the current build of AROS. I am even more baffled why there isn't a good distro of an Open Workbench.

[saimon69]

so, as far as i remember from 2013 (if things are changed am not sure), aros 68k base distro comes with either the full Wanderer - that is not optimized for low power machines - and with Workbook, that is a bare bones workbench interface.

[AMIGASYSTEM]

Originally Posted by Retro1234

Sorry there is a LoadWB with the current build of AROS. I am even more baffled why there isn't a good distro of an Open Workbench.

AROS 68k does not use LoadWB to start Wanderer (Workbench), LoadWB on AROS 68k but also AROS x86, is used to start "a minimal Workbench" called Workbook.

I specify that AROS 68k system files will never work on any AMiGA

In contrast AROS 68k can run AMiGA software, although the major (not total) compatibility is for native Amiga OS 3.1 software.


This is AROS One 68k (my Distribution)!

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[Retro1234]

Ok that looks good. I'm looking at a bare bones Workbench for Kick2.x + After some testing Aros 68k has a lot of incompatibility with such, I used the nightly build.

I'll probably stick to doing it this way.

[Retro1234]

Is there a Workbook 68k and if so where can I get it?

[Gorf]

Originally Posted by AMIGASYSTEM

I specify that AROS 68k system files will never work on any AMiGA

[AMIGASYSTEM]

Originally Posted by Gorf

No wonder, Amiga OS uses different format executables !

[AMIGASYSTEM]

Originally Posted by Retro1234

Ok that looks good. I'm looking at a bare bones Workbench for Kick2.x + After some testing Aros 68k has a lot of incompatibility with such, I used the nightly build.

I'll probably stick to doing it this way.

On AROS 68k, to increase compatibility with Amiga OS, you have to replace libraries and system files (with those supported), which on my Distribution I avoid doing.

Is there a Workbook 68k and if so where can I get it?

No, there is no Workbook 68k folder, AROS 68k does not emulate anything

[Retro1234]

http://obligement.free.fr/articles_t...cmullan_en.php

"You've started to implement your light replacement for WorkBench, called Workbook (as Wanderer is too big to be used in basic 68k offers). And by the way now Mazze is porting Scalos... What are your thoughts about the situation on this front, and what are your plans for Workbook?

Workbook will stay as a minimal in-ROM Workbench replacement (needed for AmigaOS Workbench floppies and some games), but I don't plan on adding too many features at the moment.

Scalos will be a fine 'fuller featured' Workbench for Amiga m68k, and I expect Wanderer to remain as the 'fullest featured' Workbench, unless Scalos surpasses it."

? Where can I even try Workbook?

[Gorf]

Originally Posted by AMIGASYSTEM

No wonder, Amiga OS uses different format executables !

AROS 68K supports hunk
I really do not understand what you are trying to say here.

Of course AROS68K and its "system files" (what else is AROS if not system files??) do work on 68k Amigas - that is the whole purpose of AROS68K.

[OlafSch]

Originally Posted by AMIGASYSTEM

No wonder, Amiga OS uses different format executables !

Aros worked on vanilla Amigas (at least I know one who booted it from time to time on A4000). And you should know that you ´can mix Aros and Amiga

[OlafSch]

Originally Posted by Gorf

AROS 68K supports hunk
I really do not understand what you are trying tom say here.

Of course AROS68K and its "system files" (what else is AROS if not system files??) do work on 68k Amigas - that is the whole purpose of AROS68K.

Amigasystem sometimes talk strange things. I mix Aros and Amiga on 68k for a long time already. And yes it even booted on plain Amiga hardware. The trick was you installed the aros roms during boot in fast ram (if available). Unfortunately this mechanism was broken in the past and currently not works. But if fixed it would work.

Regarding desktops, you have Wanderer, Scalos and Magellan. Wanderer is the simplest and more on 3.1 level, Scalos and expecially Magellan more powerfull.

[AMIGASYSTEM]

Originally Posted by Retro1234

http://obligement.free.fr/articles_t...cmullan_en.php

Scalos will be a fine 'fuller featured' Workbench for Amiga m68k, and I expect Wanderer to remain as the 'fullest featured' Workbench, unless Scalos surpasses it."

Scalos as well as Magellan, in my opinion are like a foreign body on AROS, as they were for AMiGA I created a Version of AROS One 68k and x86 with Scalos, but only for testing.

Scalos like Magellan are torture for novice users, configuring them is only for experienced users

For me it remains Wandere "the Workbench" of AROS, Wanderer like The Amiga Workbench is the best choice, configurable even by a child, every facet of preferences at its tool, on Scalos and magellan to handle everything is a confusing GUI.

? Where can I even try Workbook?

To run Workbook, you simply need to modify the Startup-sequence and use the LoadWB Command instead of Wanderer

However, you won't notice much difference in speed on an Amiga, I also don't know if Workbook has ever been updated in recent years !

[OlafSch]

Originally Posted by AMIGASYSTEM

Scalos as well as Magellan, in my opinion are like a foreign body on AROS, as they were for AMiGA I created a Version of AROS One 68k and x86 with Scalos, but only for testing.
Scalos like Magellan are torture for novice users, configuring them is only for experienced users

For me it remains Wandere "the Workbench" of AROS, Wanderer like The Amiga Workbench is the best choice, configurable even by a child, every facet of preferences at its tool, on Scalos and magellan to handle everything is a confusing GUI.



To run Workbook, you simply need to modify the Startup-sequence and use the LoadWB Command instead of Wanderer

However, you won't notice much difference in speed on an Amiga

the "torture" is your job as distribution creator. If you not want that do not blame the desktops

[AMIGASYSTEM]

Originally Posted by OlafSch

the "torture" is your job as distribution creator. If you not want that do not blame the desktops

Just see here on this or other Amiga forums, how many people use Scalos or Magellan, I don't think there are many