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I always thought that SetPatch would be freeware for all Amigas as it patches the OS.
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It depends on where that version came from. 43.6 wasn't a version released by Commodore, so if it's a case that it's a 3rd party unofficial version that was based on Commodore code without a licence, then you can understand how that might be a problem. Nevertheless, that version is still available on Aminet, so either Hyperion haven't spotted it there (unlikely), or they just want to restrict such releases to "official" channels.
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Hyperion stated more then once they aren't interested at 68k development at all in any way, instead they'll ask a hefty license fee of 5 figures when you want to develop an os3.x driver for Picasso yourself....
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Just a typical amiga user over re-action
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When OS4 support blizzardppc? (scsi)
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apparently because olsen really wanted, and they must owe him quite a lot, since if not him they would probably never be able to lay their hands on amiga os and the source code.
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About two years ago I learned at the Amiga 30 event at Neuss (Germany) that there was a growing interest in making hardware and software for the 68k Amigas again. There was a genuine demand for developer material, too. Everything had gone out of print (ROM Kernel Reference Manuals, AmigaDOS manual, etc.), and only Haage & Partner were still making and selling small numbers of "Amiga Developer CD 2.1" CD-Rs. This reminded me a lot of how I got started in making software for the Amiga, and right on the spot in Neuss I began talking to the people I knew, and those I met for the first time there. This is where this started, and it's been slow going, unfortunately, but it did proceed one step at a time. One of the parts of the puzzle, if you will, is the "puzzling" AmigaOS 3.1 update which nobody seemed to have asked for. This operating system version has been neglected over the years to the point where everybody seems to have resigned to put up with its shortcomings. This begins with the weird bugs in the shell commands, then there's the file system, the mass storage device drivers (scsi.device), the partitioning software (HDToolBox), the Installer tool and the installation process itself. At the very least it would have been helpful to blow some of the dust off and make a new set of installation media that would not require you to jump through so many hoops to get a basic system installation working. Bugs which were fixable without turning over most of the operating system code along the way were addressed, too. I wish I could have done more about that, but there was eventually too little time to get everything right. The recent AmigaOS 3.1 update is supposed to brush up what had been gathering dust for so long. The new Amiga hardware which was promised to arrive this and next year should not need to use "hand-me-down" versions of AmigaOS 3.1 (1994), AmigaOS 3.5 (1998) and AmigaOS 3.9 (1999), using drivers and utility software patched just so that it wouldn't crash or hang during installation, or fail to detect CF interfaces. That's the goal, but, as I mentioned, it's been slow going... |
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It certainly looks like (limited?) continued 68k AmigaOS development was in the works but there was some disagreement about who owns what and then the recent positioning for leverage in negotiations. Edit: I posted before reading Olaf "olsen" Barthel's latest post but it looks like I was on the right track. I trust him more than any of the other parties involved. Good luck in your negotiations Olaf. Last edited by matthey; 15 August 2017 at 20:46. |
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i dont think i have been suggesting that your work on amiga kickstart has been intended to "wind up people". im actually trusting your genuine dedication and even if i was not i haven not been questioning that at all. same as i dont question that there is monetary interest on part of people you need to convince, and that this argument has lately become more significant and helped you leverage your agenda, while this all happened not because of the pure intentions of your "associates" but rather against their will, thanks to circumstances and other peoples independant work. at least that is how it looks from here. and nevertheless, the contribution you and thor have been allowed to deliver, is of a minimal effect, sorry to say. you may have corrected some errors in kickstart modules or libs, while the users who need much more than that are happily at hacking and patching in that stuff as they ever did.
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I wouldn't say Gunnar is "impossible to negotiate" with. He is just very stubborn, opinionated and not open minded. I believe Olaf is dealing with similar personalities in his negotiations. You can't just buy these guys out either if one doesn't agree. That would be easy but these guys have a crazy way of valuing their intellectual property. AmigaOS 4 may have a negative value based on a negative cash flow (being able to see their balance sheet would be a big bargaining chip), Cloanto's AmigaOS 3 should only be worth a few times a low income yearly salary, A-Eon is probably lucky to break even while trying new marketing approaches, iComp could probably make more money for a different market and the Apollo guys obviously aren't getting rich. This group needs to work together but they have to find common ground too.
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Yes we must thank the drama lovers for this non event and giving an outlet for people to post random tirades of all the real and imagined transgressions of Hyperion.
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Heinz Wrobel was the author behind SetPatch 43.6b and I uploaded it to ...net.net in the year 2000. The SetPatch date itself is 12.05.1997. So why Hyperion want's it off the net is funny for a SetPatch command for OS 2.X-3.X that is 20 year's old.
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