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BTW, the power isn't consumed by the register file but by the super-wide and manyfold parallel ALU. We don't have anything wider than 64bits in Apollo. About what decade of processor development are we discussing here? Are we discussing about what's a good design decision today or about what seemed to be a good decision in 1995? |
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In any case, I don't see why one should make a big fuzz about stuff that hasn't even been released yet as things can change. If Gold3, by your usage pattern, breaks more stuff that it fixes, then you can always revert back to Gold 2 and just be happy with that. Many other projects like these rarely see any firmware updates despite promises, so what we have received so far is a big positive surprise to me. The Vampire board is a very different beast today than what it was when I first got it. |
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22 June 2017, 13:30 | #164 |
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woohoo finally back on topic!
The idea of being able to switch between real* chipset and SAGA sounds tempting but I wonder how much people would really use it, once SAGA reaches a certain level of stability and compatibility. The stated goal is 100% compatibility, at which point; why bother going back to the chipset? It makes the rest of the Amiga a glorified PSU and keyboard, but I suppose that's alright... *the one on the main board. This isn't a discussion on whether FPGA is an emulation or an implementation |
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This reminds me my Blizzard 1230, that can be switched off during the boot by holding a key, but damn - I have never done it. There is just no reason and so my precious MC68ec020 is now useless, but who cares.
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If people dont want to be tied down to backwards compatibility because they feel that it stunts future Amiga development then yeah, fair enough. But isn't that what the standalone Vampire board will be good for? I can see Vampire catering to the needs of a broad section of Amiga fandom and perhaps even those that never used to be fans. Last edited by sean_sk; 22 June 2017 at 13:56. |
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22 June 2017, 15:48 | #167 |
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There's always one...
I understand the point though. To play devil's advocate a little; if you want to remember it the way it was, don't add a Vampire. The team are creating a "new Amiga", effectively, going where Commodore might have done had they not gone bankrupt. For an unadulterated early 90s gaming experience, get an A500 + 512k and leave it as that. |
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Threads where people try to get back to Amiga now currently and quickly devolve into "get a Vampire!" pitches, without realizing the Vampire is just not for everyone right now and, in most cases, people do NOT need one and will be disappointed when they receive it because it doesn't do the wonders they have been told it would by misled forumites giving ill advice. This kinda advice also hurts the Vampire by enlarging the "disgruntled population". It'd be best kept in check instead of giving it care free., You can use an HDMI downscaler as suggested earlier in this thread, there's also scanline generator hardware. Not the same, but hey. |
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I'm also using CRT for all my retro computers & consoles.
I have yet to see an LCD screen that can match a high-end CRT when gaming on systems that were designed for PAL/NTSC. I second the motion to allow users to choose which "chipset" to use. |
22 June 2017, 16:28 | #170 |
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It's horses for courses; classic hardware with a modern-for-classic accelerator (something from iComp, or TerribleFire, or similar) is probably more suitable for someone who wants to do old stuff more quickly.
The Vampire, for me, is a new machine which takes the Amiga to a new place. It's an exciting journey but it's not for everyone. FPU or no. |
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If you think his points are nonsense it tells me a lot of yourself. |
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22 June 2017, 18:05 | #172 |
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@Akira
While I realise the disgruntled effect is real, Ive never understood it. Dan Wood/Kookytech got such a more sunny disposition; Appriciate the effort of others while also point out pros and cons, including what would be good to see changed/developed in the future. A glas half full attitude instead of half empty. I will keep one of my amigas classic/non vampire; and keep both expiriences within hands reach. Or possibly get Jens's Reloaded. Many options; and I think positivity is more productive in the long tun. |
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Gunnar just enabled Hyperthreading in the Apollo-Core!
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Say you come here and say "hey guys had an Amiga and have fond memories, want to go back to it, I want to play all those games, but I want to spice up the system a but more to be used today, like transferring stuff to my Amiga from my modern computer, what do you suggest?" Two replies down someone says "YOU MUST get a Vampire it's the Amiga FUTURE!", and you go and get it. Terrible mistake. You'll be VERY disappointed when you find it has compatibility issues and that you have a hard time running stuff "like you remember". As I said, Vampire isn't for just everyone, and people suggesting others to get one should be wary to do so. You only damage the platform by suggesting people who are not really suited to have one (yet) to get one. Teh truth is most Amiga 68k users of today, just want to reminisce and play old stuff with them, for which they need not much expansion, especially when in most cases, Amiga expansions cause incompatibilities you have to work around. |
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It's still 68k, just with new features.
Okay, so far I haven't seen much incompatibilities outside of FPU garbage that I wouldn't be using anyway since all I have is an A600. But now I get to look forward to AGA games and things I couldn't use before. And enjoy things like a WB that is a decent speed with more than 4 colors. |
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22 June 2017, 19:43 | #178 |
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@Arika
Still doesnt make sense. Most of us are 30-40++ and I would think we had aquired the ability to read several posts, threads and forums/sites and learn pro/cons before we purchase anything. Like research. |
22 June 2017, 20:44 | #179 |
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I dunno, I'm 35 and I still try to push doors that clearly say "pull". Reading things is easier said than done.
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If you come to an Amiga forum asking for help, you expect people will give you "expert" advice, or at least trustworthy/tried and tested advice, and trust it at face value. I think this is pretty common of most people. |
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