Golem Lightgun games

brolly · 01 February 2015, 11:15

Just noticed gameplay screenshots were recently added to the Championship Shooting page at EAB. Is there any chance these games have been found and dumped meanwhile and I'm not aware of it? Those screenshots must have came from somewhere

Been searching for this one and Worldwide Hunting since ages.

nujack · 06 February 2016, 21:52

I bought recently a golem Light gun with 2 games.
One game is worldwide hunting the other one is called MasterOfTheTown, which isn't listed in HOL.
WorldwideHunting actually doesn't start on my A1200 and the other one is freezing when you select the count of players. I'm not sure if the disks are okay but would be cool if someone could make an install for WHDLoad with Lightgun-support.

mai · 06 February 2016, 21:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by nujack

One game is worldwide hunting .

Is it possible to create ADF and is there an option to play it via mouse?

nujack · 06 February 2016, 22:09

I can't start it actually => Reboot on A1200.
I'll try to create a WWARP file, which a WHDLoad-patcher can check/verify.

mai · 06 February 2016, 22:17

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Originally Posted by nujack

I'll try to create a WWARP file, which a WHDLoad-patcher can check/verify.

So WHDLoad has priority for you, too bad.

nujack · 06 February 2016, 22:39

No but it doesn't work with ADF-Blitzer for instance and I think it's related to the disk format. It's not shown as a dos-disk.
BTW I have made an upload of the wwarp-image to the zone.

s2325 · 06 February 2016, 22:51

Maybe Master of The Town freeze after detecting joystick or mouse even if light gun is in other port.

brolly · 07 February 2016, 12:28

These are great news, really hope the games can be finally preserved! Can you make an adf of MasterOfTheTown since you seem to be able to load that one?

I'm very interested on that game now, because never heard of it before.

I assume you don't have a Kryoflux to dump WWH if everything else fails? A WHDLoad working version would be great, but of course if a proper disk dump can be made that would be even better

The revival of this thread made me search for these games again and I came across this site:
http://amiga.haller.ch/index.php/ami...e-hunting-1991

The guy has an adf file available for download (for Championship Shooting?), everything is in german and google translation was pretty poor, but from the little that actually made some sense seems like the adf was modified to support mouse control? Can't test it atm, but would be nice if someone that can read german could give a rough translation of what's that about.

nujack · 07 February 2016, 14:34

Thank you for the link.
Christian Haller was the developer of Sports and WorldwideHunting. He has created a version of Sports, which is playable with the mouse and he has provided an ADF-image and Video of this version on his page. It seems that the original version is only playable with the Golem-Lightgun.
Furthermore he gaves some technical information of developement. So he explained that he has created a special disk-format, where he was able to store more data than on the normal disk-format of AmigaOS. That format was also used as copy-protection:

Snip ->
Um die Daten des Games auf eine Diskette zu bringen, kam ein spezielles Diskettenformat zum Einsatz mit welchem pro Spur mehr Daten als mit dem Diskformat des AmigaOS geschrieben werden konnte. Dies diente gleichzeitig als Kopierschutz. Weil mit dem Diskcontroller des Amiga auf Bit-Ebene von der Diskette gelesen werden konnte, war es möglich jedes beliebige Format zu schreiben und zu lesen.
<- Snap

So that's the explaination why I can't access the data and create an ADF-image ...
I hope that a more skilled person(StingRay?) can have a look to the wwarp-image in the zone and decode the data and create an WHDLoad-image.

Attached are some images of the package and the disk.
BTW I own a KryoFlux but haven't used it very often.
The other disk with the game MasterOfTheTown is a dos-disk but has some Read-Errors when I try to access data under AmigaOS. I will see what I can do to secure the data. My time is very limited.

brolly · 08 February 2016, 01:25

Thanks for the info.

Let's hope you can manage to dump the games. If you own a Kryoflux then I'd start there to be honest, there are several members here that can help you out with it if you have any problems.

Another option if you don't have time would be for you to send the disks to someone that would dump them for you. Not sure if you are willing to do that of course, but there are also several reputable members in Germany that could do this.

Amiga1992 · 08 February 2016, 17:25

Yeah the Kryoflux would be your best bet.

brolly · 17 February 2016, 02:12

Any news on this?

jarre · 22 September 2016, 13:24

master of the town and Championship Shooting both fixed for mouse play is now in the zone

brolly · 23 September 2016, 10:25

Excellent, thanks a lot it's great to finally have these games preserved! Were those dumped by you jarre? I guess you don't own Worldwide Hunting?

Do you have any info about Master of the Town? I'm still intrigued by that game since I always thought Golem came with Champ. Shooting and Worldwide Hunting. Master of the Town isn't even listed at HOL.

jarre · 23 September 2016, 13:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by brolly

Excellent, thanks a lot it's great to finally have these games preserved! Were those dumped by you jarre? I guess you don't own Worldwide Hunting?

Do you have any info about Master of the Town? I'm still intrigued by that game since I always thought Golem came with Champ. Shooting and Worldwide Hunting. Master of the Town isn't even listed at HOL.

No worldwide hunting can't be dumped cause of the extra long data tracks on the floppydisk

Belgarath · 23 September 2016, 17:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by brolly

Do you have any info about Master of the Town? I'm still intrigued by that game since I always thought Golem came with Champ. Shooting and Worldwide Hunting. Master of the Town isn't even listed at HOL.

I'm not 100% sure it's even a Golem game, there are references to Golem in the graphics and it is a German game but is it really a Golem ware game?

One thing I'm 99% sure on though is it was made by Sphinx http://hol.abime.net/hol_search.php?N_ref_developer=567

brolly · 24 September 2016, 11:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by jarre

No worldwide hunting can't be dumped cause of the extra long data tracks on the floppydisk

Wouldn't it be dumpable with a kryoflux?

I have no idea as well Belgarath, never even heard about the game before being mentioned on this thread. Considering it only seems to work with a Golem it does seem to be "Golem ware", then again the disk picture posted by nujack is just a blank disk with no logo or lettering on it so perhaps the game was not supposed to see a public release and was later on replaced with Champ. Shooting. I'm just guessing.

Belgarath · 24 September 2016, 12:48

It does seem like an unfinished game, dying (or in the case the police catching you) doesn't seem to do much apart from send you back to level 1, but the game never ends no matter how many times this happens and your score never resets to zero.

jarre · 26 September 2016, 07:42

http://eab.abime.net/attachment.php?...1&d=1474889077
also a game called Gateway Y, someone out there with more info or screenshots from actual play?

jarre · 26 September 2016, 12:06

If KryoFlux IPF write support, can write it like an image file to a Hard-disk, there is a possiblity to make images of protected disks, then i don't know how to convert them to something like .ADF to make them read in winUAE. Secondly i don't know if that is working, maybe there has to be an update for winUAE to read those KryoFlux IPF

01 February 2015, 11:15	#1
brolly Registered User Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Lost Posts: 435	Golem Lightgun games Just noticed gameplay screenshots were recently added to the Championship Shooting page at EAB. Is there any chance these games have been found and dumped meanwhile and I'm not aware of it? Those screenshots must have came from somewhere Been searching for this one and Worldwide Hunting since ages.

07 February 2016, 14:34	#9
nujack Zone Friend Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Leipzig/Germany Age: 49 Posts: 458	Thank you for the link. Christian Haller was the developer of Sports and WorldwideHunting. He has created a version of Sports, which is playable with the mouse and he has provided an ADF-image and Video of this version on his page. It seems that the original version is only playable with the Golem-Lightgun. Furthermore he gaves some technical information of developement. So he explained that he has created a special disk-format, where he was able to store more data than on the normal disk-format of AmigaOS. That format was also used as copy-protection: Snip -> Um die Daten des Games auf eine Diskette zu bringen, kam ein spezielles Diskettenformat zum Einsatz mit welchem pro Spur mehr Daten als mit dem Diskformat des AmigaOS geschrieben werden konnte. Dies diente gleichzeitig als Kopierschutz. Weil mit dem Diskcontroller des Amiga auf Bit-Ebene von der Diskette gelesen werden konnte, war es möglich jedes beliebige Format zu schreiben und zu lesen. <- Snap So that's the explaination why I can't access the data and create an ADF-image ... I hope that a more skilled person(StingRay?) can have a look to the wwarp-image in the zone and decode the data and create an WHDLoad-image. Attached are some images of the package and the disk. BTW I own a KryoFlux but haven't used it very often. The other disk with the game MasterOfTheTown is a dos-disk but has some Read-Errors when I try to access data under AmigaOS. I will see what I can do to secure the data. My time is very limited. Attached Thumbnails

22 September 2016, 13:24	#13
jarre Registered User Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Deventer - Netherlands Posts: 599	master of the town master of the town and Championship Shooting both fixed for mouse play is now in the zone

26 September 2016, 07:42	#19
jarre Registered User Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Deventer - Netherlands Posts: 599	Gateway Y http://eab.abime.net/attachment.php?...1&d=1474889077 also a game called Gateway Y, someone out there with more info or screenshots from actual play? Last edited by jarre; 18 November 2020 at 13:12.

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06 February 2016, 21:52	#2
nujack Zone Friend Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Leipzig/Germany Age: 49 Posts: 458	I bought recently a golem Light gun with 2 games. One game is worldwide hunting the other one is called MasterOfTheTown, which isn't listed in HOL. WorldwideHunting actually doesn't start on my A1200 and the other one is freezing when you select the count of players. I'm not sure if the disks are okay but would be cool if someone could make an install for WHDLoad with Lightgun-support.

06 February 2016, 22:09	#4
nujack Zone Friend Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Leipzig/Germany Age: 49 Posts: 458	I can't start it actually => Reboot on A1200. I'll try to create a WWARP file, which a WHDLoad-patcher can check/verify.

06 February 2016, 22:39	#6
nujack Zone Friend Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Leipzig/Germany Age: 49 Posts: 458	No but it doesn't work with ADF-Blitzer for instance and I think it's related to the disk format. It's not shown as a dos-disk. BTW I have made an upload of the wwarp-image to the zone.

06 February 2016, 22:51	#7
s2325 Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Gargore Age: 43 Posts: 17,789	Maybe Master of The Town freeze after detecting joystick or mouse even if light gun is in other port.

07 February 2016, 12:28	#8
brolly Registered User Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Lost Posts: 435	These are great news, really hope the games can be finally preserved! Can you make an adf of MasterOfTheTown since you seem to be able to load that one? I'm very interested on that game now, because never heard of it before. I assume you don't have a Kryoflux to dump WWH if everything else fails? A WHDLoad working version would be great, but of course if a proper disk dump can be made that would be even better The revival of this thread made me search for these games again and I came across this site: http://amiga.haller.ch/index.php/ami...e-hunting-1991 The guy has an adf file available for download (for Championship Shooting?), everything is in german and google translation was pretty poor, but from the little that actually made some sense seems like the adf was modified to support mouse control? Can't test it atm, but would be nice if someone that can read german could give a rough translation of what's that about.

08 February 2016, 01:25	#10
brolly Registered User Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Lost Posts: 435	Thanks for the info. Let's hope you can manage to dump the games. If you own a Kryoflux then I'd start there to be honest, there are several members here that can help you out with it if you have any problems. Another option if you don't have time would be for you to send the disks to someone that would dump them for you. Not sure if you are willing to do that of course, but there are also several reputable members in Germany that could do this.

08 February 2016, 17:25	#11
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,644	Yeah the Kryoflux would be your best bet.

17 February 2016, 02:12	#12
brolly Registered User Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Lost Posts: 435	Any news on this?

23 September 2016, 10:25	#14
brolly Registered User Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Lost Posts: 435	Excellent, thanks a lot it's great to finally have these games preserved! Were those dumped by you jarre? I guess you don't own Worldwide Hunting? Do you have any info about Master of the Town? I'm still intrigued by that game since I always thought Golem came with Champ. Shooting and Worldwide Hunting. Master of the Town isn't even listed at HOL.

24 September 2016, 12:48	#18
Belgarath HOL Team Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Manchester Posts: 2,513	It does seem like an unfinished game, dying (or in the case the police catching you) doesn't seem to do much apart from send you back to level 1, but the game never ends no matter how many times this happens and your score never resets to zero.

26 September 2016, 12:06	#20
jarre Registered User Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Deventer - Netherlands Posts: 599	If KryoFlux IPF write support, can write it like an image file to a Hard-disk, there is a possiblity to make images of protected disks, then i don't know how to convert them to something like .ADF to make them read in winUAE. Secondly i don't know if that is working, maybe there has to be an update for winUAE to read those KryoFlux IPF

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