Monkey Business: First Commercial Amiga Game - It Exists! BELIEVE IT or NOT!!! - Page 11

TjLaZer · 15 October 2018, 06:36

When the 1000 was designed they wanted to keep the costs as low as possible so they decided to offer it with 256k against the desires of Jay Miner. He knew it was way too limited. The compromise was offering a “cheap” add on card to bring it up to 512k. Well they were pretty much sold together from the beginning as it was a much needed upgrade. When I bought my 1000 in early 1986, it came with the 256k card and the 1080 monitor as a bundle. Not an add on. It was not like the 500 with it’s optional 501 card.

ross · 18 October 2018, 10:19

Just noticed an s-s edited ADF by Retroplay into the Zone!, for a cleaned and more "authentic" look.
Rightly removed the beta status since it seems to work completely.
Until an original comes out, this is the version to archive.

DamienD · 18 October 2018, 11:42

Yup, noticed that too

Thanks Retroplay; much better, authentic looking startup text.

...will replace the one in my collection.

Retroplay · 18 October 2018, 14:46

Thanks chaps.

Fryguy (IIRC) upped a ctraw image, unfortunately knackered, of Delta Patrol a while back, so I just copied s-s from that and did a few edits.

Changed disk name too to match as well.

That old s-s Niwa added really did "stroke my hairs against the grain", so to speak.

fryguy · 18 October 2018, 18:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retroplay

Thanks chaps.

Fryguy (IIRC) upped a ctraw image, unfortunately knackered, of Delta Patrol a while back, so I just copied s-s from that and did a few edits.

Changed disk name too to match as well.

That old s-s Niwa added really did "stroke my hairs against the grain", so to speak.

Reminds me that i should scan the disk.

fryguy · 26 October 2018, 13:06

A bit off topic but i finally scanned the Delta Patrol disk. Unfortunately someone wrote text on the disklabel (but should be pretty simple to remove).
I don't own a scanner, so I had to scan it at work.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/FduwaYzYjgspBhA26

Going to upload them to HOL later.

DamienD · 26 October 2018, 13:46

...not perfect as I don't have Photoshop at work but: delta1.jpg

malko · 26 October 2018, 15:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamienD

...not perfect as I don't have Photoshop at work but: delta1.jpg

You are mastering "paint"

idrougge · 26 October 2018, 22:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamienD

Thanks Retroplay; much better, authentic looking startup text.

When you fix the scratches in an old painting, you don't try to make your painted-in parts inconspicuous, since that will only serve to confuse the art historians of the future.

DamienD · 27 October 2018, 00:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by idrougge

When you fix the scratches in an old painting, you don't try to make your painted-in parts inconspicuous, since that will only serve to confuse the art historians of the future.

It was a hacked, shite "texttro" that Retroplay amended... big deal idrougge?!?

Now it looks more authentic and is probably how the original was.

Anyway, nobody really cares if you don't like the re-modification!!! Others do (including ross who made this disk possible), so STFU with your snide comments...

Retroplay · 27 October 2018, 04:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by idrougge

When you fix the scratches in an old painting, you don't try to make your painted-in parts inconspicuous, since that will only serve to confuse the art historians of the future.

Well, I'm quite sure the "art historians" have tools, like we do, to view date/time stamps on the files modified.

Besides, it already has "inconspicuous painted-in parts".
If it weren't for Ross's sterling work restoring the damaged adf with bits from the ST version, we wouldn't have had a working Amiga version in the first place.

idrougge · 27 October 2018, 15:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamienD

It was a hacked, shite "texttro" that Retroplay amended... big deal idrougge?!?

It is obviously such a big deal to someone that they go to such lengths as replacing the "texttro" even though it never prevented someone from playing the game.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamienD

Now it looks more authentic and is probably how the original was.

That's exactly what I wrote, wasn't it? The next time someone is looking for this lost game, he will be fooled into believing he has found an original. At least note somewhere that it is a hack.

Historians are more interested in historical artefacts, including historical vandalism, than in modern-time attempts at "restoring" said artefacts.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamienD

Anyway, nobody really cares if you don't like the re-modification!!! Others do (including ross who made this disk possible), so STFU with your snide comments...

Ooer, cool down, will you. Where was I snide?

DamienD · 27 October 2018, 17:40

As per usual you directed your comments towards me; not the person that made the changes...

I know we don't get along; never have and never will... but think twice before doing the above again.

Quote:

Originally Posted by idrougge

Where was I snide?

Smartarse is more appropriate.

...besides, we are talking about modifying a bad "crack" that never worked in the first place with some text a bit more pleasing.

We are not altering a Picasso or a van Gogh!!!

niobyte · 30 October 2018, 21:23

Identified 'Monkey Business' and 'Golden Oldies' part of the Marauder 1.0 parameters list.

In this instance, it appears that each of these titles were 'potentially' available around 12/02/1986:

Code:

Parameter list for Marauder 1.0         2/12/86

     The following are current backup parameters
for the initial release of Marauder.  New titles
will be added to this list as they are available.

              Title           Tracker      Sentry  
DeluxePaint                     1      -1179784173
DeluxePaint Demo                1      -1178997533
Seven Cities of Gold            1      -1116082973
Archon                          1      -1178997533
One on One                      1      -1178997533
Financial Cookbook              1      -1179784173
Golden Oldies                   1      -1178997533
MaxiComm                        1      -1178997533
MaxiDesk                        1      -1178997533
Hacker                         100     -1178997533
MindShadow                     790     -1178997533
Borrowed Time                  790     -1178997533
Racter                          0           0
Monkey Business                 0           0

Unconfirmed parameters:
ArcticFox - 11/06/85            1      -1178997533
SkyFox - 11/06/85               1      -1178997533
Instant Music                   1      -1179784173

ONLY REGISTERED USERS MAY CALL FOR UPDATES!!!

Don_Adan · 30 October 2018, 21:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by niobyte

Identified 'Monkey Business' and 'Golden Oldies' part of the Marauder 1.0 parameters list.

In this instance, it appears that each of these titles were 'potentially' available around 12/02/1986:

Code:

Parameter list for Marauder 1.0         2/12/86

     The following are current backup parameters
for the initial release of Marauder.  New titles
will be added to this list as they are available.

              Title           Tracker      Sentry  
DeluxePaint                     1      -1179784173
DeluxePaint Demo                1      -1178997533
Seven Cities of Gold            1      -1116082973
Archon                          1      -1178997533
One on One                      1      -1178997533
Financial Cookbook              1      -1179784173
Golden Oldies                   1      -1178997533
MaxiComm                        1      -1178997533
MaxiDesk                        1      -1178997533
Hacker                         100     -1178997533
MindShadow                     790     -1178997533
Borrowed Time                  790     -1178997533
Racter                          0           0
Monkey Business                 0           0

Unconfirmed parameters:
ArcticFox - 11/06/85            1      -1178997533
SkyFox - 11/06/85               1      -1178997533
Instant Music                   1      -1179784173

ONLY REGISTERED USERS MAY CALL FOR UPDATES!!!

Very good/interesting list, on this list must be first Amiga commercial game mentioned

Hewitson · 31 October 2018, 14:20

For what it's worth I agree with idrougge. Removing that text from the s-s is like removing a cracktro. Extremely lame in my opinion.

ross · 31 October 2018, 14:47

I can not understand the problem at all.
In the Zone there are still the version containing the incriminated text (working and not working version).
Everyone can keep his favorite and live happily

(think of the redundancy that exists in TOSEC..)

Retroplay · 31 October 2018, 15:57

Neither can I, but you know.. there's always some you just can't please no matter how trivial the "problem" might be...
How about we just move on and leave it at that.

TjLaZer · 02 November 2018, 04:48

I think it’s ridiculous to take the time to sit here and ridicule the work done on making a nice clean working game since it was modified and hacked from the Atari ST version to begin with. Some of us don’t like stupid cracktro versions anyway. I usually do this myself on a disk that I make of a game. As was mentioned, the original found version is still out there for anyone to use, it wasn’t replaced! In fact, I uploaded one that has Delta patrol and Monkey Business on 1 disk in the zone.

Hewitson · 02 November 2018, 06:23

No one has ridiculed the work done by ross, I think his work on making the game complete was amazing.

Since you don't like "stupid cracktro versions" I assume you bought every single Amiga game you owned. Not that most cracktros would even work on a lame NTSC machine, anyway.

15 October 2018, 06:36	#201
TjLaZer Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Tacoma, WA USA Age: 52 Posts: 1,915	Monkey Business: First Commercial Amiga Game - It Exists! BELIEVE IT or NOT!!! When the 1000 was designed they wanted to keep the costs as low as possible so they decided to offer it with 256k against the desires of Jay Miner. He knew it was way too limited. The compromise was offering a “cheap” add on card to bring it up to 512k. Well they were pretty much sold together from the beginning as it was a much needed upgrade. When I bought my 1000 in early 1986, it came with the 256k card and the 1080 monitor as a bundle. Not an add on. It was not like the 500 with it’s optional 501 card.

26 October 2018, 13:06	#206
fryguy Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Skarabörg, Sweden Age: 44 Posts: 1,019	A bit off topic but i finally scanned the Delta Patrol disk. Unfortunately someone wrote text on the disklabel (but should be pretty simple to remove). I don't own a scanner, so I had to scan it at work. https://photos.app.goo.gl/FduwaYzYjgspBhA26 Going to upload them to HOL later. Last edited by fryguy; 26 October 2018 at 13:19.

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18 October 2018, 10:19	#202
ross Defendit numerus Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Crossing the Rubicon Age: 53 Posts: 4,468	Just noticed an s-s edited ADF by Retroplay into the Zone!, for a cleaned and more "authentic" look. Rightly removed the beta status since it seems to work completely. Until an original comes out, this is the version to archive.

18 October 2018, 11:42	#203
DamienD Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London / Sydney Age: 47 Posts: 20,420	Yup, noticed that too Thanks Retroplay; much better, authentic looking startup text. ...will replace the one in my collection.

18 October 2018, 14:46	#204
Retroplay Lemon Curry ? Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Denmark Age: 49 Posts: 4,079	Thanks chaps. Fryguy (IIRC) upped a ctraw image, unfortunately knackered, of Delta Patrol a while back, so I just copied s-s from that and did a few edits. Changed disk name too to match as well. That old s-s Niwa added really did "stroke my hairs against the grain", so to speak.

26 October 2018, 13:46	#207
DamienD Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London / Sydney Age: 47 Posts: 20,420	...not perfect as I don't have Photoshop at work but: delta1.jpg

31 October 2018, 14:20	#216
Hewitson Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Age: 41 Posts: 3,771	For what it's worth I agree with idrougge. Removing that text from the s-s is like removing a cracktro. Extremely lame in my opinion.

31 October 2018, 14:47	#217
ross Defendit numerus Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Crossing the Rubicon Age: 53 Posts: 4,468	I can not understand the problem at all. In the Zone there are still the version containing the incriminated text (working and not working version). Everyone can keep his favorite and live happily (think of the redundancy that exists in TOSEC..)

31 October 2018, 15:57	#218
Retroplay Lemon Curry ? Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Denmark Age: 49 Posts: 4,079	Neither can I, but you know.. there's always some you just can't please no matter how trivial the "problem" might be... How about we just move on and leave it at that.

02 November 2018, 04:48	#219
TjLaZer Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Tacoma, WA USA Age: 52 Posts: 1,915	I think it’s ridiculous to take the time to sit here and ridicule the work done on making a nice clean working game since it was modified and hacked from the Atari ST version to begin with. Some of us don’t like stupid cracktro versions anyway. I usually do this myself on a disk that I make of a game. As was mentioned, the original found version is still out there for anyone to use, it wasn’t replaced! In fact, I uploaded one that has Delta patrol and Monkey Business on 1 disk in the zone.

02 November 2018, 06:23	#220
Hewitson Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Age: 41 Posts: 3,771	No one has ridiculed the work done by ross, I think his work on making the game complete was amazing. Since you don't like "stupid cracktro versions" I assume you bought every single Amiga game you owned. Not that most cracktros would even work on a lame NTSC machine, anyway.

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