A4000D cf card adapter and cdrom

heALer · 22 November 2010, 13:12

Anyone know how to make a IDE to CF adapter working togehter with a cdrom? Have a 8GB Sandisk Ulra II and a IDE cd-rom.
I have OS3.1 installed and Kickstart 3.1. When I install IDEFix97 the installation hangs when it tries to mount the cdrom.
Someone sayed that IDEFix have problems with CF cards, but I haven't found any solution yet. Would be happy if anyone know how to configure this.
Thanks

thomas · 22 November 2010, 13:15

http://aminet.net/package/driver/media/IDEFix_patches

heALer · 23 November 2010, 01:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by thomas

http://aminet.net/package/driver/media/IDEFix_patches

Thank you! Will try that tomorrow

heALer · 23 November 2010, 11:41

Can't get it to work, in the installation of idefix it hangs when trying to find the cdrom, I can still move the mouse..
Should I apply the patch to the installations disk? Then install? Or after the installations? There comes the problem, because after the installation workbench wont boot up because it adds idefix to the Startup-Sequence..
Any good howto out there?

Mike55 · 23 November 2010, 11:57

I have the CF mounted on the internal IDE port. I have SCSI for my harddrives and CD-ROM. There are no hang issues with this arrangement. I have read that in some cases the CD card and peripherals can have a conflict if you try to mount them on the internal IDE port.

heALer · 23 November 2010, 12:09

okej, I have it on the internal IDE. Anyone here have CF-card + cdrom working together on the Internal IDE?

or
Do I need some IDE interface? If yes should this works?: http://www.ggsdata.se/Datorer/buddha.php
And is it worth 63 euro?

prowler · 23 November 2010, 23:37

Hi heALer,

I think your problem may be caused by the CF-IDE adapter you are using. Some adapters seem to prevent other devices from occupying the same channel, whether configured as Master or Slave, even when designed to accept only the one card.

If this is the case, you may solve the problem either by trying another adapter or by using an IDE splitter to derive primary and secondary channels from your IDE controller and separating the conflicting devices.

fitzsteve · 23 November 2010, 23:59

@heALer, the Buddha is ideal and is what I use on my A4000. I have CF card on the IDE that connects directly to the IDE header and I have the Buddha running my DVDRW.

But... €63 seems a bit high, I paid about £20 for mine but it was a mates rate from a fellow board member Lord Cosmic of Frog.

Steve.

Mozzerfan · 24 November 2010, 01:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by heALer

Can't get it to work, in the installation of idefix it hangs when trying to find the cdrom, I can still move the mouse..
Should I apply the patch to the installations disk? Then install? Or after the installations? There comes the problem, because after the installation workbench wont boot up because it adds idefix to the Startup-Sequence..
Any good howto out there?

The installation of idefix hangs, because the CF-card is set as removeable instead of fixed, and an unpatched idefix can't handle this.

You have to make a new installation-disk with the patched idefix.
Note that the patched idefix must be used with the ide-fix97 archive from aminet.

So to sum it up:
1.Download idefix97 and idefix-patch from aminet.
2.Download idefix final update from individual computers.
3. Apply the idefix-patch to the idefix final update.
4.Replace the idefix-command in the idefix97 archive with the patched idefix command.
5.If all went well, you now can install idefix97, andf it will find your CD-ROM.

rkauer · 24 November 2010, 05:42

http://www.vesalia.de/e_trueide.htm

heALer · 26 November 2010, 13:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mozzerfan

The installation of idefix hangs, because the CF-card is set as removeable instead of fixed, and an unpatched idefix can't handle this.

You have to make a new installation-disk with the patched idefix.
Note that the patched idefix must be used with the ide-fix97 archive from aminet.

So to sum it up:
1.Download idefix97 and idefix-patch from aminet.
2.Download idefix final update from individual computers.
3. Apply the idefix-patch to the idefix final update.
4.Replace the idefix-command in the idefix97 archive with the patched idefix command.
5.If all went well, you now can install idefix97, andf it will find your CD-ROM.

Thanks for your replies, I will try this in the weekend and see if I can get it to work.. I will tell you how it went..

stefcep2 · 27 November 2010, 04:26

I never got this to work and I tried the patched IDEFix and AsimCDFS on the internal IDE of the A4000.

In the end I ended up using FastATA4000, and it worked, with the CF and the CDROM on separate channels.

cpiac64 · 27 November 2010, 10:50

i use the cf 4 gb and cd-rom on my a1200 with software idefix, remember insert a bridge for select slave on cd-rom

heALer · 27 November 2010, 19:59

It's not working with the patch either, it hangs in the same way as before, so I guess I need to buy an IDE controller card, maybe a buddha flash.
Anyone know a cheap card that works?

fitzsteve · 27 November 2010, 21:26

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Commodore-Amig...item3362b34ae4

Mozzerfan · 27 November 2010, 22:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by heALer

It's not working with the patch either, it hangs in the same way as before, so I guess I need to buy an IDE controller card, maybe a buddha flash.
Anyone know a cheap card that works?

Can you please check the version information of idefix.
The patched version should be 119.19

(type 'version <path>:idefix' in a shell window.

heALer · 28 November 2010, 14:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mozzerfan

Can you please check the version information of idefix.
The patched version should be 119.19

(type 'version <path>:idefix' in a shell window.

This comes up, so I guess it's the right version...
IDE-max 119.19

Mozzerfan · 28 November 2010, 17:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by heALer

This comes up, so I guess it's the right version...
IDE-max 119.19

Hmm strange... Most people I know of successfully installed the patch.
Guess it doesn't work for cf-cards which are connected to the a4000 MB IDE.

You also could use scsi.device from os3.9. It doesn't suffer from this problem.

heALer · 19 January 2011, 14:28

Hi again.
Still not got it to work. But I have a question about this CF card I have, its a "Sandisk Ultra II Compact Flash 15 MB/s 8GB"
If I understand right the problem is that the CF card is recognized as removable device. But how do I make it Fixed? I tried to use atcfwchg.com on a PC, booting with a floppy with the file on, and typed atcfwchg /p /f
But I got Error #7, Is this card to new or to old for that tool?
The serial number of the card: BI090812902B

I was thinking of getting a Buddha Flash card, but I think I still will have the same problem with that, because it's removable?

thomas · 19 January 2011, 15:02

Before you make assumptions about the CF card you should try it without the CD drive and without IDE-fix/max.

The Buddha is Zorro2 only which limits it to not much higher speed than the internal IDE controller. You should consider a FastATA 4000 instead, it's Zorro3 and should be a bit faster.

22 November 2010, 13:12	#1
heALer Registered User Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Sweden Posts: 55	A4000D cf card adapter and cdrom Anyone know how to make a IDE to CF adapter working togehter with a cdrom? Have a 8GB Sandisk Ulra II and a IDE cd-rom. I have OS3.1 installed and Kickstart 3.1. When I install IDEFix97 the installation hangs when it tries to mount the cdrom. Someone sayed that IDEFix have problems with CF cards, but I haven't found any solution yet. Would be happy if anyone know how to configure this. Thanks

23 November 2010, 12:09	#6
heALer Registered User Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Sweden Posts: 55	okej, I have it on the internal IDE. Anyone here have CF-card + cdrom working together on the Internal IDE? or Do I need some IDE interface? If yes should this works?: http://www.ggsdata.se/Datorer/buddha.php And is it worth 63 euro? Last edited by heALer; 23 November 2010 at 12:35.

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22 November 2010, 13:15	#2
thomas Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 6,985	http://aminet.net/package/driver/media/IDEFix_patches

23 November 2010, 11:41	#4
heALer Registered User Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Sweden Posts: 55	Can't get it to work, in the installation of idefix it hangs when trying to find the cdrom, I can still move the mouse.. Should I apply the patch to the installations disk? Then install? Or after the installations? There comes the problem, because after the installation workbench wont boot up because it adds idefix to the Startup-Sequence.. Any good howto out there?

23 November 2010, 11:57	#5
Mike55 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Montgomery / USA Posts: 10	I have the CF mounted on the internal IDE port. I have SCSI for my harddrives and CD-ROM. There are no hang issues with this arrangement. I have read that in some cases the CD card and peripherals can have a conflict if you try to mount them on the internal IDE port.

23 November 2010, 23:37	#7
prowler Global Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sidcup, England Posts: 10,300	Hi heALer, I think your problem may be caused by the CF-IDE adapter you are using. Some adapters seem to prevent other devices from occupying the same channel, whether configured as Master or Slave, even when designed to accept only the one card. If this is the case, you may solve the problem either by trying another adapter or by using an IDE splitter to derive primary and secondary channels from your IDE controller and separating the conflicting devices.

23 November 2010, 23:59	#8
fitzsteve Professional slacker! Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Kent, UK Age: 44 Posts: 6,683	@heALer, the Buddha is ideal and is what I use on my A4000. I have CF card on the IDE that connects directly to the IDE header and I have the Buddha running my DVDRW. But... €63 seems a bit high, I paid about £20 for mine but it was a mates rate from a fellow board member Lord Cosmic of Frog. Steve.

24 November 2010, 05:42	#10
rkauer I hate potatos and shirts Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sao Leopoldo / Brazil Age: 58 Posts: 3,482	http://www.vesalia.de/e_trueide.htm

27 November 2010, 04:26	#12
stefcep2 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Melbourne/Australia Posts: 226	I never got this to work and I tried the patched IDEFix and AsimCDFS on the internal IDE of the A4000. In the end I ended up using FastATA4000, and it worked, with the CF and the CDROM on separate channels.

27 November 2010, 10:50	#13
cpiac64 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Italy Posts: 1,136	i use the cf 4 gb and cd-rom on my a1200 with software idefix, remember insert a bridge for select slave on cd-rom

27 November 2010, 19:59	#14
heALer Registered User Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Sweden Posts: 55	It's not working with the patch either, it hangs in the same way as before, so I guess I need to buy an IDE controller card, maybe a buddha flash. Anyone know a cheap card that works?

27 November 2010, 21:26	#15
fitzsteve Professional slacker! Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Kent, UK Age: 44 Posts: 6,683	http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Commodore-Amig...item3362b34ae4

19 January 2011, 14:28	#19
heALer Registered User Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Sweden Posts: 55	Hi again. Still not got it to work. But I have a question about this CF card I have, its a "Sandisk Ultra II Compact Flash 15 MB/s 8GB" If I understand right the problem is that the CF card is recognized as removable device. But how do I make it Fixed? I tried to use atcfwchg.com on a PC, booting with a floppy with the file on, and typed atcfwchg /p /f But I got Error #7, Is this card to new or to old for that tool? The serial number of the card: BI090812902B I was thinking of getting a Buddha Flash card, but I think I still will have the same problem with that, because it's removable?

19 January 2011, 15:02	#20
thomas Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 6,985	Before you make assumptions about the CF card you should try it without the CD drive and without IDE-fix/max. The Buddha is Zorro2 only which limits it to not much higher speed than the internal IDE controller. You should consider a FastATA 4000 instead, it's Zorro3 and should be a bit faster.

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