Why do you hate Cloanto so much? - Page 3

Zetr0 · 04 June 2009, 19:58

@Harrison

If I am not mistaken, the term "Own" refers to any licensed copy in the UK,

one thing that completely shocked me when I took up the law module is the part about contract law in the UK...

just because something is stated in the contract does not make it legal, and this includes any denial of statutory rights, as stated above.

in the course of the module we took apart a contracty by a leading mobile phone company and it was proven to shown atleast 4 direct infringments on statutory rights, i was completely shocked.

still am infact. I suppose the best thng to know is that LAW is about imterpertation and its implementations against a given statute. There will always be greay areas, and this is the domain of the lawyer...

hmmm perhaps I should talk with CFOU about changing my job and skill sets

Hungry Horace · 04 June 2009, 21:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd

Amiga Kickstarts should be free, just like the Atari TOS roms. You can't earn money with it. The Amiga is dead since ages. I prefer to support companies like Individual computers, or the stores like Vesalia, Amigakit, Protovision etc.

agreed. Amstrad did the right thing with the ZX Spectrum, and released the roms to the community, in turn creating a thriving emulation scene.

I have a real problem with Cloanto charging such money for something they had -nothing- to do with the creation or development of. Sell their nicely reporoduced videos of the Amiga company at a push, but kickstarts and UAE? seems a bit much to me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by IFW

Without adding anything to this argument I'd like to point out that I know at least one guy who was involved with developing the Amiga libraries as well as the hardware and he sure does not get any money from this...

the guy IFW refers to, sounds a lot more worthy of it.

prowler · 04 June 2009, 22:12

Why all the hatred of Cloanto?

If you don't think their products are worthwhile, then don't buy them!

Sensi · 04 June 2009, 22:19

I think its more a question of principles for a lot of people here.

Hungry Horace · 04 June 2009, 22:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by prowler

Why all the hatred of Cloanto?

if you spend life never being negative, nothing will ever improve.

Quote:

If you don't think their products are worthwhile, then don't buy them!

i'm pretty sure most people dont.

Retro-Nerd · 04 June 2009, 22:42

I'm only annoyed about this kind of ads in Amiga forums. This is definitive NOT the right audience. People here know it better and use alternative options like Gamebase/Mage. And Amiga/C64 Forever are surely no collector items.

andreas · 04 June 2009, 22:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by AmigaBoingBall

yeah. Amiga Forever is pricey - i mean the Premium Version which is $49.95 which is big money in todays economic depression

agree.

Quote:

a great idea. why not release a kickstart pack from 1.3 to 3.1 without the frills

Yes, the 1000 times aforementioned "light version" omitting all the programs you could most easily get off Aminet & Co.
All Kickstarts, all workbenches, AmigaExplorer - that's all.
This idea was pondered upon about 3 years ago, though - it's not new at all.

See here!

But to this day, Cloanto hasn't reacted on this.
That's why I hate this "bordel". (I prefer the French word here)

prowler · 04 June 2009, 22:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by MethodGit

If a Kickstart pack does get made, would it be encryption-free?

All the AF ROM images can be decrypted with WinUAE and a ROM grabber plus the keyfile (supplied).

jabsy · 05 June 2009, 14:12

AF has its place, but its not for most folks here. Nerds like us own enough hardware to justify downloading a romset from the Pirate Bay and using the 1.3/3.1 roms without guilt.

I'd have 1 x 1.2 A500, a few 1.3 A500's, a 2.04 A600, a 3.0 A1200, a 3.1 A1200, A2000 and A4000 plus a CD32 and spare motherboard. About the only roms I dont legally own are the A3000 roms and the A4000T roms. I'd be stuffed if I could be bothered copying my own roms when I could download them and save the time, especially if I was legally entitled to have images of them.

But for those who dont own the hardware or the WB install disk, it's a nice easy to use package to buy and install easily. Good luck to them, but I have no need to give them any of my money.

Rixa · 05 June 2009, 15:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by prowler

All the AF ROM images can be decrypted with WinUAE and a ROM grabber plus the keyfile (supplied).

My experience was that the ROM images thus obtained differed from original by two bytes or so, and wouldn't boot on the real hardware. I didn't research further.

Actually, considering the topic of the thread, I think that very thing is what I hate most about Cloanto.

AmigaBoingBall · 05 June 2009, 19:16

As far as you all know. I will always support Cloanto and the Amiga Forever series as well as the C64 Forever. You don't have to buy it.
It's America (well some of you don't live in the US) and its a free country.

Anyways...

But personally, Cloanto poured their blood, sweat, tears to create an outstanding package of preservation. That's just my own personal opinion.

Well I'm the right customer for Amiga Forever because I never owned a real Amiga and I'm not an Ebay buyer. I was exposed to the Amiga in 2003 via Amiga Forever 3.0. You can call me part of the Emulation generation. I'm not a hardware purist, but I do have respect for the original Amiga developers and contributors. I don't hate Cloanto, I breathe, Sleep, and Eat Cloanto. I wouldn't be happy without Amiga Forever.

TCD · 05 June 2009, 19:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by AmigaBoingBall

Let's keep it clean.

Er, right...
(may the flamewar commence...)

Retro-Nerd · 05 June 2009, 19:20

What did they preserve exactly?

AmigaBoingBall · 05 June 2009, 19:35

@ Retro Nerd

lol. I was looking at your Avatar and reading your question.

very funny. I love pessimists.

Retro-Nerd · 05 June 2009, 19:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by AmigaBoingBall

@ Retro Nerd

lol. I was looking at your Avatar and reading your question.

very funny. I love pessimists.

And i have fun with your "funny" posts.

If we are talk about Amiga preservation, that's the way:

The emulator:

http://www.winuae.net/

The games:

http://www.softpres.org/?id=home

AmigaBoingBall · 05 June 2009, 19:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd

And i have fun with your "funny" posts.

If we are talk about Amiga preservation, that's the way:

The emulator:

http://www.winuae.net/

The games:

http://www.softpres.org/?id=home

eh. I think your luring me away from Cloanto?
I just love their package design on Amiga Forever and also C64 Forever.
That's brand loyalty there. I do want a flower tattoo.

TCD · 05 June 2009, 19:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by AmigaBoingBall

That's brand loyalty there. I do want a flower tattoo.

Yes, I think we already got that you are a fanboi

AmigaBoingBall · 05 June 2009, 19:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheCyberDruid

Yes, I think we already got that you are a fanboi

NICE!

Shoonay · 05 June 2009, 19:58

Where would the Amiga be without fanboiz?

TCD · 05 June 2009, 20:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shoonay

Where would the Amiga be without fanboiz?

Cloanto != Amiga (read : not equals)

04 June 2009, 22:42	#46
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,449	I'm only annoyed about this kind of ads in Amiga forums. This is definitive NOT the right audience. People here know it better and use alternative options like Gamebase/Mage. And Amiga/C64 Forever are surely no collector items. Last edited by Retro-Nerd; 04 June 2009 at 22:51.

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04 June 2009, 19:58	#41
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	@Harrison If I am not mistaken, the term "Own" refers to any licensed copy in the UK, one thing that completely shocked me when I took up the law module is the part about contract law in the UK... just because something is stated in the contract does not make it legal, and this includes any denial of statutory rights, as stated above. in the course of the module we took apart a contracty by a leading mobile phone company and it was proven to shown atleast 4 direct infringments on statutory rights, i was completely shocked. still am infact. I suppose the best thng to know is that LAW is about imterpertation and its implementations against a given statute. There will always be greay areas, and this is the domain of the lawyer... hmmm perhaps I should talk with CFOU about changing my job and skill sets

04 June 2009, 22:12	#43
prowler Global Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sidcup, England Posts: 10,300	Why all the hatred of Cloanto? If you don't think their products are worthwhile, then don't buy them!

04 June 2009, 22:19	#44
Sensi Unregistered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 1,643	I think its more a question of principles for a lot of people here.

05 June 2009, 14:12	#49
jabsy Yeah Hup! Join Date: May 2006 Location: Australia Age: 54 Posts: 345	AF has its place, but its not for most folks here. Nerds like us own enough hardware to justify downloading a romset from the Pirate Bay and using the 1.3/3.1 roms without guilt. I'd have 1 x 1.2 A500, a few 1.3 A500's, a 2.04 A600, a 3.0 A1200, a 3.1 A1200, A2000 and A4000 plus a CD32 and spare motherboard. About the only roms I dont legally own are the A3000 roms and the A4000T roms. I'd be stuffed if I could be bothered copying my own roms when I could download them and save the time, especially if I was legally entitled to have images of them. But for those who dont own the hardware or the WB install disk, it's a nice easy to use package to buy and install easily. Good luck to them, but I have no need to give them any of my money.

05 June 2009, 19:16	#51
AmigaBoingBall Registered User Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Sunnyside Up Posts: 36	As far as you all know. I will always support Cloanto and the Amiga Forever series as well as the C64 Forever. You don't have to buy it. It's America (well some of you don't live in the US) and its a free country. Anyways... But personally, Cloanto poured their blood, sweat, tears to create an outstanding package of preservation. That's just my own personal opinion. Well I'm the right customer for Amiga Forever because I never owned a real Amiga and I'm not an Ebay buyer. I was exposed to the Amiga in 2003 via Amiga Forever 3.0. You can call me part of the Emulation generation. I'm not a hardware purist, but I do have respect for the original Amiga developers and contributors. I don't hate Cloanto, I breathe, Sleep, and Eat Cloanto. I wouldn't be happy without Amiga Forever.

05 June 2009, 19:20	#53
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,449	What did they preserve exactly?

05 June 2009, 19:35	#54
AmigaBoingBall Registered User Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Sunnyside Up Posts: 36	@ Retro Nerd lol. I was looking at your Avatar and reading your question. very funny. I love pessimists.

05 June 2009, 19:58	#59
Shoonay Global Caturator Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Porando Age: 43 Posts: 6,107	Where would the Amiga be without fanboiz?

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