Captured Dreams from TBL problems

Tony Landais · 23 April 2003, 15:01

I try for ages with each new version of WinUAE to watch CD from TBL and always same "#!!@$%"!" black screen...

Is anybody able to watch it?
Any suggestion about the config?

andreas · 23 April 2003, 16:40

Uh oh...

...AGA and 68030 ... congratulations ...

It's always a developer's lucky day when he has to fix such "subtle" issues

(with a fat

@ Toni)

Echo · 23 April 2003, 17:16

It's a shame, because I've seen this on my real A1200 a few times, and some areas could use a boost in the CPU department. But as you said, it doesn't want to work at all in WinUAE.

Tony Landais · 23 April 2003, 17:23

The demo works fine on my 68030, 68040 and 68060 amigas.
Does it work on 68020?

Amiga1992 · 23 April 2003, 17:28

I dont think it works on 020s.

Anywya, this one's a bitch to run in my real A1200. Only way to make it run without it crashing, is by loading it first thing when you turn on the machine. If you do it after loading some other stuff, it crashes. Seems like it relies in a completely CLEAN memory.

Great demo

Echo · 23 April 2003, 17:55

Quote:

Originally posted by Akira
I dont think it works on 020s.

Anywya, this one's a bitch to run in my real A1200. Only way to make it run without it crashing, is by loading it first thing when you turn on the machine. If you do it after loading some other stuff, it crashes. Seems like it relies in a completely CLEAN memory.

Great demo

lol, I'm quite used to that. Disable startup-sequence and off one goes to the relevant path. For a lot of those big demos in fact.

I should get some more memory, currently 2mb chip + 8mb fast.

Toni Wilen · 23 April 2003, 17:58

Try copying demo files to RAM: (this time the problem appears to be caused by bug in demo instead of UAE filesystem because all UAE filesystem call parameters and return codes look fine)

Tony Landais · 23 April 2003, 18:07

Bloody hell it works in RAM: !!!!!

So it comes a question now...

Does WinUAE should manage that kind of bugs ?

Tony Landais · 23 April 2003, 18:09

oops, I spoke too fast...

the demo crashs at the dolphin part.

Tony Landais · 23 April 2003, 18:35

I tried different configuration but always the same thing...

The music still playing but screen freeze.
At least I have the beguining

Amiga1992 · 23 April 2003, 19:32

Quote:

Originally posted by Tony Landais
I tried different configuration but always the same thing...
The music still playing but screen freeze.
At least I have the beguining

This is what happens in my Amiga.

Try loading it up first thing after booting up WinUAE. Might do the trick.

I never tried copying it to RAM: tough. I only have 32MB , goddarnit

Tony Landais · 23 April 2003, 19:37

I did

Toni Wilen · 23 April 2003, 19:45

I found the reason for freeze: demo disables some interrupts and one of the disabled interrupts (EXTER) is needed by UAE to jump between native and m68k code. After disabling the interrupts demo tries to load data files from filesystem which of course stops responding..

No EXTER-interrupt -> filesystem, bsdsocket etc.. all "expansion" devices stop working correctly.

Fortunately (?) there is easy fix, changing interrupt from level 6 to level 2 which is not disabled because A1200/4000 IDE-hardware uses level 2 interrupt and also because there will be (I am absolute sure...) other buggy HD installable demos or games..

Toni Wilen · 23 April 2003, 20:02

I knew there was other buggy games that disabled EXTER-interrupt. Old Timer also works now!

Tony Landais · 23 April 2003, 20:51

Hehe

the best news of the day.

Any idea about the freezing during the demo?

I start from a fresh boot, choose boot with no startup

copy my files with
copy #? ram:
and execute...
It can't be cleaner ?

Amiga1992 · 24 April 2003, 03:29

unclean it a bit: run setpatch before booting the demo.

see what happens.

(procedure would be:

* boot Amiga
* boot without startup-sequence
* run setpatch
* run demo
*pray

)

Tony Landais · 24 April 2003, 10:54

On Amiga the demo refuse to start without Setpatch, but not on WinUAE.

Anyway I tried with setpatch on UAE but the problem is still the same :/

Toni Wilen · 24 April 2003, 15:29

Disassembly from CD-demo:

Code:

1005137c 2039 00df f104           MOVE.L $00dff104,D0
10051382 0280 0001 ff00           AND.L #$0001ff00,D0
10051388 0c80 0001 1800           CMP.L #$00011800,D0
1005138e 66ec                     BNE.B #$ffffffec == 1005137c
10051390 41f9 1028 48bc           LEA.L $102848bc,A0

Uh, oh. first line should be most likely MOVE.L $dff004,d0 (read hpos and vpos, not read from write-only BPLCON2 and BPLCON3..) This probably works on real Amigas by accident.

Reading from write-only/non-existing registers return something interesting depending on many things like chipset type, state of other dma channels etc... WinUAE emulates this about 90% correctly only in 68000/ECS Agnus-mode..

Easy workaround: wait until demo freezes, press SHIFT+F12 (in windowed mode), type d<return>, check address after BNE.B-line. type g <address><return> (10051390 in this example) and demo continues.

Tony Landais · 24 April 2003, 18:55

Hehe it works

here

Toni Wilen · 26 April 2003, 18:45

I added hack that fixes dolphin part crash and also other programs with similar bug. (for example Codertrash and unpatched Industrial Fudge - Director's Cut)

It may or may not be included in R7 because it can cause some side-effects, more testing needed..

23 April 2003, 15:01	#1
Tony Landais Zone Friend Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: uk Posts: 426	Captured Dreams from TBL problems I try for ages with each new version of WinUAE to watch CD from TBL and always same "#!!@$%"!" black screen... Is anybody able to watch it? Any suggestion about the config?

23 April 2003, 16:40	#2
andreas Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Germany Age: 50 Posts: 5,857	Uh oh... ...AGA and 68030 ... congratulations ... It's always a developer's lucky day when he has to fix such "subtle" issues (with a fat @ Toni) Last edited by andreas; 23 April 2003 at 21:17.

23 April 2003, 18:35	#10
Tony Landais Zone Friend Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: uk Posts: 426	I tried different configuration but always the same thing... The music still playing but screen freeze. At least I have the beguining Attached Thumbnails

24 April 2003, 15:29	#18
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,515	Disassembly from CD-demo: Code: 1005137c 2039 00df f104 MOVE.L $00dff104,D0 10051382 0280 0001 ff00 AND.L #$0001ff00,D0 10051388 0c80 0001 1800 CMP.L #$00011800,D0 1005138e 66ec BNE.B #$ffffffec == 1005137c 10051390 41f9 1028 48bc LEA.L $102848bc,A0 Uh, oh. first line should be most likely MOVE.L $dff004,d0 (read hpos and vpos, not read from write-only BPLCON2 and BPLCON3..) This probably works on real Amigas by accident. Reading from write-only/non-existing registers return something interesting depending on many things like chipset type, state of other dma channels etc... WinUAE emulates this about 90% correctly only in 68000/ECS Agnus-mode.. Easy workaround: wait until demo freezes, press SHIFT+F12 (in windowed mode), type d<return>, check address after BNE.B-line. type g <address><return> (10051390 in this example) and demo continues.

26 April 2003, 18:45	#20
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,515	I added hack that fixes dolphin part crash and also other programs with similar bug. (for example Codertrash and unpatched Industrial Fudge - Director's Cut) It may or may not be included in R7 because it can cause some side-effects, more testing needed.. Last edited by Toni Wilen; 26 April 2003 at 18:51.

23 April 2003, 17:16	#3
Echo Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: South-West Wales Posts: 382	It's a shame, because I've seen this on my real A1200 a few times, and some areas could use a boost in the CPU department. But as you said, it doesn't want to work at all in WinUAE.

23 April 2003, 17:23	#4
Tony Landais Zone Friend Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: uk Posts: 426	The demo works fine on my 68030, 68040 and 68060 amigas. Does it work on 68020?

23 April 2003, 17:28	#5
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,645	I dont think it works on 020s. Anywya, this one's a bitch to run in my real A1200. Only way to make it run without it crashing, is by loading it first thing when you turn on the machine. If you do it after loading some other stuff, it crashes. Seems like it relies in a completely CLEAN memory. Great demo

23 April 2003, 17:58	#7
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,515	Try copying demo files to RAM: (this time the problem appears to be caused by bug in demo instead of UAE filesystem because all UAE filesystem call parameters and return codes look fine)

23 April 2003, 18:07	#8
Tony Landais Zone Friend Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: uk Posts: 426	Bloody hell it works in RAM: !!!!! So it comes a question now... Does WinUAE should manage that kind of bugs ?

23 April 2003, 18:09	#9
Tony Landais Zone Friend Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: uk Posts: 426	oops, I spoke too fast... the demo crashs at the dolphin part.

23 April 2003, 19:37	#12
Tony Landais Zone Friend Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: uk Posts: 426	I did

23 April 2003, 19:45	#13
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,515	I found the reason for freeze: demo disables some interrupts and one of the disabled interrupts (EXTER) is needed by UAE to jump between native and m68k code. After disabling the interrupts demo tries to load data files from filesystem which of course stops responding.. No EXTER-interrupt -> filesystem, bsdsocket etc.. all "expansion" devices stop working correctly. Fortunately (?) there is easy fix, changing interrupt from level 6 to level 2 which is not disabled because A1200/4000 IDE-hardware uses level 2 interrupt and also because there will be (I am absolute sure...) other buggy HD installable demos or games..

23 April 2003, 20:02	#14
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,515	I knew there was other buggy games that disabled EXTER-interrupt. Old Timer also works now!

23 April 2003, 20:51	#15
Tony Landais Zone Friend Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: uk Posts: 426	Hehe the best news of the day. Any idea about the freezing during the demo? I start from a fresh boot, choose boot with no startup copy my files with copy #? ram: and execute... It can't be cleaner ?

24 April 2003, 03:29	#16
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,645	unclean it a bit: run setpatch before booting the demo. see what happens. (procedure would be: * boot Amiga * boot without startup-sequence * run setpatch * run demo *pray )

24 April 2003, 10:54	#17
Tony Landais Zone Friend Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: uk Posts: 426	On Amiga the demo refuse to start without Setpatch, but not on WinUAE. Anyway I tried with setpatch on UAE but the problem is still the same :/

24 April 2003, 18:55	#19
Tony Landais Zone Friend Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: uk Posts: 426	Hehe it works here

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