Indivision OCS/ECS under development

kipper2k · 31 March 2009, 00:48

Hi all,

I was trolling http://icomp.de/indexe.htm and noticed the following news...

Indivision ECS under development
The next version of our popular flickerfixer will be made for Amiga models with OCS- and ECS-chipset. Since the older chipsets only work with a colour depth of 12 bits (4096 colours), we're expecting a slightly lower price for this model. It is meant to work with the Amiga models A500, A600(**), A1000, A2000 and A3000. All known technical data will presumably be in Indivision ECS: All screenmodes will be output with more than 60Hz, and the S-Hires modes of the ECS chipset will be displayed in full resolution. Indivision ECS will be installed on the socket of the Denise chip of the target computer. We're expecting the first prototype in about three months.

Anyone got any inside info on this as regards performance etc ? The news item was dated 28.3.09

My God!!, i am gonna be broke for the rest of my life... so weak... so weakkk

amigakit.com · 31 March 2009, 00:55

Good news.

If you wish to use the separate forthcoming product, Indivision ECS on your Amiga 600, you will need the A603 Memory Expansion first to connect it to the A600.

Amiga1992 · 31 March 2009, 01:33

I'm only looking forward to the CHAMELEON CARTRIDGE for the C64...
That shit is NEXT LEVEL!

rkauer · 31 March 2009, 05:39

http://www.jschoenfeld.com/news/news137_e.htm

alexh · 31 March 2009, 09:39

Any photo's of the unit yet?

I'm curious to see how it would work in conjunction with the A603.

The digital video data lines are not available on the A600 trapdoor memory expansion connector, so how does it work?

pmc · 31 March 2009, 12:26

@ Akira. Seconded. I want a Chameleon too. Like a 1541 Ultimate but with extras - should be cool.

alexh · 31 March 2009, 14:06

Any price on the Indivision ECS scandoubler?

kipper2k · 31 March 2009, 14:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexh

Any photo's of the unit yet?

I'm curious to see how it would work in conjunction with the A603.

The digital video data lines are not available on the A600 trapdoor memory expansion connector, so how does it work?

Hmm, mabbe it has an expansion cable that goes to Denise, which i'm assuming is not the same DIP package as the 500 (Just a guess)

keropi · 31 March 2009, 14:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by kipper2k

Hmm, mabbe it has an expansion cable that goes to Denise, which i'm assuming is not the same DIP package as the 500 (Just a guess)

I think that too , so there is only one indivision ECS version....

alexh · 31 March 2009, 15:03

Latest thinking (posts by Jens, Toni Wilen, myself) is the Indivision ECS is not a standard scandoubler but might have its own re-implemented Denise inside the FPGA.

Easily do-able given the availability of MiniMig source code and the fact that Jens announced his own re-implementation of ECS in the form of Clone-A.

I wonder how good (compatible) it is?

kipper2k · 31 March 2009, 17:08

So i guess this begs the question,

is this going to be an "all in one" A500/a600 piece of kit with mabbe an optional adapter or will you have to buy one for both the A500 and A600 ?. It appears to be touted as for both.

alexh · 31 March 2009, 19:06

There will be only one flavour of Indivision ECS but you will need an A603 trapdoor RAM expansion to use it with A600.

They are internal so if you have both an A500 and an A600 and do not want to have to keep unscrewing your case to swap them over then yes you will need two!

rave · 31 March 2009, 23:11

Damn damn damn, yet another thing to save up for!!!
I was all like coooool when indivision AGA came out, just when I nearly had enough for it the CD32 version comes out, now this one! I can't not buy it, the A600 was and still is my favourite machine despite it's lower spec!!!

chiark · 31 March 2009, 23:23

Interesting observation, Alexh... Very interesting, particularly if they're starting to reimplement stuff in FPGA.

(Off topic: any news on clone-A?)

Zetr0 · 01 April 2009, 00:03

this is awesome cool!

adolescent · 01 April 2009, 13:02

I haven't seen photos yet. But, I read that to use on the A603 you need to lose the internal floppy. Hopefully someone can find a hack/fix for this.

TheCorfiot · 01 April 2009, 13:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by adolescent

I haven't seen photos yet. But, I read that to use on the A603 you need to lose the internal floppy. Hopefully someone can find a hack/fix for this.

Can I ask where you read this and maybe post a linky

Many Thanks
TC

keropi · 01 April 2009, 14:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheCorfiot

Can I ask where you read this and maybe post a linky

Many Thanks
TC

jens wrote that on the amiga.org news item comments IIRC

TheCorfiot · 01 April 2009, 14:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by keropi

jens wrote that on the amiga.org news item comments IIRC

Cheers my friend, I'll have a good read of that.

I take it if it's the case then the Indivision ECS will be supplied with a Floppy port ignore dongle too then.

TC

kipper2k · 01 April 2009, 14:29

That would suck to lose the internal floppy. i cant see a hack/fix cos if it could be made with the floppy intact then it probably would be.

31 March 2009, 00:48	#1
kipper2k Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Thunder Bay, Canada Posts: 4,323	Indivision OCS/ECS under development Hi all, I was trolling http://icomp.de/indexe.htm and noticed the following news... Indivision ECS under development The next version of our popular flickerfixer will be made for Amiga models with OCS- and ECS-chipset. Since the older chipsets only work with a colour depth of 12 bits (4096 colours), we're expecting a slightly lower price for this model. It is meant to work with the Amiga models A500, A600(**), A1000, A2000 and A3000. All known technical data will presumably be in Indivision ECS: All screenmodes will be output with more than 60Hz, and the S-Hires modes of the ECS chipset will be displayed in full resolution. Indivision ECS will be installed on the socket of the Denise chip of the target computer. We're expecting the first prototype in about three months. Anyone got any inside info on this as regards performance etc ? The news item was dated 28.3.09 My God!!, i am gonna be broke for the rest of my life... so weak... so weakkk

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31 March 2009, 00:55	#2
amigakit.com Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: www.amigakit.com Posts: 2,015	Good news. If you wish to use the separate forthcoming product, Indivision ECS on your Amiga 600, you will need the A603 Memory Expansion first to connect it to the A600.

31 March 2009, 01:33	#3
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,645	I'm only looking forward to the CHAMELEON CARTRIDGE for the C64... That shit is NEXT LEVEL!

31 March 2009, 05:39	#4
rkauer I hate potatos and shirts Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sao Leopoldo / Brazil Age: 58 Posts: 3,482	http://www.jschoenfeld.com/news/news137_e.htm

31 March 2009, 09:39	#5
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,337	Any photo's of the unit yet? I'm curious to see how it would work in conjunction with the A603. The digital video data lines are not available on the A600 trapdoor memory expansion connector, so how does it work?

31 March 2009, 12:26	#6
pmc gone Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: completely gone Posts: 1,596	@ Akira. Seconded. I want a Chameleon too. Like a 1541 Ultimate but with extras - should be cool.

31 March 2009, 14:06	#7
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,337	Any price on the Indivision ECS scandoubler?

31 March 2009, 15:03	#10
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,337	Latest thinking (posts by Jens, Toni Wilen, myself) is the Indivision ECS is not a standard scandoubler but might have its own re-implemented Denise inside the FPGA. Easily do-able given the availability of MiniMig source code and the fact that Jens announced his own re-implementation of ECS in the form of Clone-A. I wonder how good (compatible) it is?

31 March 2009, 17:08	#11
kipper2k Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Thunder Bay, Canada Posts: 4,323	So i guess this begs the question, is this going to be an "all in one" A500/a600 piece of kit with mabbe an optional adapter or will you have to buy one for both the A500 and A600 ?. It appears to be touted as for both.

31 March 2009, 19:06	#12
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,337	There will be only one flavour of Indivision ECS but you will need an A603 trapdoor RAM expansion to use it with A600. They are internal so if you have both an A500 and an A600 and do not want to have to keep unscrewing your case to swap them over then yes you will need two!

31 March 2009, 23:11	#13
rave Amiga's made me who I am. Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Nottingham UK Age: 44 Posts: 178	Damn damn damn, yet another thing to save up for!!! I was all like coooool when indivision AGA came out, just when I nearly had enough for it the CD32 version comes out, now this one! I can't not buy it, the A600 was and still is my favourite machine despite it's lower spec!!!

31 March 2009, 23:23	#14
chiark Needs a life Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: England Posts: 1,707	Interesting observation, Alexh... Very interesting, particularly if they're starting to reimplement stuff in FPGA. (Off topic: any news on clone-A?)

01 April 2009, 00:03	#15
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	this is awesome cool!

01 April 2009, 13:02	#16
adolescent Powered by Motorola Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Redondo Beach, CA Age: 52 Posts: 1,065	I haven't seen photos yet. But, I read that to use on the A603 you need to lose the internal floppy. Hopefully someone can find a hack/fix for this.

01 April 2009, 14:29	#20
kipper2k Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Thunder Bay, Canada Posts: 4,323	That would suck to lose the internal floppy. i cant see a hack/fix cos if it could be made with the floppy intact then it probably would be.

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