Scorpion Engine - Page 22

earok · 09 December 2020, 04:06

Great! I'll let you know when I've got a build for you to try.

Transition is planned but it isn't there yet. I haven't quite decided whether to support different transitions from idle-to-walking and walking-to-idle, or just make it so that the walking-to-idle transitions are just idle-to-walking reversed.

Mixel · 09 December 2020, 09:11

Exciting!

I’d be pleased with either option..

but the second sounds a bit more flexible.. For walking it makes sense to reverse them but for games with fast running particularly it would be nice to have you sort of skid, etc?

I need to look into how animation scripting works but how doable is “I’m standing really close to an edge so I wobble precariously” type stuff? (Not for my project probably, but someone probably needs it.)

earok · 09 December 2020, 10:30

Good point! I'll have to keep thinking about it.

Regarding standing close to edge, here's how I would approach it personally with the current engine (no guarantee this would work in practice):
- Create a special block for triggering that specific animation. Probably separate ones for left/right
- Place those blocks a tile or two to the left or right of either edge.
- Make it so the collision event for those blocks is that it plays the wobble animation. (some slight code complications here in regards to make it only trigger when you're standing and not jumping/falling, also you only want the animation to start if it isn't already playing, but those should be able to be handled)

If the player's collision width was slightly wider than sixteen pixels, you could make a one tile gap between an edge and the special animation trigger block. This way, it'd only trigger when you were right on the edge. Otherwise, if the player had a really narrow collision width, you could put it closer.

Psst.. can I post that latest video of yours to the Scorpion facebook page?

Mixel · 09 December 2020, 10:45

Ah! That sounds like a good way to do it.. I'm almost tempted to try it but it's.. very low down the list of things I should be implementing, if at all.

And yes - generally, moving forward it's safe to assume you can post anything I post about it anywhere at all.

(you made the difficult parts anyway, lol, only seems fair) - at some point I'm going to start sharing things selectively to avoid spoilers but that's a looong.. looooooooooong way off.
...

Oh no prepare for the noobiest of questions.. . (ed: i fixed the dialog problem!)

Feature request(/"am i missing something again?") tiime! Some easy way of doing ducking animations(?), similar to how SOTB, Turrican, Leander deal with it?

I feel like I’m railroading your thread with petty support reqs when this is really more of a project update thread.

earok · 22 December 2020, 09:02

Quick update:

I'm getting closer to launching the Unity version of the editor, along with the new sample game (will probably launch the game in it's own thread as it's a complete game, albeit a very short one). I've been giving Mixel alpha versions of the editor and he's been helpful with highlighting engine bugs, so I'm feeling pretty confident about finally getting the Unity Editor out there, I may aim for a Christmas day release.

After that, I'll take another look at the Backbone importer to get the port of TOG finished.

Also, check out Mixel's character combat. Technically, Scorpion doesn't support ducking characters out of the box (yet), but as with most things it can be done with clever use of the 'codeblocks' system.

viddi · 22 December 2020, 11:24

nikosidis · 22 December 2020, 12:24

Very nice

Looking forward to this. Great job!

earok · 24 December 2020, 22:54

Cheers

https://github.com/earok/scorpion-ed...ive/master.zip

Uploaded the Unity version of the editor (as an standard exe, a Unity install is not required), along with the complete project source for Super Go Down The Hole.

Merry Christmas.

Video covering the ins-and-outs of the new Editor.

[ Show youtube player ]

Mixel · 28 December 2020, 16:06

Congrats on this launch I'm absolutely loving working in the Unity build.. (though Im in asset creation mode at the moment)

One dumb question.. If I accidentally selected the wrong .exe when setting up the "Run in FS-UAE" button, how do I re-select the right .exe?

Also is there not a way to view standardlibrary.codeblock in the editor anymore? I used that to figure out a few things before.

earok · 28 December 2020, 23:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mixel

Congrats on this launch I'm absolutely loving working in the Unity build.. (though Im in asset creation mode at the moment)

One dumb question.. If I accidentally selected the wrong .exe when setting up the "Run in FS-UAE" button, how do I re-select the right .exe?

Also is there not a way to view standardlibrary.codeblock in the editor anymore? I used that to figure out a few things before.

Great!

I do need to do a proper solution for it but just renaming the wrong executable (or the folder that it's in, or even moving the folder) should be enough to force it to reselect when you click the button next.

There isn't currently a way to view the standardlibrary, I should add that back in.

breech · 29 December 2020, 04:05

The new app looks great, just needs some creative people to try it out

earok · 29 December 2020, 08:39

Well.. creative people are starting to try it out! The past few weeks there's been an uptick in interest. Hopefully it'll continue to grow in interest as more and more projects and demos are created with it.

Posted an update to https://github.com/earok/scorpion-editor-demos with the following fixes:

- Reimplemented Backbone import.
- Output includes uncrunched version of the executable (large but works on everything) as well as the crunched version (small but won't work from CD32 ISO, maybe in other places too).
- Fixed serious bug with the "Bar" element on the UI.
- Added the ability to reset the paths for FSUAE and WinUAE.

earok · 30 December 2020, 00:01

Experimenting with slopes.

Retro1234 · 30 December 2020, 02:34

how are you doing the collision for slopes etc?

earok · 30 December 2020, 03:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retro1234

how are you doing the collision for slopes etc?

Each slope has 16 bytes describing the height of each column of pixels. From there, it's a simple lookup of where the bottom of the player is VS where the top of the tile is.

Retro1234 · 30 December 2020, 03:33

Nice

I always thought I would do a palette check but that would be slow in realtime so I would palette check a tile once record the data in an array that then could be checked in realtime, something like that, one of those things I never got round to trying though.

earok · 30 December 2020, 04:14

Ah, yeah - palette lookup would be slow, unless you've reserved half the palette for platforms, then you could just check one bit in a single bitplane to see if it's a platform or not

Retro1234 · 30 December 2020, 11:25

I mean with the built in palette commands.
I think games like superfrog etc do use 2 bitplanes to check
but if your tiles are in Raw data you can just treat it like any data and check it that way anyway.

anyway thanks for the replies and interesting stuff.

earok · 02 January 2021, 05:57

No worries!

Scorpion 2021.1 is out, with slopes and improved animation looping options.

Explanation video:

[ Show youtube player ]

Downloads:

https://github.com/earok/scorpion-editor-demos

spotUP · 02 January 2021, 11:20

Can you do a mac build of the editor?
We would like to try it out but we are on Macs!

09 December 2020, 10:45	#424
Mixel Registered User Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: Leeds, UK Posts: 770	Ah! That sounds like a good way to do it.. I'm almost tempted to try it but it's.. very low down the list of things I should be implementing, if at all. And yes - generally, moving forward it's safe to assume you can post anything I post about it anywhere at all. (you made the difficult parts anyway, lol, only seems fair) - at some point I'm going to start sharing things selectively to avoid spoilers but that's a looong.. looooooooooong way off. ... Oh no prepare for the noobiest of questions.. . (ed: i fixed the dialog problem!) Feature request(/"am i missing something again?") tiime! Some easy way of doing ducking animations(?), similar to how SOTB, Turrican, Leander deal with it? I feel like I’m railroading your thread with petty support reqs when this is really more of a project update thread. Last edited by Mixel; 16 December 2020 at 00:31.

24 December 2020, 22:54	#428
earok Registered User Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Auckland Posts: 3,542	Cheers https://github.com/earok/scorpion-ed...ive/master.zip Uploaded the Unity version of the editor (as an standard exe, a Unity install is not required), along with the complete project source for Super Go Down The Hole. Merry Christmas. Video covering the ins-and-outs of the new Editor. [ Show youtube player ] Last edited by earok; 25 December 2020 at 01:03.

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09 December 2020, 04:06	#421
earok Registered User Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Auckland Posts: 3,542	Great! I'll let you know when I've got a build for you to try. Transition is planned but it isn't there yet. I haven't quite decided whether to support different transitions from idle-to-walking and walking-to-idle, or just make it so that the walking-to-idle transitions are just idle-to-walking reversed.

09 December 2020, 09:11	#422
Mixel Registered User Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: Leeds, UK Posts: 770	Exciting! I’d be pleased with either option.. but the second sounds a bit more flexible.. For walking it makes sense to reverse them but for games with fast running particularly it would be nice to have you sort of skid, etc? I need to look into how animation scripting works but how doable is “I’m standing really close to an edge so I wobble precariously” type stuff? (Not for my project probably, but someone probably needs it.)

09 December 2020, 10:30	#423
earok Registered User Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Auckland Posts: 3,542	Good point! I'll have to keep thinking about it. Regarding standing close to edge, here's how I would approach it personally with the current engine (no guarantee this would work in practice): - Create a special block for triggering that specific animation. Probably separate ones for left/right - Place those blocks a tile or two to the left or right of either edge. - Make it so the collision event for those blocks is that it plays the wobble animation. (some slight code complications here in regards to make it only trigger when you're standing and not jumping/falling, also you only want the animation to start if it isn't already playing, but those should be able to be handled) If the player's collision width was slightly wider than sixteen pixels, you could make a one tile gap between an edge and the special animation trigger block. This way, it'd only trigger when you were right on the edge. Otherwise, if the player had a really narrow collision width, you could put it closer. Psst.. can I post that latest video of yours to the Scorpion facebook page?

22 December 2020, 09:02	#425
earok Registered User Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Auckland Posts: 3,542	Quick update: I'm getting closer to launching the Unity version of the editor, along with the new sample game (will probably launch the game in it's own thread as it's a complete game, albeit a very short one). I've been giving Mixel alpha versions of the editor and he's been helpful with highlighting engine bugs, so I'm feeling pretty confident about finally getting the Unity Editor out there, I may aim for a Christmas day release. After that, I'll take another look at the Backbone importer to get the port of TOG finished. Also, check out Mixel's character combat. Technically, Scorpion doesn't support ducking characters out of the box (yet), but as with most things it can be done with clever use of the 'codeblocks' system.

22 December 2020, 11:24	#426
viddi Moderator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Germany Age: 44 Posts: 4,007

22 December 2020, 12:24	#427
nikosidis Registered User Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: oslo/norway Posts: 1,607	Very nice Looking forward to this. Great job!

28 December 2020, 16:06	#429
Mixel Registered User Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: Leeds, UK Posts: 770	Congrats on this launch I'm absolutely loving working in the Unity build.. (though Im in asset creation mode at the moment) One dumb question.. If I accidentally selected the wrong .exe when setting up the "Run in FS-UAE" button, how do I re-select the right .exe? Also is there not a way to view standardlibrary.codeblock in the editor anymore? I used that to figure out a few things before.

29 December 2020, 04:05	#431
breech Registered User Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Syd Posts: 184	The new app looks great, just needs some creative people to try it out

29 December 2020, 08:39	#432
earok Registered User Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Auckland Posts: 3,542	Well.. creative people are starting to try it out! The past few weeks there's been an uptick in interest. Hopefully it'll continue to grow in interest as more and more projects and demos are created with it. Posted an update to https://github.com/earok/scorpion-editor-demos with the following fixes: - Reimplemented Backbone import. - Output includes uncrunched version of the executable (large but works on everything) as well as the crunched version (small but won't work from CD32 ISO, maybe in other places too). - Fixed serious bug with the "Bar" element on the UI. - Added the ability to reset the paths for FSUAE and WinUAE.

30 December 2020, 00:01	#433
earok Registered User Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Auckland Posts: 3,542	Experimenting with slopes.

30 December 2020, 02:34	#434
Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,782	how are you doing the collision for slopes etc?

30 December 2020, 03:33	#436
Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,782	Nice I always thought I would do a palette check but that would be slow in realtime so I would palette check a tile once record the data in an array that then could be checked in realtime, something like that, one of those things I never got round to trying though.

30 December 2020, 04:14	#437
earok Registered User Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Auckland Posts: 3,542	Ah, yeah - palette lookup would be slow, unless you've reserved half the palette for platforms, then you could just check one bit in a single bitplane to see if it's a platform or not

30 December 2020, 11:25	#438
Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,782	I mean with the built in palette commands. I think games like superfrog etc do use 2 bitplanes to check but if your tiles are in Raw data you can just treat it like any data and check it that way anyway. anyway thanks for the replies and interesting stuff.

02 January 2021, 05:57	#439
earok Registered User Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Auckland Posts: 3,542	No worries! Scorpion 2021.1 is out, with slopes and improved animation looping options. Explanation video: [ Show youtube player ] Downloads: https://github.com/earok/scorpion-editor-demos

02 January 2021, 11:20	#440
spotUP Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: sweden Age: 46 Posts: 430	Can you do a mac build of the editor? We would like to try it out but we are on Macs!

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