x360 vibration support in winuae

[djcasey]

Hi
I have a a question about x360 pad support,
the pad itself working great, but what about rumble and vibration support
can it be activated ?? how to do it ?

Toni thx for Your great job
thx for answer

[TCD]

Originally Posted by djcasey

Hi
I have a a question about x360 pad support,
yhe pad itself working great, but what about rumble and vibration support
can it be activated ?? how to do it ?

Er... how should that work? Which means : No.

[djcasey]

i don't have knowledge on tech stuff, thats why i asking ;p

[Konrad]

What you're asking for doesn't make sense. You do understand that games have to be programmed to support rumble, don't you ?
Now guess how many games of the Amiga support rumble...I give you a hint. None.

[seuden]

Hey djcasey, unfortunately because the Amiga didn't support rumble it's going to be very unlikely that an emulator will.

[BippyM]

Originally Posted by Konrad

What you're asking for doesn't make sense. You do understand that games have to be programmed to support rumble, don't you ?
Now guess how many games of the Amiga support rumble...I give you a hint. None.

You're lying.. Please tell me you're lying... Amiga is shit... Rhumble all teh way

[djcasey]

ok , i know that amiga games wasn't programed to support rumble, ok
but what about a a "simulation" o rumble only when you "shoot"

[killergorilla]

It's not unheard of for emulators to support rumble features for games/systems that never originally had it but it's highly unlikely that it'll happen any time soon in winuae as there are so many more important updates going into winuae.

Maybe one day.

[TCD]

Originally Posted by djcasey

but what about a a "simulation" o rumble only when you "shoot"

Okay. Maybe someone knows an app that can activate rumble on a button press (because that's basically the same then).

Originally Posted by killergorilla

It's not unheard of for emulators to support rumble features for games/systems that never originally had it...

Any examples? Would like to see how they did it (i.e. 'where' they use it).

[gilgamesh]

The controller could rumble every time the floppy drive turns on.

[killergorilla]

Originally Posted by TheCyberDruid

Okay. Maybe someone knows an app that can activate rumble on a button press (because that's basically the same then).



Any examples? Would like to see how they did it (i.e. 'where' they use it).

Zsnexbox definitely does, I'm pretty sure other xbox ports do too. If I remember correctly you need game specific files (people contribute them) and they cause rumbling on specific events.

You'd need to look into it further as that's all I know. Never tried it out.

[TCD]

Originally Posted by killergorilla

If I remember correctly you need game specific files (people contribute them) and they cause rumbling on specific events.

Ah, okay. Just seen there is a 'rumble' folder which takes those patches. Something for WHDLoad then. Or not. You know.

[gilgamesh]

XBox SNES probably has some universal collision detection routines that are easy to hook into. On Amiga you would have to reverse engineer the assembly code of each game to spot an event.

[TCD]

Originally Posted by gilgamesh

XBox probably has some universal collision detection routines that are easy to hook into.

Ah, so they've rewritten the emulator core to use those special routines and then just made an auto-detection detection for it! Then again, prolly not

[gilgamesh]

Sorry, my bad. The other way round. S-NES has the collision detection. But you get the picture.

[killergorilla]

Indeed. It'd need to be written into WinUAE which (I'm completely guessing) is no 2 minute operation

[TCD]

...and prolly would give some funny results if it's not done on purpose Guess that would really require a kind of patch system, so it might take a little while (if ever) for this feature to show up.

[methodman]

So what programs are used to reverse engineer. The variety of books produced for the Amiga does not seem to match the variety produced for the C64. David Haynes started an Amiga book preserving project. bombjack.org/commodore But people who have insights could start to fill in the gaps so the ordinary person can participate in these wonderful experiments. Also I sent him 25 Amiga and chip design books to scan. This stuff is harder to do than it looks.

Its like I own Mathematica and the program is great. Most of the books approach it if it were a big graphics calculator. But the menu system is laid out like Quark but there is no book taking you through a comparison between the two.

[gilgamesh]

Originally Posted by killergorilla

Indeed. It'd need to be written into WinUAE which (I'm completely guessing) is no 2 minute operation

I guess it could be done for games with hardware sprites and collision detection by Denise without too much trouble. The controller would rumble every time a collision is detected. But you must check for every single game if and how Denise is used by reverse engineering or trial and error.

And this method wouldn't help with all other games like flight simulators etc.

It's not worth the trouble, imho.

Originally Posted by methodman

So what programs are used to reverse engineer.

Disassemblers and debuggers? I don't understand the Quark vs. Mathematica example.

[TCD]

For now I find methodman's post a tad strange to say the least. Let's wait for his answers