TF360: 060 card for CD32 - Page 2

Chucky · 24 April 2019, 09:43

What he means is that it should be added to the riser design. it is however currentlty not possible.

I myself do all that stuff via NTP and network on my desktop machines. and hopefully SPI will be working on the TFs. so,.¨

alexh · 24 April 2019, 12:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by SKOLMAN_MWS

Will the card have a faster IDE?

It will be faster due to the nature it is PIO and a faster CPU means faster IDE.

I imagine they could implement PIO2 if they are not already.

8 Bit Dreams · 24 April 2019, 20:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chucky

What he means is that it should be added to the riser design. it is however currentlty not possible.

Why not? As i said it's just one ic a few resistors and caps

Chucky · 24 April 2019, 20:46

well maye was not clear.. it is not "possible" to "just add" as it would mean some soldering etc.

actually 2 ics. you need like something that latches in the RTC and then the RTC chip.

so to current raisers it would need some designchange. not much. but some.

8 Bit Dreams · 24 April 2019, 20:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chucky

actually 2 ics. you need like something that latches in the RTC and then the RTC chip.

Oh, right! Something like 74F139 will do the job

th4t1guy · 24 April 2019, 23:08

Very cool! Will that 060 card allow more ram or is it still a 8mb limit?

trixster · 24 April 2019, 23:12

TF330 has 64mb ram so TF360 will have at least that much, probably much more.

8 Bit Dreams · 25 April 2019, 05:11

Final release of TF360 will have 256MB Zorrolll

Chucky · 25 April 2019, 07:24

my testboard got 64MB of ram. but design should take 256.

alexh · 25 April 2019, 14:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by 8 Bit Dreams

Final release of TF360 will have 256MB Zorrolll

ZorroIII? Is that a typo? Surely? It will be FastRAM not ZorroIII

Chucky · 25 April 2019, 14:30

I think you think of "zorro III" too much as a zorrocard and not of the address-space it lies in.

256MB of fastram in the Zorro III area but directly connecyed to the cpu.

th4t1guy · 25 April 2019, 17:32

Will the TF360 be open source like the other TF cards? (sorry if this has been answered already, I'm only aware of this thread)

Rochabian · 25 April 2019, 18:25

Does it will have an FPU ?
Can a riser with SERIAL, FLOPPY & PARALLEL port will be done ?

The best addon for a CD32 for me is like a SX32 with 060 & 64 Mb or more RAM

I have a SX32 Mk2 & a TF330 but i still use the SX32 because of the FPU and the floppy port ( for demos )

(The SX32 riser doesn't work on the TF330, otherwise it will be perfect with a FPU)

SKOLMAN_MWS · 26 April 2019, 02:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochabian

Does it will have an FPU ?
Can a riser with SERIAL (…) port will be done ?

http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/68060/

CD32 has a serial port on AUX.

8 Bit Dreams · 26 April 2019, 05:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by th4t1guy

Will the TF360 be open source like the other TF cards? (sorry if this has been answered already, I'm only aware of this thread)

Watch Stephens YouTube channel for this information. He explained already

8 Bit Dreams · 26 April 2019, 05:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochabian

Does it will have an FPU ?
Can a riser with SERIAL, FLOPPY & PARALLEL port will be done ?

No. This will not fit on riser.
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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochabian

(The SX32 riser doesn't work on the TF330, otherwise it will be perfect with a FPU)

Oh really!?
Tell me wich program is using FPU?!? Im very interested to know..
Its useless, on Amiga, to be fair, since its only used by Sysinfo that checks if its present. Nothing else

Rochabian · 26 April 2019, 08:06

It's only usefull for demos for me

I didn't know that 060 includes a FPU ! Great !

The SX32 RISER has a parralell port, a serial port, a RGB port , a VGA port and a floppy port, so, yes it can fit on the riser

Chucky · 26 April 2019, 10:13

FPU depends on the CPU you put on the board.. DOh.

i think people are confusiing the "disable fpu at start" with actually disabling the fpu.

ALL 060 cards on the amiga NEEDS to disable the fpu at boot. setpatch later enables it again!

Chucky · 26 April 2019, 10:15

about riser. I first tested with SX1 riser. it did NOT work. so they simply lacks sigals needed. but it is free for anyone to do something own.
I myslef can handle without parallelport and floppy etc.
serialport can be handy (qiote easy to fix)

Daedalus · 26 April 2019, 10:43

The problem with serial, parallel and floppy on the riser isn't one of whether they will fit (because clearly they do), but of capability: The CD32 lacks the CIAs needed to produce those signals, so the riser will also need two CIAs and some bus logic added, making it a much more expensive proposition.

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24 April 2019, 09:43	#21
Chucky Registered User Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Karlstad / Sweden Age: 52 Posts: 1,210	What he means is that it should be added to the riser design. it is however currentlty not possible. I myself do all that stuff via NTP and network on my desktop machines. and hopefully SPI will be working on the TFs. so,.¨

24 April 2019, 20:46	#24
Chucky Registered User Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Karlstad / Sweden Age: 52 Posts: 1,210	well maye was not clear.. it is not "possible" to "just add" as it would mean some soldering etc. actually 2 ics. you need like something that latches in the RTC and then the RTC chip. so to current raisers it would need some designchange. not much. but some.

24 April 2019, 23:08	#26
th4t1guy Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Kansas City, MO, USA Posts: 683	Very cool! Will that 060 card allow more ram or is it still a 8mb limit?

24 April 2019, 23:12	#27
trixster Guru Meditating Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: England Posts: 2,337	TF330 has 64mb ram so TF360 will have at least that much, probably much more.

25 April 2019, 05:11	#28
8 Bit Dreams Retro maniac Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: near Munich / Germany Posts: 485	Final release of TF360 will have 256MB Zorrolll

25 April 2019, 07:24	#29
Chucky Registered User Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Karlstad / Sweden Age: 52 Posts: 1,210	my testboard got 64MB of ram. but design should take 256.

25 April 2019, 14:30	#31
Chucky Registered User Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Karlstad / Sweden Age: 52 Posts: 1,210	I think you think of "zorro III" too much as a zorrocard and not of the address-space it lies in. 256MB of fastram in the Zorro III area but directly connecyed to the cpu.

25 April 2019, 17:32	#32
th4t1guy Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Kansas City, MO, USA Posts: 683	Will the TF360 be open source like the other TF cards? (sorry if this has been answered already, I'm only aware of this thread)

25 April 2019, 18:25	#33
Rochabian The Big White Cat Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: France Age: 44 Posts: 828	Does it will have an FPU ? Can a riser with SERIAL, FLOPPY & PARALLEL port will be done ? The best addon for a CD32 for me is like a SX32 with 060 & 64 Mb or more RAM I have a SX32 Mk2 & a TF330 but i still use the SX32 because of the FPU and the floppy port ( for demos ) (The SX32 riser doesn't work on the TF330, otherwise it will be perfect with a FPU)

26 April 2019, 10:13	#38
Chucky Registered User Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Karlstad / Sweden Age: 52 Posts: 1,210	FPU depends on the CPU you put on the board.. DOh. i think people are confusiing the "disable fpu at start" with actually disabling the fpu. ALL 060 cards on the amiga NEEDS to disable the fpu at boot. setpatch later enables it again!

26 April 2019, 10:15	#39
Chucky Registered User Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Karlstad / Sweden Age: 52 Posts: 1,210	about riser. I first tested with SX1 riser. it did NOT work. so they simply lacks sigals needed. but it is free for anyone to do something own. I myslef can handle without parallelport and floppy etc. serialport can be handy (qiote easy to fix)

26 April 2019, 10:43	#40
Daedalus Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Dublin, then Glasgow Posts: 6,334	The problem with serial, parallel and floppy on the riser isn't one of whether they will fit (because clearly they do), but of capability: The CD32 lacks the CIAs needed to produce those signals, so the riser will also need two CIAs and some bus logic added, making it a much more expensive proposition.

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