gaming system with most choppy scrolling? - Page 2

s2325 · 01 December 2008, 00:03

yes, I have a lot of games for it

Coagulus · 01 December 2008, 13:08

I think every machine had some games with smooth scrolling. Cobra on the speccy was nice as was Ghosts'n'Goblins on the CPC. Even the Amiga had many games with poor scrolling, especially when it came to ST ports. That slight speed advantage on the ST just seemed to make their version look nicer. Then again Enchanted Lands on the ST was pretty good too...

Retro-Nerd · 01 December 2008, 13:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coagulus

Then again Enchanted Lands on the ST was pretty good too...

Thalion had the knowledge to programme a decent ST scrolling. Check Warp or Ghostbattle too.

AmigaFriend · 01 December 2008, 14:17

Now check this nice scrolling made on Amiga 1200:

[ Show youtube player ]

TCD · 01 December 2008, 14:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by xpect

Now check this nice scrolling made on Amiga 1200:

[ Show youtube player ]

Wow, one minute presentation and two minutes credits

AmigaFriend · 01 December 2008, 14:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheCyberDruid

Wow, one minute presentation and two minutes credits

The guy was full of friends

dr.zeissler · 26 May 2020, 21:15

cool but old thread. some pc-games had also excellent scrolling, but you are right, most old pc at/xt games had very bad scrolling compared to the amiga/atari/c64...

dr.zeissler · 26 May 2020, 21:17

btw. any idea, why hybris has choppy scrolling on whdload.slave but not on disk.
I am using jst60 on my a2000 1.3.

dreadnought · 27 May 2020, 00:51

Msx

Estrayk · 27 May 2020, 01:11

for me:
1. PC-DOS, 8086 & 286.
2. MSX 1
3. Amstrad CPC

In Atari ST there're dozens games with smooth scroll, The Viking Child, QUARTZ, Alien World, Zone Warrior, Leavin Teramis, No Buddies Land, Bio Challenge, Outzone, Metrocross, Anarchy, Return to Genesis, Violator, Holocaust, Goldrunner, Warp, Kick Off 2, Obssesion.....

[ Show youtube player ]

Misclegend · 27 May 2020, 02:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Estrayk

for me:
1. PC-DOS, 8086 & 286.
2. MSX 1
3. Amstrad CPC

In Atari ST there're dozens games with smooth scroll, The Viking Child, QUARTZ, Alien World, Zone Warrior, Leavin Teramis, No Buddies Land, Bio Challenge, Outzone, Metrocross, Anarchy, Return to Genesis, Violator, Holocaust, Goldrunner, Warp, Kick Off 2, Obssesion.....

[ Show youtube player ]

the atari st ? yes add it to the list

the atari st have a really buggy and choppy horizontal scrolling

even the Spectrum is far better than the atari st in scrolling, you can see games like ghouls'n ghost, cobra, etc where the scroll is perfect and smooth and something impossible on the atari st due some unknown hardware limitation

roondar · 27 May 2020, 10:29

Honestly, I always had most "problems" with MSX char by char scrolling. I understand why they do it, but it literally causes me nausea (I get motion sickness from some 3D games with the "wrong" FOV. I also get it from that MSX style of scrolling as well).

I have less issues with choppy scrolling in smaller increments (with say 2 or at a stretch 4 pixels).

jotd · 27 May 2020, 10:32

Oric atmos scrolling abilities were so terrible that there were hardly games that scrolled !

Without a blitter or variable video address / barrel shifter for pixel by pixel scrolling, it's pretty difficult to create something smooth, specially in "high resolution" where you have to move 8kb of data each frame.

Plus it can't really scroll pixel by pixel but only 6 by 6 pixels (or the shifting would make it even slower)

jbh1977 · 27 May 2020, 22:17

Got to be the Philips CDi hasn't it? I don't think it did scrolling at all. On an older machine, say one of the early 8-bits, you might be able to get away with bodging it. For a supposed 'multimedia' machine that doesn't do it though, it's particularly jarring.

Sgt Jack V · 27 May 2020, 23:19

PC-8801 and I'm not even sure if it even *has* scrolling

spiff · 27 May 2020, 23:27

To paraphrase the old axiom

There's no smooth scrolling that can't be resolved by adding enough buffers
There's no input lag that can't be resolved by removing enough buffers

dreadnought · 27 May 2020, 23:40

saimon69 · 28 May 2020, 00:04

I know that technically is almost identical to an MSX but did the Sega SC-1000 or the computer version SC-3000 got mentioned?

Hewitson · 28 May 2020, 04:45

Even though it's one of my favourite computers, my vote goes to the MSX.

Yes there was other machines which had bad scrolling, but the MSX was terrible. It's amazing game library made up for it's shortcomings though.

PatmanQC · 29 May 2020, 06:29

This question is right up my alley. I would have to say the MSX is probably the worst and I played just about every darn system out there :-)

27 May 2020, 01:11	#30
Estrayk Registered User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Spain Posts: 511	for me: 1. PC-DOS, 8086 & 286. 2. MSX 1 3. Amstrad CPC In Atari ST there're dozens games with smooth scroll, The Viking Child, QUARTZ, Alien World, Zone Warrior, Leavin Teramis, No Buddies Land, Bio Challenge, Outzone, Metrocross, Anarchy, Return to Genesis, Violator, Holocaust, Goldrunner, Warp, Kick Off 2, Obssesion..... [ Show youtube player ] Last edited by Estrayk; 27 May 2020 at 01:31.

27 May 2020, 10:29	#32
roondar Registered User Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 3,406	Honestly, I always had most "problems" with MSX char by char scrolling. I understand why they do it, but it literally causes me nausea (I get motion sickness from some 3D games with the "wrong" FOV. I also get it from that MSX style of scrolling as well). I have less issues with choppy scrolling in smaller increments (with say 2 or at a stretch 4 pixels). Last edited by roondar; 27 May 2020 at 10:42.

27 May 2020, 10:32	#33
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,160	Oric atmos scrolling abilities were so terrible that there were hardly games that scrolled ! Without a blitter or variable video address / barrel shifter for pixel by pixel scrolling, it's pretty difficult to create something smooth, specially in "high resolution" where you have to move 8kb of data each frame. Plus it can't really scroll pixel by pixel but only 6 by 6 pixels (or the shifting would make it even slower) Last edited by jotd; 27 May 2020 at 22:58.

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01 December 2008, 00:03	#21
s2325 Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Gargore Age: 43 Posts: 17,789	yes, I have a lot of games for it

01 December 2008, 13:08	#22
Coagulus Gets there in the end... Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Wales Posts: 862	I think every machine had some games with smooth scrolling. Cobra on the speccy was nice as was Ghosts'n'Goblins on the CPC. Even the Amiga had many games with poor scrolling, especially when it came to ST ports. That slight speed advantage on the ST just seemed to make their version look nicer. Then again Enchanted Lands on the ST was pretty good too...

01 December 2008, 14:17	#24
AmigaFriend Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: CLI Posts: 1,462	Now check this nice scrolling made on Amiga 1200: [ Show youtube player ]

26 May 2020, 21:15	#27
dr.zeissler Registered User Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Berlin / Germany Age: 49 Posts: 176	cool but old thread. some pc-games had also excellent scrolling, but you are right, most old pc at/xt games had very bad scrolling compared to the amiga/atari/c64...

26 May 2020, 21:17	#28
dr.zeissler Registered User Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Berlin / Germany Age: 49 Posts: 176	btw. any idea, why hybris has choppy scrolling on whdload.slave but not on disk. I am using jst60 on my a2000 1.3.

27 May 2020, 00:51	#29
dreadnought Registered User Join Date: Dec 2019 Location: Ur, Atlantis Posts: 1,898	Msx

27 May 2020, 22:17	#34
jbh1977 Registered User Join Date: May 2020 Location: Nottingham Posts: 8	Got to be the Philips CDi hasn't it? I don't think it did scrolling at all. On an older machine, say one of the early 8-bits, you might be able to get away with bodging it. For a supposed 'multimedia' machine that doesn't do it though, it's particularly jarring.

27 May 2020, 23:19	#35
Sgt Jack V Registered User Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Orlando, Florida Posts: 64	PC-8801 and I'm not even sure if it even has scrolling

27 May 2020, 23:27	#36
spiff Oh noes! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Neverland Posts: 766	To paraphrase the old axiom There's no smooth scrolling that can't be resolved by adding enough buffers There's no input lag that can't be resolved by removing enough buffers

27 May 2020, 23:40	#37
dreadnought Registered User Join Date: Dec 2019 Location: Ur, Atlantis Posts: 1,898

28 May 2020, 00:04	#38
saimon69 J.M.D - Bedroom Musician Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: los angeles,ca Posts: 3,516	I know that technically is almost identical to an MSX but did the Sega SC-1000 or the computer version SC-3000 got mentioned?

28 May 2020, 04:45	#39
Hewitson Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Age: 41 Posts: 3,771	Even though it's one of my favourite computers, my vote goes to the MSX. Yes there was other machines which had bad scrolling, but the MSX was terrible. It's amazing game library made up for it's shortcomings though.

29 May 2020, 06:29	#40
PatmanQC Registered User Join Date: Jul 2018 Location: Bettendorf Posts: 349	This question is right up my alley. I would have to say the MSX is probably the worst and I played just about every darn system out there :-)

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