New Amithlon Kernel available !!!

amiga · 05 September 2006, 16:36

Work on kernel 3.10 is finally done and it is available from the downloads section, along with a new pack of linux-side drivers (0.90).

Highlights of this new release are:

Support for more GeForce FX models (ie, 5700, 5100, etc)
Support for GeForce PCX PCI-Express cards.
General bugfixes to the GeForce and Radeon drivers.
SATA support (yay!) for VIA 8237 and NVidia NForce 3/4 chipsets.
Gigabit ethernet via the VIA 6120 & 6122 Velocity chips.
Ethernet driver for NForce 3/4 chipsets.
Support for more AC97 audio codecs.

Website: http://www.garycvl.f2s.com/amithlon.html

Paul · 05 September 2006, 19:19

Added more information to amiga's posts copied from link.

Charlie · 05 September 2006, 21:29

WOOHOO!!!!!

Many thanks GC

Ultron · 05 September 2006, 22:41

Good news, bud.

whiteb · 06 September 2006, 01:11

Hmmmm, and this means ????????????????

Oh wait, this means that I dont have Amithlon.

mr_0rga5m · 06 September 2006, 14:01

Yea i'm not sure what you do with this new Kernal thingy either ...

The page is shite .. explains nothing.

amiga · 06 September 2006, 14:25

@mr_0rga5m:

The forum dedicated to amithlon is:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amithlonopen

Go there if u want clarifications.

Photon · 06 September 2006, 17:44

Every page hosting software should have an About button, like in the Help menu of utilities

Went there and I still have no idea what that project is about.

Why not just tell us what it is and what it does, amiga?

Photon · 06 September 2006, 17:47

OK found out it's an operating system for PC emulating the Amiga operating system. Hmm...

BippyM · 06 September 2006, 17:59

that wont play non-system friendly games.... even bigger HMMMMMmmmmm

Zetr0 · 06 September 2006, 18:14

*pouts* why cant they just bloddy well open source it!!!!!!!!!

Charlie · 06 September 2006, 19:30

For those that don't know...

Amithlon makes x86 hardware look like an Amiga + RTG + AHI to AmigaOS ( Or a Draco if you prefer )

Why?
You get a VERY fast 68k Amiga for all the kinds of software that can use such a system.

No chipset emulation...
Part of the reason why it's so fast & as AmigaOS does not sit on top of UAE + HostOS etc you get a system that behaves like a fast Amiga, not an emulation.
If you want to run software needing the chipset - 68kE-UAE works fine.

Open Source?
The kernel is... it's the Linux base for Amithlon that makes a PC look like an Amiga. I believe Gary has problems with bandwidth, which is why he doesn't post the sources, but if you ask he will send... eventually - it is a part-time project.
The rest is the property of Amiga.inc, Bernie Meyer, and Haage+Partner. To cut a very long story short I'm sure Bernie would be happy to open source Amithlon ( which would aid further much needed development ) but the other parties have 'issues' shall I say.

Here endeth the lesson.

Zetr0 · 06 September 2006, 22:01

thanks for the info charlie....

heres a quick begging to gary.... please please please...

I see those primary two names (amiga inc, huage & partner) that hold back the full potential of amiga.

i would be interested to see how it would handle non-custom screen modes.. even with screen promotion lol.. and how quick imagine would render on a 3200x86

Charlie · 08 September 2006, 15:22

I don't have a copy of imagine, but for v.rough comparison my 3200x86 'Amiga' will run Quake I in 640x480 @ about 140fps compared to an '060-50 with rtg @ about 3fps - according to AmigaActive. All software rendered, so hopefully a fair comparison of raw processing speed.
No - AmigaOS does not need this kind of speed but it is handy for tasks like rendering, processing mp3's etc.

In other respects if it will dispaly under Picasso96 ( with modepro if needed ) it will run on Amithlon. My install is also setup to Point E-UAE to my sys: partition so I've got chipset access on a seperate screen when needed.

I bought two boxed copies of Amithlon before Amiga.inc decided H+P didn't have the right to sell it...
Sooo, if anyone wants to give my spare a try let me know.

It would be least bother to me if I sent an .iso for testing & if found useful post the original for a small donation.
This would also allow me to include some updates & setup guide as it can be quite tricky - esp on more modern hardware.

I will need the blessing of one of the moderators first before sending anything & I have only one spare copy!

Zetr0 · 08 September 2006, 15:52

considering the *certain* tensions of late charlie i dont blame you for making sure so if all is okay , i am interested in testing. i will even build a couple of different rigs to test it on.

my plan is to look at the effcientcy of the x86 achitecture of the P4 1.5 and an AMD of the same specification. I would also like to see if the memory speed, access and size is a serious consideration factor. as a foot note to compare this with a 64bit chip running it as well.

I want to look at different onboard resources including sound cards (from onboard ac97 to a couple of CMI8837/9 chipsets) as well as USB stacks (1.1/2.1) noting if at all the smooth transparency of such components (including scsi devices)..

and finally i want to test this again a QNX solution for the 68k / x86 set of architectures...

I am interested in reviewing source comparing it to X11 (wich i have laying arround here somewhere)

phew.... sounds like a task and a half....

Charlie · 08 September 2006, 17:48

Hi Zetr0,
I was hoping you would be interested... I suspect Gary is currently the only one with any real tallent still actively playing with Amithlon & if I can get others involved. ( My ulterior motive

)

The QNX version is very underrated - lacking some speed, but inheriting more compatibility.

I've got two copies because of some wild clicking on my part when I ordered it years ago - I never got round to returning one!

In my own experience you won't go far wrong with 32bit VIA based mobo's. nForce2's too.
It was written with AMD in mind, but works fine on Intel ( with an update )
Some AMD64 systems work, but as I don't have one, couldn't say.
GFX? - nVidia is best supported. The Voodoo3 PCI will also work with Ward3D under Amithlon if you know how to fiddle with the driver. ( There was never offical support due to the usual amiga in-fighting ) It all runs through Linux's framebuffer.
Sound? - some ac97's are supported but not all, SB128 & SBLive! are other obvoius ones.
USB? - Poseidon works very well.
SATA? - if enabled can stop Amithlon booting depending on your system. ( See latest kernel update )
SISI? - if it's PCI & you can find/write a driver it should work much as if you had a Mediator-equiped Amiga.
( Interstingly PCIe looks like PCI to Amithlon so this doesn't have to be a problem, though device numbers may need altering )

I hope the above helps - more to be found searching: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amithlonopen

If you remain interested I'll send a copy for evaluation. ( inc updates ) It will be in the region of 65mb at a guess.

I prefer to do it this way as I have only one spare copy & I'd like to hope it goes to someone who finds it useful.

If the moderators aren't happy I'm only after postage costs for the boxed set, so let me know & I'll include a cd with any extras/updates I have.

BippyM · 08 September 2006, 17:51

If this turns into a proper functional and useable OS (working on more system setups) then I'll definately consider purchasing it.

Needs to run all OS legal 68k code and also perhaps code that hits the hardware (in the future)

Amiga on x86 could be good

_ThEcRoW · 08 September 2006, 18:15

Is this new kernel to replace the one on the bootdisk? I want to boot with an updated kernel if it's possible.

Ultron · 08 September 2006, 18:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charlie

Open Source?
The kernel is... it's the Linux base for Amithlon that makes a PC look like an Amiga. I believe Gary has problems with bandwidth, which is why he doesn't post the sources, but if you ask he will send... eventually - it is a part-time project.

What about sourceforge?

Ultron · 08 September 2006, 18:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by bippym

If this turns into a proper functional and useable OS (working on more system setups) then I'll definately consider purchasing it.

Needs to run all OS legal 68k code and also perhaps code that hits the hardware (in the future)

Amiga on x86 could be good

I thought everyone knew about the Bernie Meyer \ HP scandal by now...

05 September 2006, 16:36	#1
amiga Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Amiga_land Posts: 443	Give VmwAROS a go (was: New Amithlon Kernel available !!!) Work on kernel 3.10 is finally done and it is available from the downloads section, along with a new pack of linux-side drivers (0.90). Highlights of this new release are: Support for more GeForce FX models (ie, 5700, 5100, etc) Support for GeForce PCX PCI-Express cards. General bugfixes to the GeForce and Radeon drivers. SATA support (yay!) for VIA 8237 and NVidia NForce 3/4 chipsets. Gigabit ethernet via the VIA 6120 & 6122 Velocity chips. Ethernet driver for NForce 3/4 chipsets. Support for more AC97 audio codecs. Website: http://www.garycvl.f2s.com/amithlon.html Last edited by amiga; 10 February 2009 at 09:50.

08 September 2006, 17:48	#16
Charlie . . Mouse . . Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Nowhere Age: 55 Posts: 1,792	Hi Zetr0, I was hoping you would be interested... I suspect Gary is currently the only one with any real tallent still actively playing with Amithlon & if I can get others involved. ( My ulterior motive ) The QNX version is very underrated - lacking some speed, but inheriting more compatibility. I've got two copies because of some wild clicking on my part when I ordered it years ago - I never got round to returning one! In my own experience you won't go far wrong with 32bit VIA based mobo's. nForce2's too. It was written with AMD in mind, but works fine on Intel ( with an update ) Some AMD64 systems work, but as I don't have one, couldn't say. GFX? - nVidia is best supported. The Voodoo3 PCI will also work with Ward3D under Amithlon if you know how to fiddle with the driver. ( There was never offical support due to the usual amiga in-fighting ) It all runs through Linux's framebuffer. Sound? - some ac97's are supported but not all, SB128 & SBLive! are other obvoius ones. USB? - Poseidon works very well. SATA? - if enabled can stop Amithlon booting depending on your system. ( See latest kernel update ) SISI? - if it's PCI & you can find/write a driver it should work much as if you had a Mediator-equiped Amiga. ( Interstingly PCIe looks like PCI to Amithlon so this doesn't have to be a problem, though device numbers may need altering ) I hope the above helps - more to be found searching: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amithlonopen If you remain interested I'll send a copy for evaluation. ( inc updates ) It will be in the region of 65mb at a guess. I prefer to do it this way as I have only one spare copy & I'd like to hope it goes to someone who finds it useful. If the moderators aren't happy I'm only after postage costs for the boxed set, so let me know & I'll include a cd with any extras/updates I have. Last edited by Charlie; 08 September 2006 at 19:55.

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Paul RIP Friends Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: UK Posts: 2,157	Added more information to amiga's posts copied from link.

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Charlie . . Mouse . . Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Nowhere Age: 55 Posts: 1,792	WOOHOO!!!!! Many thanks GC

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06 September 2006, 01:11	#5
whiteb Fanatically Amiga. Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia Age: 54 Posts: 1,557	Hmmmm, and this means ???????????????? Oh wait, this means that I dont have Amithlon.

06 September 2006, 14:01	#6
mr_0rga5m Tik Gora :D Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Round yo momma's Posts: 1,273	Yea i'm not sure what you do with this new Kernal thingy either ... The page is shite .. explains nothing.

06 September 2006, 14:25	#7
amiga Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Amiga_land Posts: 443	@mr_0rga5m: The forum dedicated to amithlon is: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amithlonopen Go there if u want clarifications.

06 September 2006, 17:44	#8
Photon Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Eksjö / Sweden Posts: 5,602	Every page hosting software should have an About button, like in the Help menu of utilities Went there and I still have no idea what that project is about. Why not just tell us what it is and what it does, amiga?

06 September 2006, 17:47	#9
Photon Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Eksjö / Sweden Posts: 5,602	OK found out it's an operating system for PC emulating the Amiga operating system. Hmm...

06 September 2006, 17:59	#10
BippyM Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Derby, UK Age: 48 Posts: 9,355	that wont play non-system friendly games.... even bigger HMMMMMmmmmm

06 September 2006, 18:14	#11
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	pouts why cant they just bloddy well open source it!!!!!!!!!

06 September 2006, 19:30	#12
Charlie . . Mouse . . Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Nowhere Age: 55 Posts: 1,792	For those that don't know... Amithlon makes x86 hardware look like an Amiga + RTG + AHI to AmigaOS ( Or a Draco if you prefer ) Why? You get a VERY fast 68k Amiga for all the kinds of software that can use such a system. No chipset emulation... Part of the reason why it's so fast & as AmigaOS does not sit on top of UAE + HostOS etc you get a system that behaves like a fast Amiga, not an emulation. If you want to run software needing the chipset - 68kE-UAE works fine. Open Source? The kernel is... it's the Linux base for Amithlon that makes a PC look like an Amiga. I believe Gary has problems with bandwidth, which is why he doesn't post the sources, but if you ask he will send... eventually - it is a part-time project. The rest is the property of Amiga.inc, Bernie Meyer, and Haage+Partner. To cut a very long story short I'm sure Bernie would be happy to open source Amithlon ( which would aid further much needed development ) but the other parties have 'issues' shall I say. Here endeth the lesson.

06 September 2006, 22:01	#13
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	thanks for the info charlie.... heres a quick begging to gary.... please please please... I see those primary two names (amiga inc, huage & partner) that hold back the full potential of amiga. i would be interested to see how it would handle non-custom screen modes.. even with screen promotion lol.. and how quick imagine would render on a 3200x86

08 September 2006, 15:22	#14
Charlie . . Mouse . . Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Nowhere Age: 55 Posts: 1,792	I don't have a copy of imagine, but for v.rough comparison my 3200x86 'Amiga' will run Quake I in 640x480 @ about 140fps compared to an '060-50 with rtg @ about 3fps - according to AmigaActive. All software rendered, so hopefully a fair comparison of raw processing speed. No - AmigaOS does not need this kind of speed but it is handy for tasks like rendering, processing mp3's etc. In other respects if it will dispaly under Picasso96 ( with modepro if needed ) it will run on Amithlon. My install is also setup to Point E-UAE to my sys: partition so I've got chipset access on a seperate screen when needed. I bought two boxed copies of Amithlon before Amiga.inc decided H+P didn't have the right to sell it... Sooo, if anyone wants to give my spare a try let me know. It would be least bother to me if I sent an .iso for testing & if found useful post the original for a small donation. This would also allow me to include some updates & setup guide as it can be quite tricky - esp on more modern hardware. I will need the blessing of one of the moderators first before sending anything & I have only one spare copy!

08 September 2006, 15:52	#15
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	considering the certain tensions of late charlie i dont blame you for making sure so if all is okay , i am interested in testing. i will even build a couple of different rigs to test it on. my plan is to look at the effcientcy of the x86 achitecture of the P4 1.5 and an AMD of the same specification. I would also like to see if the memory speed, access and size is a serious consideration factor. as a foot note to compare this with a 64bit chip running it as well. I want to look at different onboard resources including sound cards (from onboard ac97 to a couple of CMI8837/9 chipsets) as well as USB stacks (1.1/2.1) noting if at all the smooth transparency of such components (including scsi devices).. and finally i want to test this again a QNX solution for the 68k / x86 set of architectures... I am interested in reviewing source comparing it to X11 (wich i have laying arround here somewhere) phew.... sounds like a task and a half....

08 September 2006, 17:51	#17
BippyM Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Derby, UK Age: 48 Posts: 9,355	If this turns into a proper functional and useable OS (working on more system setups) then I'll definately consider purchasing it. Needs to run all OS legal 68k code and also perhaps code that hits the hardware (in the future) Amiga on x86 could be good

08 September 2006, 18:15	#18
_ThEcRoW Amiga NetRunner Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Spain Age: 45 Posts: 941	Is this new kernel to replace the one on the bootdisk? I want to boot with an updated kernel if it's possible.

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