Zorro slots for an A500

source · 15 October 2009, 05:46

I was wondering if there is an easy way to create a Zorro II slot that will plug into the expansion port for the A500. I am currently Awaiting a A500 that I picked up on Ebay. I am going to be installing a VXL30 with 8 meg board, but I am wanting to install a Budda controller that will allow use of the clockport adaptors. Possibly having 2 zorro slots alligned so that the Zorro cards would be parallel with the A500 Motherboard. I was also wondering about installing a standard 4 prong power connector like the ones on found on hard drive so that the cards are self powered instead of drawing power throught the A500 motherboard.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

I have the file on Aminet adding a zorro slot.
Has anyone built this? Can a second zorro slot be added to the design?

Thanks.

alexh · 15 October 2009, 08:34

If all you want is a clock port then why not just get a clock port adapter?

http://www.amiga-hardware.com/showha...gi?HARDID=1514

Not sure if it will physically fit in the A500 case with the VXL board fitted.

source · 15 October 2009, 08:48

That I don't think will fit. I am assuming that the clockport adaptor will sit on the motherboard then the VXL would be expected to sit on top of it. There will need to be more room to accomodate the cables to plug into the clock port.
The hope is to have a full zorro slot that will allow a HD controller. I would use a Buddah which will allow for clock ports as well.

alexh · 15 October 2009, 12:31

You can use a row of spacers. The problem is putting the lid back on afterwards.

Certainly less of a problem than a bare Zorro slot & card.

100% compatible with VXL card is the IDE68k v293 which adds an IDE, CF card and clock port all internally.

Again it sits below the VXL

Jope · 15 October 2009, 13:07

The VXL is needlessly tall, it could be modified to have a shorter connection to the CPU socket when used in a sandwich arrangement like this.

rkauer · 15 October 2009, 14:00

I'm toying with the idea of using a Z-II RAM board on mine A500/SCSI. A Meta4 board is waiting and I think I'll do this until the end of the year.

Zetr0 · 15 October 2009, 14:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by source

I was wondering if there is an easy way to create a Zorro II slot that will plug into the expansion port for the A500. I am currently Awaiting a A500 that I picked up on Ebay. I am going to be installing a VXL30 with 8 meg board, but I am wanting to install a Budda controller that will allow use of the clockport adaptors. Possibly having 2 zorro slots alligned so that the Zorro cards would be parallel with the A500 Motherboard. I was also wondering about installing a standard 4 prong power connector like the ones on found on hard drive so that the cards are self powered instead of drawing power throught the A500 motherboard.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

I have the file on Aminet adding a zorro slot.
Has anyone built this? Can a second zorro slot be added to the design?

Thanks.

All the signals you need are at the edge connectory,

you could either make a card that connects to that edge and use the nessasary 68k signals to drive the Clockport adapter, OR you could litteraly make your own by follwoing Stedy's (ian steadmans) schematics, I shall have a look later for a linkie for you.

rkauer · 15 October 2009, 21:24

Aminet can be your friend in this quest.

salax54 · 16 October 2009, 18:01

As promised a few months ago on a similar topic, the article from AF January '98 on "how to add a Zorro slot to your A1000/A500" (hosted at the Greek Amigans forum from yours trully)
http://www.amigahellas.gr/modules/my...p?cid=9&lid=55
Plus, from the same issue, an analysis of the Zorro busses
http://www.amigahellas.gr/modules/my...p?cid=9&lid=54
Hope y'all find them interesting, and take advantage of the contents..

source · 21 October 2009, 18:35

Thanks for the sites. I have downloaded the images, and begun sourcing the parts. One of the questions I have (which would likely be first of many) Is I am wanting to have the card self powered. Do I need to put diodes on all the 5 volt lines to prevent current going back to the 500 mobo and do I need to run the 5 volt current to all the 5 volt lines?

rkauer · 21 October 2009, 23:04

Don't need diodes! Just solder all +5V lines directly to the external supply and not to A500's board. GND lines must be shared with both the external supply and A500s one.

source · 26 October 2009, 04:30

I have sourced the chips and sockets. Now I just need to find a source for the edge connectors. I think I have found one in the US. Once I get those, I will begin building the board. The plan is to have this card be self powered. I don't know if I should pull all the power from the 500. I see that amigakit has 250 W PSU for A500. Should I have all the power pulled through the A500 with one of these PSU's or should I self power the expansion card? If I do use a separate power supply for the expansion board, do I need to run capacitors off of the 5+volt supply, and if so how big of a cap would be needed?
Thanks for input.

Lockon · 26 October 2009, 09:06

I think you should make it self-powered, even if that means that at the end it would drain power from same source as A500 does (if 250W PSU is used, at another rail). IIRC, on A500 there's a EMI17xx component which limits +5V current available to sid expansion bus. It could by bypassed, but not without some interferenece issues. For caps issues, you might wait for Ian to see this post...

BTW, does this slot has a passthrough ?

Photon · 26 October 2009, 15:58

"Mmm... sandwich arrangements..." (c) Homer

source · 28 October 2009, 04:41

Does the Amiga 500 need the shielding inside the case, or can it be perminantly removed to allow for a little more space inside the computer case?

Loedown · 28 October 2009, 05:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by source

Does the Amiga 500 need the shielding inside the case, or can it be perminantly removed to allow for a little more space inside the computer case?

I ran mine for years without any RF shielding, I don't recall any thermonuclear explosions.

rkauer · 28 October 2009, 06:09

I think I don't even see ONE Amiga with the top shield in my home for years...

lost_loven · 12 December 2009, 02:49

http://cgi.ebay.com/Amiga-500-1000-T...item4cec7f06d7

chiark · 17 December 2009, 16:59

I've got an adaptor for my 500, and the GVP HC8+ works. I was really hoping that it would work with the Piccolo SD64 graphics card, but having that inserted hangs the system. I've jumpered the card for z2 mode rather than the autosense it uses, but it still hangs the system.

It'd be great to know what does and does not work

bebek · 23 December 2009, 01:22

Long time ago I connected A2000 card to Amiga 500 without any special expansion, only bunch of cables. It is SCSI controller with 8MB fast memory. Looks average but works fine

. I managed to fit everything in the case and close it. Do not like to turn on this Amiga now as the hard drive is so noisy that can not stand it for more than 5 minutes... . Is there any quiet SCSI hard drive?

15 October 2009, 05:46	#1
source Zone Friend Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 734	Zorro slots for an A500 I was wondering if there is an easy way to create a Zorro II slot that will plug into the expansion port for the A500. I am currently Awaiting a A500 that I picked up on Ebay. I am going to be installing a VXL30 with 8 meg board, but I am wanting to install a Budda controller that will allow use of the clockport adaptors. Possibly having 2 zorro slots alligned so that the Zorro cards would be parallel with the A500 Motherboard. I was also wondering about installing a standard 4 prong power connector like the ones on found on hard drive so that the cards are self powered instead of drawing power throught the A500 motherboard. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I have the file on Aminet adding a zorro slot. Has anyone built this? Can a second zorro slot be added to the design? Thanks.

23 December 2009, 01:22	#20
bebek Registered User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Poole UK Posts: 349	Long time ago I connected A2000 card to Amiga 500 without any special expansion, only bunch of cables. It is SCSI controller with 8MB fast memory. Looks average but works fine . I managed to fit everything in the case and close it. Do not like to turn on this Amiga now as the hard drive is so noisy that can not stand it for more than 5 minutes... . Is there any quiet SCSI hard drive? Attached Thumbnails Last edited by bebek; 23 December 2009 at 23:02.

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15 October 2009, 08:34	#2
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,337	If all you want is a clock port then why not just get a clock port adapter? http://www.amiga-hardware.com/showha...gi?HARDID=1514 Not sure if it will physically fit in the A500 case with the VXL board fitted.

15 October 2009, 08:48	#3
source Zone Friend Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 734	That I don't think will fit. I am assuming that the clockport adaptor will sit on the motherboard then the VXL would be expected to sit on top of it. There will need to be more room to accomodate the cables to plug into the clock port. The hope is to have a full zorro slot that will allow a HD controller. I would use a Buddah which will allow for clock ports as well.

15 October 2009, 12:31	#4
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,337	You can use a row of spacers. The problem is putting the lid back on afterwards. Certainly less of a problem than a bare Zorro slot & card. 100% compatible with VXL card is the IDE68k v293 which adds an IDE, CF card and clock port all internally. Again it sits below the VXL

15 October 2009, 13:07	#5
Jope - Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Helsinki / Finland Age: 43 Posts: 9,861	The VXL is needlessly tall, it could be modified to have a shorter connection to the CPU socket when used in a sandwich arrangement like this.

15 October 2009, 14:00	#6
rkauer I hate potatos and shirts Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sao Leopoldo / Brazil Age: 58 Posts: 3,482	I'm toying with the idea of using a Z-II RAM board on mine A500/SCSI. A Meta4 board is waiting and I think I'll do this until the end of the year.

15 October 2009, 21:24	#8
rkauer I hate potatos and shirts Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sao Leopoldo / Brazil Age: 58 Posts: 3,482	Aminet can be your friend in this quest.

16 October 2009, 18:01	#9
salax54 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Athens Greece Posts: 153	As promised a few months ago on a similar topic, the article from AF January '98 on "how to add a Zorro slot to your A1000/A500" (hosted at the Greek Amigans forum from yours trully) http://www.amigahellas.gr/modules/my...p?cid=9&lid=55 Plus, from the same issue, an analysis of the Zorro busses http://www.amigahellas.gr/modules/my...p?cid=9&lid=54 Hope y'all find them interesting, and take advantage of the contents..

21 October 2009, 18:35	#10
source Zone Friend Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 734	Thanks for the sites. I have downloaded the images, and begun sourcing the parts. One of the questions I have (which would likely be first of many) Is I am wanting to have the card self powered. Do I need to put diodes on all the 5 volt lines to prevent current going back to the 500 mobo and do I need to run the 5 volt current to all the 5 volt lines?

21 October 2009, 23:04	#11
rkauer I hate potatos and shirts Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sao Leopoldo / Brazil Age: 58 Posts: 3,482	Don't need diodes! Just solder all +5V lines directly to the external supply and not to A500's board. GND lines must be shared with both the external supply and A500s one.

26 October 2009, 04:30	#12
source Zone Friend Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 734	I have sourced the chips and sockets. Now I just need to find a source for the edge connectors. I think I have found one in the US. Once I get those, I will begin building the board. The plan is to have this card be self powered. I don't know if I should pull all the power from the 500. I see that amigakit has 250 W PSU for A500. Should I have all the power pulled through the A500 with one of these PSU's or should I self power the expansion card? If I do use a separate power supply for the expansion board, do I need to run capacitors off of the 5+volt supply, and if so how big of a cap would be needed? Thanks for input.

26 October 2009, 09:06	#13
Lockon Air supremacy Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Rijeka Croatia Age: 49 Posts: 121	I think you should make it self-powered, even if that means that at the end it would drain power from same source as A500 does (if 250W PSU is used, at another rail). IIRC, on A500 there's a EMI17xx component which limits +5V current available to sid expansion bus. It could by bypassed, but not without some interferenece issues. For caps issues, you might wait for Ian to see this post... BTW, does this slot has a passthrough ?

26 October 2009, 15:58	#14
Photon Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Eksjö / Sweden Posts: 5,602	"Mmm... sandwich arrangements..." (c) Homer

28 October 2009, 04:41	#15
source Zone Friend Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 734	Does the Amiga 500 need the shielding inside the case, or can it be perminantly removed to allow for a little more space inside the computer case?

28 October 2009, 06:09	#17
rkauer I hate potatos and shirts Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sao Leopoldo / Brazil Age: 58 Posts: 3,482	I think I don't even see ONE Amiga with the top shield in my home for years...

12 December 2009, 02:49	#18
lost_loven Registered User Join Date: May 2007 Location: winnipeg Posts: 358	http://cgi.ebay.com/Amiga-500-1000-T...item4cec7f06d7

17 December 2009, 16:59	#19
chiark Needs a life Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: England Posts: 1,707	I've got an adaptor for my 500, and the GVP HC8+ works. I was really hoping that it would work with the Piccolo SD64 graphics card, but having that inserted hangs the system. I've jumpered the card for z2 mode rather than the autosense it uses, but it still hangs the system. It'd be great to know what does and does not work

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