A600 2mb ram vs A1200 ACA1232 music player question

trydowave · 28 October 2013, 16:28

Hi. I have two Amigas with 4gb CF HDDS. One is the A1200 which I always post about on these forums.
Specs A1200 3.1, ACA 1232 128mb, indi MK2
and an A600. 1mb standard with 1mb expansion.

I'm playing a 100 collection mod pack on eagle player on both systems but the A600 cant handle it. Channels sometimes seem out of sync and its slower as well.

Does anyone know why this would be happening? Alot of these mods are very high quality and have lots of sampled speech etc.

daxb · 28 October 2013, 17:27

What kind of mods and size and amount of channels? How does HippoPlayer play?

Hewitson · 29 October 2013, 04:13

There must be some extra options enabled. An Amiga will NEVER struggle to play a mod, actually the replayer uses very little CPU power.

tomcat666 · 29 October 2013, 10:00

Where can one get this 100 collection mod pack ?

hooverphonique · 29 October 2013, 10:12

what daxb said.. there's most likely mods in there with more than 4 channels, thus requiring cpu mixing..

trydowave · 29 October 2013, 11:45

The mod collection can be found here, mid right, download section:
http://modp3.mikendezign.com/

I havent heard of Hippoplayer but ill give it a go. Is it the case that the A600s weaker cpu could have trouble playing more complicated mods?

Cheers

Amiga1992 · 29 October 2013, 12:07

Definitely impossible. But keep in mind some MODs might need more memory than 1MB.

alexh · 29 October 2013, 12:47

Later versions of EaglePlayer has options which require more horsepower than the bare 7MHz 68k can handle and need to be disabled. i.e. 14-bit note player, the visualisers etc.

Try an different program to for playback. A slim modplayer.

trydowave · 29 October 2013, 15:26

Any recommendations for slimmer mod players?

Also. I have a 1mb expansion in my A600 so it totals 2mb. Would this make a difference or would it make no difference as its not chip ram.

Cheers
Tony

demolition · 29 October 2013, 15:48

Some mod players have players which locate the samples in fast mem, which requires a lot more CPU power. You don't need this since you only have chipmem anyway.
I have used HippoPlayer on my plain A600 and never had an issue with it.

Amiga1992 · 29 October 2013, 20:56

Yeah it seems you might be using a 14 bit replayer or something. Use only the true hardware player.

trydowave · 02 November 2013, 17:16

I tried to install hippo player but its complaining about not having the right library or something. I imagine its going to need plugins as well to play the various mods. Can someone out there pls give me a link to the other files needed (and where I should put them).
Thanks
Tony

fitzsteve · 02 November 2013, 17:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by trydowave

I tried to install hippo player but its complaining about not having the right library or something. I imagine its going to need plugins as well to play the various mods. Can someone out there pls give me a link to the other files needed (and where I should put them).
Thanks
Tony

Does it not tell you in the readme file what's required?

Most stuff can be downloaded from Aminet or you can Google the file name

trydowave · 02 November 2013, 17:46

Is there a player you can recommend Fitzsteve that has everything included and runs straight out of the box so to speak?

fitzsteve · 02 November 2013, 18:23

Classic Workbench 68k & GAAE already has Hippo player installed so you could try using Classic Workbench since evrything is setup, pre configured and ready to go.

Jope · 02 November 2013, 18:55

Off the top of my head, hippo player needs req.library and that's about it. No point in installing an entire WB distro if you only need that one lib. :-D

trydowave · 07 November 2013, 18:26

Jope: I got req.library (I think) from aminet. Out of the 27 files it extracted it had one drawer called libs with req.library in it. I transferred this file to libs in Workbench.

When starting Hippoplayer I get the following guru like message:

HIP rozen no Reqtools.library V38+!

Not sure what this means. I'm guessing the file didn't work or i'm still missing something?

Thanks
Tony

fitzsteve · 07 November 2013, 19:10

Try the attached (unzip and transfer to your Amiga) sys:libs/

It came from Classic Workbench so should be compatible.

daxb · 07 November 2013, 22:47

req.library is not equal reqtools.library what is a must have library everybody will need sooner or later.

The Aminet HippoPlayer Archive has everything you need, including a kick1.3 reqtools.library version. Read install.readme. For kick3.1 you will use V39.3. More info in the HiP.guide.

trydowave · 08 November 2013, 14:34

On another note: I installed delitracker II successfully. I tried one of the 100 hq mods and it says out of memory. Typical game mods like Project X are fine. I'm starting to think some of these mods require an expanded amiga.

28 October 2013, 16:28	#1
trydowave Registered User Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: N/A Posts: 873	A600 2mb ram vs A1200 ACA1232 music player question Hi. I have two Amigas with 4gb CF HDDS. One is the A1200 which I always post about on these forums. Specs A1200 3.1, ACA 1232 128mb, indi MK2 and an A600. 1mb standard with 1mb expansion. I'm playing a 100 collection mod pack on eagle player on both systems but the A600 cant handle it. Channels sometimes seem out of sync and its slower as well. Does anyone know why this would be happening? Alot of these mods are very high quality and have lots of sampled speech etc.

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28 October 2013, 17:27	#2
daxb Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 3,303	What kind of mods and size and amount of channels? How does HippoPlayer play?

29 October 2013, 04:13	#3
Hewitson Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Age: 41 Posts: 3,772	There must be some extra options enabled. An Amiga will NEVER struggle to play a mod, actually the replayer uses very little CPU power.

29 October 2013, 10:00	#4
tomcat666 Retro Freak Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Slovenia Age: 51 Posts: 1,647	Where can one get this 100 collection mod pack ?

29 October 2013, 10:12	#5
hooverphonique ex. demoscener "Bigmama" Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Fyn / Denmark Posts: 1,624	what daxb said.. there's most likely mods in there with more than 4 channels, thus requiring cpu mixing..

29 October 2013, 11:45	#6
trydowave Registered User Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: N/A Posts: 873	The mod collection can be found here, mid right, download section: http://modp3.mikendezign.com/ I havent heard of Hippoplayer but ill give it a go. Is it the case that the A600s weaker cpu could have trouble playing more complicated mods? Cheers

29 October 2013, 12:07	#7
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,645	Definitely impossible. But keep in mind some MODs might need more memory than 1MB.

29 October 2013, 12:47	#8
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,337	Later versions of EaglePlayer has options which require more horsepower than the bare 7MHz 68k can handle and need to be disabled. i.e. 14-bit note player, the visualisers etc. Try an different program to for playback. A slim modplayer.

29 October 2013, 15:26	#9
trydowave Registered User Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: N/A Posts: 873	Any recommendations for slimmer mod players? Also. I have a 1mb expansion in my A600 so it totals 2mb. Would this make a difference or would it make no difference as its not chip ram. Cheers Tony

29 October 2013, 15:48	#10
demolition Unregistered User Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Copenhagen / DK Age: 43 Posts: 4,190	Some mod players have players which locate the samples in fast mem, which requires a lot more CPU power. You don't need this since you only have chipmem anyway. I have used HippoPlayer on my plain A600 and never had an issue with it.

29 October 2013, 20:56	#11
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,645	Yeah it seems you might be using a 14 bit replayer or something. Use only the true hardware player.

02 November 2013, 17:16	#12
trydowave Registered User Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: N/A Posts: 873	I tried to install hippo player but its complaining about not having the right library or something. I imagine its going to need plugins as well to play the various mods. Can someone out there pls give me a link to the other files needed (and where I should put them). Thanks Tony

02 November 2013, 17:46	#14
trydowave Registered User Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: N/A Posts: 873	Is there a player you can recommend Fitzsteve that has everything included and runs straight out of the box so to speak?

02 November 2013, 18:23	#15
fitzsteve Professional slacker! Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Kent, UK Age: 44 Posts: 6,683	Classic Workbench 68k & GAAE already has Hippo player installed so you could try using Classic Workbench since evrything is setup, pre configured and ready to go.

02 November 2013, 18:55	#16
Jope - Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Helsinki / Finland Age: 43 Posts: 9,861	Off the top of my head, hippo player needs req.library and that's about it. No point in installing an entire WB distro if you only need that one lib. :-D

07 November 2013, 18:26	#17
trydowave Registered User Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: N/A Posts: 873	Jope: I got req.library (I think) from aminet. Out of the 27 files it extracted it had one drawer called libs with req.library in it. I transferred this file to libs in Workbench. When starting Hippoplayer I get the following guru like message: HIP rozen no Reqtools.library V38+! Not sure what this means. I'm guessing the file didn't work or i'm still missing something? Thanks Tony

07 November 2013, 22:47	#19
daxb Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 3,303	req.library is not equal reqtools.library what is a must have library everybody will need sooner or later. The Aminet HippoPlayer Archive has everything you need, including a kick1.3 reqtools.library version. Read install.readme. For kick3.1 you will use V39.3. More info in the HiP.guide.

08 November 2013, 14:34	#20
trydowave Registered User Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: N/A Posts: 873	On another note: I installed delitracker II successfully. I tried one of the 100 hq mods and it says out of memory. Typical game mods like Project X are fine. I'm starting to think some of these mods require an expanded amiga.

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