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So where are we then with the ECS flickerfixer. The Demand question can easily be answered by looking at the market on ebay. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Amiga-Ind...kAAOSw0u5alx-Y
This one went for double they cost new!. So If I ever want one of these do I need to pay the ebay premium or is it best to wait?? Online Amiga hardware suppliers have added this item as discontinued or no longer available, but here is suggesting Individual just doesn't see the demand yet.. or am I missing something? Chris at Amiga Kit told me Individual are concentrating on "other Projects" instead? |
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If I thought there was a market for Amiga hardware I’d quit my job and do it full time. I just about break even with my efforts to supply Amiga users with products.
The TF328 has sold about 3-400 units between myself supaduper and alenppc... demand is falling off. That wouldn’t have been enough sales to make an assembly run viable. The demand isn’t there. |
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I believe otherwise, I think the Retro computer scene is picking up.
I think this could be thanks to You Tubers. (8 bit guy, modern vintage gamer, nostalgia nerd, retromancave, Dan Wood etc..) |
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The problem for the makers/manufacturers of these projects is more that demand doesn't stay anyway constant, but dips and dives at indeterminable times.
There may be certain months of the year that hundreds of people have cash to spend on their hobby, other times thousands don't so stuff goes unsold! It's basically just what it is. |
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I agree with this in general but this is increasing demand for the original units rather than expensive upgrades. People have choked at spending £50 on the TF328... and accused me of ripping them off. retro may be on the up but users are really tight with pennies |
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Part of this is because an Amiga isn't any more a must-have piece of hardware in the home. PCs are - and so things like peripherals; gfx cards, USB extenders etc are all in demand especially with new games and demanding applications coming out all the time. This just isn't happening with the Amiga.
People will only spend when they feel they have disposable income to waste on obsolete and irrelevant hardware, and because the Amiga is obsolete they don't feel they can justify the (entirely understandable) extra cost that such small production runs entail. |
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Admitted I noticed that certain times of the year, present better sales but that could be said of any business. I build retro tower systems and offering something different always brings interest. Modern with retro, although the build quality has to be as near perfect as possible. Again not an easy task by any means, specially when it is not geared up for manufacture. |
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I don't think (eg.) Amibay can tell us anything about demand. Other retro products end up on Amazon, in real bricks & mortar stores, in gadget shops that put out catalogues and advertise in magazines, even as special sales in supermarkets like Aldi or Lidl. They're priced as impulse purchase or a present, they're plug-in-and-go type products and you can have them straight away. Some of the comments about the C64 Mini show we're bit sniffy about convenience, but that's what people expect. That's why Amiga stuff doesn't sell, because most of it is a faff that only a few of us take any pleasure in. |
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Something else I noticed, since the Vampire 600/500 was released demand for the Amiga 600/500 increased, proving that new hardware does help the Amiga. TF accelerators are also in demand, only I have yet to see them on Amigakit. I am amazed that Amigakit haven't thought of producing TF's of their own? Offering the original designer a small % of sales. |
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It's just not worth the initial outlay if you cannot guarantee that you're going to sell them all. Even producing 500 new boards with components on it isn't a sure thing, not for a community as small as that surrounding the Amiga. |
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So sale of finished product, seriously outweighs the cost of producing the product. You could also do what Commodore did to MOS, order a S*** load of micro chips, promise to pay them and then don't! This then resulted in MOS going into receivership, in which Commodore snapped them up and acquired full ownership of said company. |
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I'm fairly certain that sort of behaviour would be cause for a brief stint inside these days but feel free to give it a shot
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Interesting. I’ve had very good coverage of the model from the retro hour. Basically I face 2 issues. The first one is CE marking. I own a private company that is nothing to do with Amiga and if I had a product that I knew for absolute sure would sell I’d keep it closed source and sell it. But if I did that I’d need CE testing. Specially EMC testing is the pain point. It would cost between 1 and 2000 pounds. Second is support. If I sell a commercial product there is a level of support expectation. Sellers get slaughtered on the forums for not responding immediately to requests... i would probably need employees to cover my holidays etc. To be able to get past both issues I’d need presales of 1000 units or make the prices sky high. Then I am under pressure to deliver. The alternative model is to open source the designs so the community can own the designs and probably can make their own... cheaper and maybe more sustainable long term. |
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They are free to sell them without giving me a penny. But they aren’t CE marked so can’t be sold in Europe commercially |
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In regards to your last post I was just trying to show fairness to you, the original designer. |
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Then it's not only curtains it's 500 people with pitchforks coming after you and wanting blood. Not worth the risk in my opinion. |
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