Playing games at PAL speed in NTSC?

EmuChicken · 14 March 2007, 06:55

Ok, I've now got a colour picture on my amiga, but IF I set up the system as NTSC in Workbench, and if the games set as NTSC in the WHDLoad prefs.

I get a pic using the red yellow and white connectors, the picture qualitys ok-ish, but all the games run at the stupidest speeds (music and gameplay), and the whole screen is completely offset (in games)

so... does anyone know if theres a piece of software that slows ntsc games to pal speeds without adjusting the resolution?

... adding to the problems, a so-called-friend broke one button on my keyboard when he borrowed the amiga, then claimed its how he got it... grr!

dont you just hate people like that... no apology, just sees the amiga as an old piece of kit... ITS MY BABY, BITCH!

Jope · 14 March 2007, 08:17

No option really but to run the Amiga in a PAL screenmode. Does your TV sync to 50Hz?

Is the Amiga PAL or NTSC to begin with? The composite output does not change colour encodings when you change your Amiga's screenmode.. It will always output PAL if it's a PAL machine or NTSC if it's an NTSC machine, only the vertical refresh rate will change.

EmuChicken · 14 March 2007, 11:36

Its a PAL amiga, but NTSC tv, ... I bought a converter so I have it in colour NTSC mode... and games run TOOOO FAAAST!

Jope · 14 March 2007, 12:27

So the converter will only work at 60Hz and display a mess when you're running at 50Hz?

EmuChicken · 14 March 2007, 14:18

if 50hz is pal and 60 is ntsc... then yes...
faster-than-normal amiga games are just not cool :/

Jope · 14 March 2007, 15:02

Ah.. Then there's no option for you.. You need a display that can do 50Hz and some way to get it to understand the Amiga's video signal.

There's no way to properly slow down the games as they're synced to the vertical refresh.

pbareges · 14 March 2007, 15:12

man! buy yourself an xrgb2 box, i think you can find some real cheap ones over there(in japan, where they're made i think)...then connect your amiga to your usual vga display with crystal pure display!

Shoonay · 14 March 2007, 16:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by EmuChicken

Its a PAL amiga, but NTSC tv, ... I bought a converter so I have it in colour NTSC mode... and games run TOOOO FAAAST!

Don't know about Japan TV's, but come on, they SHOULD be multi mode with both PAL & NTSC support, don't they? Well, I know I assume that by having a noname quality TV build-on-japanese-tv-specs with such options... but that's european standards i suppose :/
The same goes for the Amiga - since when they check the TV mode and run PAL games faster when they "see" a NTSC tv?

For starters, i would check WHDLoad in such modes... how about Dyna Blaster with the right menu at the startup?

coze · 14 March 2007, 16:55

No, multimode tv's are an oddity only found in duty free shops in Japan. Normal tv sets are not PAL capable. I know this well cause I suffer the same problem.

And the games do not 'see' the NTSC tv. He sets the NTSC option in the whdload.prefs, so they work in NTSC mode. Which is naturally faster. I don't think there's a workaround for this. You have to run them in PAL with a proper screen. Xrgb's still cost a good $100 even in Japan. And make sure your vga monitor is 50Hz capable, or you gonna end up with stupid error messages like me.

Shoonay · 14 March 2007, 17:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by coze

No, multimode tv's are an oddity only found in duty free shops in Japan.

How strange these japanese are

Anyways, in that case it's some RGB converter only... or a PC with a TV card?

EmuChicken · 15 March 2007, 00:12

couldnt find the xrgb2 box, but I could find this:

http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-...en-70-2cs.html

you reckon this would sort my problem out?

Jope · 15 March 2007, 07:15

It doesn't do RGB, so you'll end up with a blurry picture. If you can live with the composite quality, then go for it.

Another option would be to get/make an RGB -> YPbPr converter and use the component input for a good quality picture.

EmuChicken · 15 March 2007, 15:35

but then I still couldnt view the stuff on the tv cos it'd be in pal rather than ntsc right?

coze · 15 March 2007, 16:51

No you can't. That is not a PAL/NTSC converter. I think you should forget about playing games on the NTSC tv. It's useless. You have two choices, get a proper multimode tv from a dutyfree shop (cost ~12.000 yen, good solution but takes up a lot of space, if you can not get rid of your old tv), or get an XRGB and use it on your PC monitor. You can't find xrgb on retail shops anymore, you have to look at auctions.yahoo.co.jp .

14 March 2007, 06:55	#1
EmuChicken Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nagoya, Japan (moved!) Age: 41 Posts: 746	Playing games at PAL speed in NTSC? Ok, I've now got a colour picture on my amiga, but IF I set up the system as NTSC in Workbench, and if the games set as NTSC in the WHDLoad prefs. I get a pic using the red yellow and white connectors, the picture qualitys ok-ish, but all the games run at the stupidest speeds (music and gameplay), and the whole screen is completely offset (in games) so... does anyone know if theres a piece of software that slows ntsc games to pal speeds without adjusting the resolution? ... adding to the problems, a so-called-friend broke one button on my keyboard when he borrowed the amiga, then claimed its how he got it... grr! dont you just hate people like that... no apology, just sees the amiga as an old piece of kit... ITS MY BABY, BITCH!

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14 March 2007, 08:17	#2
Jope - Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Helsinki / Finland Age: 43 Posts: 9,861	No option really but to run the Amiga in a PAL screenmode. Does your TV sync to 50Hz? Is the Amiga PAL or NTSC to begin with? The composite output does not change colour encodings when you change your Amiga's screenmode.. It will always output PAL if it's a PAL machine or NTSC if it's an NTSC machine, only the vertical refresh rate will change.

14 March 2007, 11:36	#3
EmuChicken Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nagoya, Japan (moved!) Age: 41 Posts: 746	Its a PAL amiga, but NTSC tv, ... I bought a converter so I have it in colour NTSC mode... and games run TOOOO FAAAST!

14 March 2007, 12:27	#4
Jope - Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Helsinki / Finland Age: 43 Posts: 9,861	So the converter will only work at 60Hz and display a mess when you're running at 50Hz?

14 March 2007, 14:18	#5
EmuChicken Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nagoya, Japan (moved!) Age: 41 Posts: 746	if 50hz is pal and 60 is ntsc... then yes... faster-than-normal amiga games are just not cool :/

14 March 2007, 15:02	#6
Jope - Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Helsinki / Finland Age: 43 Posts: 9,861	Ah.. Then there's no option for you.. You need a display that can do 50Hz and some way to get it to understand the Amiga's video signal. There's no way to properly slow down the games as they're synced to the vertical refresh.

14 March 2007, 15:12	#7
pbareges Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: montreal / canada Age: 47 Posts: 722	man! buy yourself an xrgb2 box, i think you can find some real cheap ones over there(in japan, where they're made i think)...then connect your amiga to your usual vga display with crystal pure display!

14 March 2007, 16:55	#9
coze hastala vista winny vista Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: mt fuji Age: 46 Posts: 1,335	No, multimode tv's are an oddity only found in duty free shops in Japan. Normal tv sets are not PAL capable. I know this well cause I suffer the same problem. And the games do not 'see' the NTSC tv. He sets the NTSC option in the whdload.prefs, so they work in NTSC mode. Which is naturally faster. I don't think there's a workaround for this. You have to run them in PAL with a proper screen. Xrgb's still cost a good $100 even in Japan. And make sure your vga monitor is 50Hz capable, or you gonna end up with stupid error messages like me.

15 March 2007, 00:12	#11
EmuChicken Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nagoya, Japan (moved!) Age: 41 Posts: 746	couldnt find the xrgb2 box, but I could find this: http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-...en-70-2cs.html you reckon this would sort my problem out?

15 March 2007, 07:15	#12
Jope - Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Helsinki / Finland Age: 43 Posts: 9,861	It doesn't do RGB, so you'll end up with a blurry picture. If you can live with the composite quality, then go for it. Another option would be to get/make an RGB -> YPbPr converter and use the component input for a good quality picture.

15 March 2007, 15:35	#13
EmuChicken Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nagoya, Japan (moved!) Age: 41 Posts: 746	but then I still couldnt view the stuff on the tv cos it'd be in pal rather than ntsc right?

15 March 2007, 16:51	#14
coze hastala vista winny vista Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: mt fuji Age: 46 Posts: 1,335	No you can't. That is not a PAL/NTSC converter. I think you should forget about playing games on the NTSC tv. It's useless. You have two choices, get a proper multimode tv from a dutyfree shop (cost ~12.000 yen, good solution but takes up a lot of space, if you can not get rid of your old tv), or get an XRGB and use it on your PC monitor. You can't find xrgb on retail shops anymore, you have to look at auctions.yahoo.co.jp .

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