27 September 2010, 16:25 | #1 |
Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: UK
Posts: 228
|
2GHZ Motorola CPU for Amiga?
I would love to see someone making it for Amiga but i cant see it happening
|
27 September 2010, 16:36 | #2 |
Zone Friend
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Gargore
Age: 43
Posts: 17,789
|
And what will you do with that? Horsepower is not everything, you need also some magic combined with art
|
27 September 2010, 17:20 | #3 |
Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Telford / England
Posts: 38
|
Well... there was promise of Amiga accelerators based on Motorola (Freescale) ColdFire processors.
Never happened though :-/ We will just have to face up to the fact that the Amiga is a forgotten platform which will only receive the most limited development, undertaken usually by tech-savvy fans. Even the X1000 may not live up to the hype (or even reach market). It's not even an Amiga, in the classic sense. It's merely a moderately decent collection of bespoke and off-the-shelf hardware running AmigaOS. |
28 September 2010, 07:54 | #4 | |
Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: UK
Posts: 497
|
Quote:
I would like to see various benchmarks for UAE on the latest Intel i7 on the fastest settings. Even if the benchmarks are inaccurate under emulation. Emulated 68k Amigas have had a better price/performance ratio than "the real thing" for many years now. |
|
28 September 2010, 08:01 | #5 |
WinUAE developer
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland
Age: 49
Posts: 26,502
|
3.5MHz chipset bus clock would kill the performance in any non-computation tasks.. And if you don't need chipset, use Aros or something like that
I have i7 920 @4GHz if you need stupid benchmark results.. |
28 September 2010, 08:30 | #6 |
Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Melbourne/Australia
Posts: 4,400
|
YEP that's true. The reason the A1000 was so powerful was its custom chipset working together with the CPU, after you get above an 020 it's normally faster to just use the CPU.
That said, I would love to see a 100Mhz 060 with modern memory just to see what could be done with AGA |
28 September 2010, 13:58 | #7 |
Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Poland
Posts: 339
|
That's depends what you understand under "Amiga" word. :-)
Amiga - Classic line where 3,5MHz or ZORRO II/III are bottleneck Amiga - AmigaOne, Sam, Pegasos, others where you have native PCI slots So the real question is: "For which Amiga?" |
28 September 2010, 15:40 | #8 |
Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: UK
Posts: 497
|
And I thought the 4GHz models were an urban myth. Got water cooling?
I would be very interested to see such benchmark results if you have time. Could well be the fastest Amiga on earth. I got something like a 900MHz 68040 in AIBB when running WinUAE + Direct JIT on my Core 2 Duo 2GHz. Not sure if that was accurate, or the result of benchmarking going awry under emulation. (The same machine gives around 200MHz Pentium performance with DOSBox's x86-to-x86 JIT.) Last edited by Mequa; 28 September 2010 at 18:14. |
28 September 2010, 16:23 | #9 | |
WinUAE developer
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland
Age: 49
Posts: 26,502
|
Quote:
i7 920 is the best ever CPU for overclocking. (second best is Celeron 300A ) Just say what benchmarks to do (do not ask anything silly like SysInfo or anything that gives random frequency values, they don't really mean anything) |
|
28 September 2010, 16:49 | #10 |
Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: UK
Posts: 497
|
Perhaps you could benchmark the Amiga port of Quake 1 with JIT and RTG at 1024x768 or higher ("timerefresh" at console should give FPS).
(Whoops, meant "AIBB" in earlier post. This gives funky results with max JIT.) Last edited by Mequa; 28 September 2010 at 18:14. |
28 September 2010, 17:43 | #11 | |
Banned
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: France
Posts: 478
|
Quote:
also please post your sysinfo results |
|
28 September 2010, 18:04 | #12 |
Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: UK
Posts: 497
|
Another thing I'm curious about:
Is WinUAE on a monster i7 fast enough to run AmigaOS/68k E-UAE with AGA games at full speed? I know it's pointless in practice. But to run UAE on UAE at a decent speed is quite technically impressive. (Even if only x86 UAE has JIT.) |
28 September 2010, 19:06 | #13 |
WinUAE developer
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland
Age: 49
Posts: 26,502
|
Quake: too much work, sorry.
Sysinfo: screenshot attached but sysinfo is crap test program, its accuracy sucks when CPU gets too fast. |
28 September 2010, 20:27 | #14 |
Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Amigaville
Age: 46
Posts: 3,334
|
Your Amiga out performs a Cray 1 Toni... Is there something you are not telling us?
I bet you run Windows 7 emulated on a 500 P.S Did ANYONE actually phone Nic Wilson when it says in the comment box 'Phone me NOW!!!!' ? I wonder what he'd say if he received a call today |
28 September 2010, 20:45 | #15 | |
Banned
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: France
Posts: 478
|
Quote:
it seems that sysinfo stop to report anything high than around 800 mips I had an athlon xp 3000 and reported 800 mips...now I have an athlon x2 which is a bit faster but still reports 800 mips |
|
29 September 2010, 05:33 | #16 |
Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: UK
Posts: 497
|
Quake benchmarks
I got 900+ MIPS in my SysInfo results (enclosed).
As for Quake on WinUAE: I found that this port of Quake 1.09 was a bit faster than the Clickboom edition, so decided to test that (with PC Quake data files). On my laptop (HP Pavilion dv9000 series, model dv9299ea), which has Intel Core 2 Duo T7200 @ 2GHz CPU and nVidia GeForce Go 7600 GPU, I decided to benchmark WinUAE with the fastest JIT settings and RTG by running a simple "timerefresh" test in Quake immediately on starting a new game. Just for fun, I compared the results with the latest version of DOSBox (max CPU settings) and Quake 1.07 (the last version I could find for DOS). Let's just say, the results were interesting: (resolution): WinUAE -- DOSBox - WinUAE (no JIT) -DOSBox (no JIT) 320x240 --- 138 fps -- 52 fps --- 9.5 fps --------- 7.8 fps 640x400 --- 61 fps --- 28 fps --- 5.6 fps --------- 4.2 fps 640x480 --- 52 fps --- 24 fps --- 5 fps ----------- 3.6 fps 800x600 --- 37 fps --- 18 fps --- 3.7 fps --------- 2.8 fps 1024x768 -- 24 fps --- 12 fps --- 2.5 fps --------- 2 fps 1152x864 -- 19 fps --- 10 fps --- 2.1 fps --------- 1.7 fps (Also got 14fps in 1440x900 with WinUAE + JIT - though WS modes can be buggy) For comparison purposes, the native WinQuake build (without 3D acceleration) can struggle to reach 60fps in 1024x768 on this setup. Looks like WinUAE's JIT performed around twice as fast as DOSBox. Not bad. I'd like to see how fast WinUAE does on an i7. Could it push 60fps in Quake at 1024x768 or even 1920x1080? Last edited by Mequa; 30 September 2010 at 00:49. Reason: Added DOSBox (no JIT) results for comparison |
29 September 2010, 11:15 | #17 |
Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: UK
Posts: 457
|
Did you try "dynamic recompilation", which i think is another name for JIT, for the cpu emulation in dosbox?
|
29 September 2010, 13:35 | #18 |
WinUAE developer
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland
Age: 49
Posts: 26,502
|
Comparing different platforms is silly..
Quake testing: I'll do it if there is single archive (without original quake pak files) that can be unpacked to empty directory. Anything more complex: not worth the trouble. |
29 September 2010, 16:22 | #19 | |
Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: UK
Posts: 497
|
Quote:
Edit: I just added the results in DOSBox without dynamic/JIT for comparison purposes. Last edited by Mequa; 29 September 2010 at 16:45. |
|
29 September 2010, 16:47 | #20 | |
Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: UK
Posts: 457
|
Quote:
But this comparison as Tony said is just silly. In any case, the dosbox team don't care about optimising it (i should say, prefer correctness VS speed), and it uses SDL, so maybe that's the reason it is sooooooo slow. |
|
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests) | |
Thread Tools | |
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Motorola 060 cpu question | jimmer78 | support.Hardware | 5 | 08 February 2013 21:49 |
A600 Motorola 68010 cpu. | lolafg | Hardware mods | 32 | 16 October 2009 04:53 |
[Found: Vyrus + Motorola Invaders 2] Vertical scroller set inside an amiga | gmiaow | Looking for a game name ? | 4 | 22 October 2008 17:20 |
Motorola 68010 CPU | whiteb | MarketPlace | 0 | 26 September 2002 05:37 |
Motorola 060 CPU's For Sale | jmmijo | MarketPlace | 0 | 29 April 2002 04:18 |
|
|