What games you played in NTSC??

JudasEZT · 22 March 2005, 20:27

What games you played in NTSC to get more fps??

I remember to have to use NTSC mode in R-Type2 for avoid some terrible slowdowns.
Also with StDragon, but still having slowdowns =(

someone used NTSC??

22 March 2005, 20:36

Anything that would work in NTSC! My aim wasn't to speed things up. The black area at the bottom of the screen always annoyed me so I used NTSC mode to stretch the graphics to a larger portion of the screen. Street Fighter 2 is a good example, Eye of the beholder games too.

Shoonay · 22 March 2005, 20:50

It depends...
... some games, were just way TOO fast in the NTSC mode, for my old wooden hands to achieve anything... and while other games could not get into the NTSC mode... (LEMMINGS - WHY?

... yeah, i know someone from the WHDLoad team did explain that... somewhere...)

But i'll say:
adventures (Secret of the Monkey Island 1 / 2);
arcades (Bubble Bobble);
rpg's (Eye of the Beholder 1 / 2);
racers (Stunt Car Racer / TNT)
... just love the NTSC mode

Npl · 22 March 2005, 21:47

On real AMI: none
On WinUAE: every scrolling Game that supports it ( my TFT aint supporting 50Hz

)

Bamiga2002 · 22 March 2005, 22:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shoonay

It depends...
... some games, were just way TOO fast in the NTSC mode, for my old wooden hands to achieve anything... and while other games could not get into the NTSC mode... (LEMMINGS - WHY?

... yeah, i know someone from the WHDLoad team did explain that... somewhere...)

But aren't you able to switch to NTSC-mode with TAB-key in Lemmings?

Shoonay · 22 March 2005, 22:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bamiga2002

But aren't you able to switch to NTSC-mode with TAB-key in Lemmings?

What?

Haaa?

Where?

You mean it?

No way!

-----===== EDIT =====-----
O! M! G!

Just tested it, and it works!!!

Cheers to you, Bamiga2002

Cheers to Mr. Larmer & Psygore

Amiga1992 · 23 March 2005, 03:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bamiga2002

But aren't you able to switch to NTSC-mode with TAB-key in Lemmings?

YES but it is actually SLOWER than in PAL mode. However, in Lemmings 2, it goes faster. Dunno why.

I did this with many games to get rid of that ugly border and to get more FPS out of it. Lemmings 2, Street Fighter 2, Lotus 2, to name but a few.

TjLaZer · 23 March 2005, 07:15

I use NTSC mode all the time! Love the full screen!

But if the game is full PAL then I use PAL.

ST Dragon · 31 March 2005, 11:19

I tried NTSC in Turrican 2 & the voices & music are faster. The voices sound funny.

Amiga1992 · 31 March 2005, 15:53

Turrican 2 is a game NOT designed for NTSC.

manicx · 31 March 2005, 16:38

Great topic since I wanted to ask a few things. I recently bought a TFT screen that cannot handle <57Hz. Therefore, my scandoubler in the A4000 cannot display PAL, so I had to use the mobo jumper and have my A4000 boot in NTSC. NTSC works just fine.

However, when I tried to play KO2, the game was too fast and the bottom of the screen was not displayed so I couldn't see the time left as well as the score and the players name.

I read, that some games should support NTSC. Support meaning to be displayed properly? Do I get the extra speed/fps anyway? This is important for me cos I love KO2 and since one of my pals disassembled the code we can make some additions up to a point. The game is just too fast with extra speed and we may have to alter the speed decrease option say to 90% (insted of 50%) to get this one properly...

TikTok · 31 March 2005, 19:07

Formula One Grand Prix and Frontier used to gain a few frames per second in NTSC mode.

Amiga1992 · 31 March 2005, 20:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by manicx

I read, that some games should support NTSC. Support meaning to be displayed properly? .

Yes, but the speed is increased. I do not know a single game that has been designed with NTSC in mind so most of them that do work fine, will be accelerated. It's not an acceleration to not consider,, for it's something like a 14% increase if I remember correctly.

KO2 is not a game supporting NTSC, as you noticed, the scren gets chopped, and lots of things can happen this way. I read somewhere (forgot, must have been some posts by Codetapper) that when this happens the Amiga is trying to render lines where there's no screen so thiscan actually lead to SOWDOWN instead of speedup. Games like Turrican, when in NTSC mode, get excessive flicker adn slowdowns when lots of shit happens in the scren.

So I am not sure if you can NTSC fix this game,. Being the popular game that i tis there MUST be an NTSC version, then again, americans were never huge soccer fans so maybe here is no official NTSC version of KO2, only hacked NTSC fix cracks that might not work properly...

TjLaZer · 31 March 2005, 21:40

Some games you cannot get to run in NTSC, like Carthage, Chaos Engine AGA, and some others. Even with a NTSC tooltype! It is quite sad as these games do not use the whole 256 lines (PAL) but require a PAL screen to work!

Marcuz · 31 March 2005, 23:39

Perihelion had a built in ntsc mode, you could chose it in the first character building screen, by clicking on something; also it had a message from programmers showing off if you clicked on the eagle eye on the same screen

edit: by the way, is it possible to get to the preboot screen built in Amiga1200 on winuae? i've tryed some times with no luck
edit2: ok it is if you keep the buttons pressed while resetting amiga

just found.

but is possible to switch PAL NTSC within Winuae emulation while something is running?

spiff · 07 April 2005, 16:53

Not shure if this goes for all the games.. but the ones I ran in NTSC looked like crap since the aspect got all wacked, so apart from lotus I think it was, none.

ST Dragon · 08 April 2005, 09:53

BC Kid. The sound is not fast enough in PAL

spiff · 08 April 2005, 12:39

Then again.. we who emulate can run NTSC to get the speed..and then change the aspect back to PAL again

squirminator2k · 08 April 2005, 15:53

I've only ever played 2 games in NTSC Mode: Fury of the Furries (it flows better) and Flink (because I would constantly toggle between the two modes by accident!).

22 March 2005, 20:27	#1
JudasEZT Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Location: mercury Posts: 577	What games you played in NTSC?? What games you played in NTSC to get more fps?? I remember to have to use NTSC mode in R-Type2 for avoid some terrible slowdowns. Also with StDragon, but still having slowdowns =( someone used NTSC??

31 March 2005, 23:39	#15
Marcuz Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: . Age: 48 Posts: 5,562	Perihelion had a built in ntsc mode, you could chose it in the first character building screen, by clicking on something; also it had a message from programmers showing off if you clicked on the eagle eye on the same screen edit: by the way, is it possible to get to the preboot screen built in Amiga1200 on winuae? i've tryed some times with no luck edit2: ok it is if you keep the buttons pressed while resetting amiga just found. but is possible to switch PAL NTSC within Winuae emulation while something is running? Last edited by Marcuz; 31 March 2005 at 23:46.

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22 March 2005, 20:36	#2
oldpx Posts: n/a	Anything that would work in NTSC! My aim wasn't to speed things up. The black area at the bottom of the screen always annoyed me so I used NTSC mode to stretch the graphics to a larger portion of the screen. Street Fighter 2 is a good example, Eye of the beholder games too.

22 March 2005, 20:50	#3
Shoonay Global Caturator Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Porando Age: 43 Posts: 6,106	It depends... ... some games, were just way TOO fast in the NTSC mode, for my old wooden hands to achieve anything... and while other games could not get into the NTSC mode... (LEMMINGS - WHY? ... yeah, i know someone from the WHDLoad team did explain that... somewhere...) But i'll say: adventures (Secret of the Monkey Island 1 / 2); arcades (Bubble Bobble); rpg's (Eye of the Beholder 1 / 2); racers (Stunt Car Racer / TNT) ... just love the NTSC mode

22 March 2005, 21:47	#4
Npl Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Vienna / Austria Age: 44 Posts: 257	On real AMI: none On WinUAE: every scrolling Game that supports it ( my TFT aint supporting 50Hz )

23 March 2005, 07:15	#8
TjLaZer Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Tacoma, WA USA Age: 52 Posts: 1,918	I use NTSC mode all the time! Love the full screen! But if the game is full PAL then I use PAL.

31 March 2005, 11:19	#9
ST Dragon Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: home Posts: 171	I tried NTSC in Turrican 2 & the voices & music are faster. The voices sound funny.

31 March 2005, 15:53	#10
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,645	Turrican 2 is a game NOT designed for NTSC.

31 March 2005, 16:38	#11
manicx Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Athens, Greece Posts: 991	Great topic since I wanted to ask a few things. I recently bought a TFT screen that cannot handle <57Hz. Therefore, my scandoubler in the A4000 cannot display PAL, so I had to use the mobo jumper and have my A4000 boot in NTSC. NTSC works just fine. However, when I tried to play KO2, the game was too fast and the bottom of the screen was not displayed so I couldn't see the time left as well as the score and the players name. I read, that some games should support NTSC. Support meaning to be displayed properly? Do I get the extra speed/fps anyway? This is important for me cos I love KO2 and since one of my pals disassembled the code we can make some additions up to a point. The game is just too fast with extra speed and we may have to alter the speed decrease option say to 90% (insted of 50%) to get this one properly...

31 March 2005, 19:07	#12
TikTok Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Malayasia Age: 43 Posts: 657	Formula One Grand Prix and Frontier used to gain a few frames per second in NTSC mode.

31 March 2005, 21:40	#14
TjLaZer Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Tacoma, WA USA Age: 52 Posts: 1,918	Some games you cannot get to run in NTSC, like Carthage, Chaos Engine AGA, and some others. Even with a NTSC tooltype! It is quite sad as these games do not use the whole 256 lines (PAL) but require a PAL screen to work!

07 April 2005, 16:53	#16
spiff Oh noes! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Neverland Posts: 766	Not shure if this goes for all the games.. but the ones I ran in NTSC looked like crap since the aspect got all wacked, so apart from lotus I think it was, none.

08 April 2005, 09:53	#17
ST Dragon Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: home Posts: 171	BC Kid. The sound is not fast enough in PAL

08 April 2005, 12:39	#18
spiff Oh noes! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Neverland Posts: 766	Then again.. we who emulate can run NTSC to get the speed..and then change the aspect back to PAL again

08 April 2005, 15:53	#19
squirminator2k Dream17 / PortsCenter guy Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Los Angeles Age: 38 Posts: 311	I've only ever played 2 games in NTSC Mode: Fury of the Furries (it flows better) and Flink (because I would constantly toggle between the two modes by accident!).

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