FIRE & ICE vs SUPERFROG - WHICH IS BEST? - Page 3

rare_j · 19 May 2018, 01:20

Really expected to like superfrog and was surprised when almost immediately I didn't.
Agree with all the criticisms. However completely understand why people did enjoy it.

Fire and Ice on the other hand, nice level design, nice controls, graphics and music, great game. Easily up there with the best of the western console platformers.

Twiggy · 19 May 2018, 17:58

Fire & Ice seems to have the nicer music, graphics, more responsive controls and more enjoyable level design. So, yeah, Fire & Ice.

Probably going to play both again now...just to be sure.

LeCaravage · 20 May 2018, 10:07

Concerning Super Frog. I didn't notice the scrolling is 50img/s. Is main character also full frame rate animated ? Because it seems the rest is 25i/s.

lordofchaos · 20 May 2018, 11:01

From a gameplay perspective, I prefer Fire & Ice. Still very much enjoy Superfrog though.

Technically, I think both games have made interesting design choices or concessions. Superfrog has made fast scrolling and large screen area it's focus, hence the
Lack of parallax and other technical effects, but still boasts a nice colour count. Whilst F&I has settled for a smaller screen area, slower scrolling, freeing up resources for parallax and other cool effects, including the wonderful copper gradients.

I did notice Superfrog using some objects at half refresh rate, 25fps, whilst scrolling and main sprite updating at 50fps.

Leffmann · 20 May 2018, 11:17

IIRC Superfrog uses a clever trick where it animates large amounts of spinning coins by updating 1/3 (or maybe half) of the coins each frame. It makes the animation looks much more alive and smoother than the straight-forward solution of just updating all of them every third frame (which wouldn't be possible anyway).

Hewitson · 25 May 2018, 16:08

I would vote Fire & Ice, but games that don't run in 1 frame suck. There really is no good excuse for this game to not run at the full 50 fps.

Cobe · 26 May 2018, 01:33

Arabian Nights!
Kidding...
Never understood why people love that frog that much..
Vote for Fire and Ice

ZEUSDAZ · 26 May 2018, 05:04

Huge voting going on for this edition,...that's great! Gonna be a close battle this one :-)

Just a quick reminder to those who follow my gaming channel (and anyone who wants to come along), I'm doing a special livestream on my youtube channel (https://www.youtube.com/user/ZEUSDAZ) this Sunday at 7pm (BST) to celebrate hitting 5000 subscribers, it will be a one on one chill out and chat session with me and the Snoopster (my labrador dog) talking all kinds of stuff from retro gaming to what Snoopy likes to do, basically everyone coming together for a good chat and Q&A.

So set your reminders and come join a fun community,...much better than the rubbish on tv on sunday nights!!!

aza1810 · 27 May 2018, 22:07

Very tough choice for me as they are my 2 favourite platformers on the Amiga!

But if I had to choose one, it would have to be fire & ice for the music!

ZEUSDAZ · 15 June 2018, 19:56

Well the poll is now shut and after counting all the votes across the forums (128 votes in total) I can reveal FIRE and ICE gained 68 votes while SUPERFROG gained 60 votes, FIRE and ICE WINS!

THANKS TO ALL OF YOU WHO TOOK PART IN THE VOTING! Very Happy?

July edition coming up, please check the feeds.

OmegaMax · 15 June 2018, 20:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZEUSDAZ

I can reveal FIRE and ICE gained 68 votes while SUPERFROG gained 60 votes, FIRE and ICE WINS!

nobody · 22 June 2018, 17:41

Both of them are crap, imagine how crap they are that fire and ice won a much better -technically- game. Superfrog is too shallow and cannot stand a chance against Super Mario or Sonic.

gimbal · 22 June 2018, 18:49

Yes I always preferred playing Mario or Sonic on my Amiga.

Anubis · 22 June 2018, 19:31

This should not be question - Superfrog!

Rick Dangerous · 22 June 2018, 23:50

Well, the voting ended on June 15.

I played the two games on my Amiga decades ago. Superfrog had the better graphics but Fire&Ice had better gameplay & music.
That's my opinion.
Today I still have my very first Amiga 500 from 1987 but I didn't used it for years. But I know (and hope) that when I start it it will work as it used to do for more than 15 years.
Best Jump&Run game to me is 'The Great Giana Sisters'.
I finished all the levels long time ago.
Some pals and me practised a lot in this game and held often just a contest: Fastest passing of the first levels without concentration on collecting anything. Just running through...

This contest was impossible in Fire&Ice because you needed to collect the parts of the key to gain access to the next level.
Superfrog was too boring to us. It had nice graphics - especially the animations - but it was not that captivating.

Cheers,
Rick

TurboCrash · 23 June 2018, 00:04

Between these two I would vote for Prehistorik of course

Ian · 23 June 2018, 00:08

Fire and Ice for the simple fact they haven't remade it for steam and totally f#@ked up any fond memories I might have had for the game.

nobody · 23 June 2018, 03:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by gimbal

Yes I always preferred playing Mario or Sonic on my Amiga.

You can play them now, compare and see why SNES sold 40 million 1991-96 and the Amiga was dead at 1994 combined with the pressure from the PC in whatever games the consoles couldn't do (strategy, rpg etc) that the PC did better.

haynor666 · 07 May 2019, 18:15

Superfrog

Right now I'm playing Fire+Ice CD32 and does not play as great as Superfrog despite it have more detailed graphics, great backgrounds in AGA version. It just too slow to me.

Nobby_UK · 07 May 2019, 18:29

SuperFrog +1

26 May 2018, 05:04	#48
ZEUSDAZ Registered User Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: England Posts: 743	Huge voting going on for this edition,...that's great! Gonna be a close battle this one :-) Just a quick reminder to those who follow my gaming channel (and anyone who wants to come along), I'm doing a special livestream on my youtube channel (https://www.youtube.com/user/ZEUSDAZ) this Sunday at 7pm (BST) to celebrate hitting 5000 subscribers, it will be a one on one chill out and chat session with me and the Snoopster (my labrador dog) talking all kinds of stuff from retro gaming to what Snoopy likes to do, basically everyone coming together for a good chat and Q&A. So set your reminders and come join a fun community,...much better than the rubbish on tv on sunday nights!!! Last edited by ZEUSDAZ; 02 July 2022 at 00:54.

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19 May 2018, 01:20	#41
rare_j Zone Friend Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: London Posts: 1,176	Really expected to like superfrog and was surprised when almost immediately I didn't. Agree with all the criticisms. However completely understand why people did enjoy it. Fire and Ice on the other hand, nice level design, nice controls, graphics and music, great game. Easily up there with the best of the western console platformers.

19 May 2018, 17:58	#42
Twiggy \m/ Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Devon, U.K. Posts: 573	Fire & Ice seems to have the nicer music, graphics, more responsive controls and more enjoyable level design. So, yeah, Fire & Ice. Probably going to play both again now...just to be sure.

20 May 2018, 10:07	#43
LeCaravage Registered User Join Date: May 2017 Location: AmigaLand Posts: 459	Concerning Super Frog. I didn't notice the scrolling is 50img/s. Is main character also full frame rate animated ? Because it seems the rest is 25i/s.

20 May 2018, 11:01	#44
lordofchaos TinkerTailorContentMaker Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Bedfordshire Age: 45 Posts: 1,205	From a gameplay perspective, I prefer Fire & Ice. Still very much enjoy Superfrog though. Technically, I think both games have made interesting design choices or concessions. Superfrog has made fast scrolling and large screen area it's focus, hence the Lack of parallax and other technical effects, but still boasts a nice colour count. Whilst F&I has settled for a smaller screen area, slower scrolling, freeing up resources for parallax and other cool effects, including the wonderful copper gradients. I did notice Superfrog using some objects at half refresh rate, 25fps, whilst scrolling and main sprite updating at 50fps.

20 May 2018, 11:17	#45
Leffmann Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Sweden Posts: 2,269	IIRC Superfrog uses a clever trick where it animates large amounts of spinning coins by updating 1/3 (or maybe half) of the coins each frame. It makes the animation looks much more alive and smoother than the straight-forward solution of just updating all of them every third frame (which wouldn't be possible anyway).

25 May 2018, 16:08	#46
Hewitson Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Age: 41 Posts: 3,773	I would vote Fire & Ice, but games that don't run in 1 frame suck. There really is no good excuse for this game to not run at the full 50 fps.

26 May 2018, 01:33	#47
Cobe Registered User Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Belgrade / Serbia Age: 41 Posts: 999	Arabian Nights! Kidding... Never understood why people love that frog that much.. Vote for Fire and Ice

27 May 2018, 22:07	#49
aza1810 Amiga 500+ Join Date: May 2018 Location: Morecambe, UK Age: 30 Posts: 16	Very tough choice for me as they are my 2 favourite platformers on the Amiga! But if I had to choose one, it would have to be fire & ice for the music!

15 June 2018, 19:56	#50
ZEUSDAZ Registered User Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: England Posts: 743	Well the poll is now shut and after counting all the votes across the forums (128 votes in total) I can reveal FIRE and ICE gained 68 votes while SUPERFROG gained 60 votes, FIRE and ICE WINS! THANKS TO ALL OF YOU WHO TOOK PART IN THE VOTING! Very Happy? July edition coming up, please check the feeds.

22 June 2018, 17:41	#52
nobody Registered User Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: GR Age: 46 Posts: 1,416	Both of them are crap, imagine how crap they are that fire and ice won a much better -technically- game. Superfrog is too shallow and cannot stand a chance against Super Mario or Sonic.

22 June 2018, 18:49	#53
gimbal cheeky scoundrel Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Spijkenisse/Netherlands Age: 42 Posts: 6,912	Yes I always preferred playing Mario or Sonic on my Amiga.

22 June 2018, 19:31	#54
Anubis Retro Gamer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Underworld Age: 51 Posts: 4,059	This should not be question - Superfrog!

22 June 2018, 23:50	#55
Rick Dangerous Registered Playmate Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: OZ Age: 54 Posts: 156	Well, the voting ended on June 15. I played the two games on my Amiga decades ago. Superfrog had the better graphics but Fire&Ice had better gameplay & music. That's my opinion. Today I still have my very first Amiga 500 from 1987 but I didn't used it for years. But I know (and hope) that when I start it it will work as it used to do for more than 15 years. Best Jump&Run game to me is 'The Great Giana Sisters'. I finished all the levels long time ago. Some pals and me practised a lot in this game and held often just a contest: Fastest passing of the first levels without concentration on collecting anything. Just running through... This contest was impossible in Fire&Ice because you needed to collect the parts of the key to gain access to the next level. Superfrog was too boring to us. It had nice graphics - especially the animations - but it was not that captivating. Cheers, Rick

23 June 2018, 00:04	#56
TurboCrash Registered User Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Lisbon/Portugal Posts: 51	Between these two I would vote for Prehistorik of course

23 June 2018, 00:08	#57
Ian Global Moderator Join Date: May 2001 Location: Derby, UK Age: 46 Posts: 2,287	Fire and Ice for the simple fact they haven't remade it for steam and totally f#@ked up any fond memories I might have had for the game.

07 May 2019, 18:15	#59
haynor666 retro maniac Join Date: May 2002 Location: Tarnobrzeg/Poland Age: 45 Posts: 1,748	Superfrog Right now I'm playing Fire+Ice CD32 and does not play as great as Superfrog despite it have more detailed graphics, great backgrounds in AGA version. It just too slow to me.

07 May 2019, 18:29	#60
Nobby_UK Registered User Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Liverpool Posts: 2,595	SuperFrog +1

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