Amiga X5000? - Page 3

Nostromo · 03 October 2015, 10:43

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Originally Posted by esc

If someone could write a graphics driver for os4.1 to use uaegfx - I think that's the most reasonable way. And then if someone could find a way to map more RAM to get beyond the csppc 128mb fast ram which is what OS4.1 uses. Then we'd be in business!

Exactly. But I bet that's an option some people/companies don't want us to have!

wawa · 03 October 2015, 10:50

its rather likely that even without that limited 3d acceleration and with only 128mb ram available, its easily spotted that neither these features nor any sdl ports are justifying the given amount of investment in hardware.

DDNI · 03 October 2015, 13:37

The advert on facebook states dualcore and AmigaOS4.1. Will the X5000 feature SMP of some sort?

eXeler0 · 04 October 2015, 00:21

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Originally Posted by DDNI

The advert on facebook states dualcore and AmigaOS4.1. Will the X5000 feature SMP of some sort?

Well, the support needs to be in the OS (and there's no multi-core support in 4.1)... The hardware is not the problem here.

Pyromania · 04 October 2015, 13:54

Why only USB 2.0 on such a nice high speced Amiga system?

trixster · 04 October 2015, 14:29

I simply cannot understand why ppl spend $$$$ on AmigaOne systems. I just don't see the attraction.

Pyromania · 04 October 2015, 14:46

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Originally Posted by trixster

I simply cannot understand why ppl spend $$$$ on AmigaOne systems. I just don't see the attraction.

New and shiny!

All jokes aside some miss AmigaOS and want to get back in on a new system. Classic machines are really old now. I even met someone that had a rusted one.

_ThEcRoW · 04 October 2015, 14:57

Any news???

Thorham · 04 October 2015, 16:03

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Originally Posted by trixster

I simply cannot understand why ppl spend $$$$ on AmigaOne systems.

Because they want to

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Originally Posted by trixster

I just don't see the attraction.

Me neither, but that doesn't matter

chocolate_boy · 04 October 2015, 16:30

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Originally Posted by Pyromania

Why only USB 2.0 on such a nice high speced Amiga system?

Because OS4 doesn't support USB 3.0. Hell, it only just got 2.0 support last year or so! It was 1.1 before that, so don't expect 3.0 any time soon.

eXeler0 · 04 October 2015, 19:18

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Originally Posted by chocolate_boy

Because OS4 doesn't support USB 3.0. Hell, it only just got 2.0 support last year or so! It was 1.1 before that, so don't expect 3.0 any time soon.

And that's the timeframe to get support for open standards. ;-)
But is the hardware on the x5000 mobo only 2.0 or is the limitation in the OS? Usb3 controllers should not make a big difference in end price on this kind of.... exclusive... piece of hardware...

Pyromania · 05 October 2015, 01:48

Only Mr Linux knows.

matthey · 05 October 2015, 18:34

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Originally Posted by eXeler0

But is the hardware on the x5000 mobo only 2.0 or is the limitation in the OS? Usb3 controllers should not make a big difference in end price on this kind of.... exclusive... piece of hardware...

Probably a limitation of the embedded PPC SoC. The effect of PPC dying is not just high prices but outdated features. Welcome to the PPC Titanic, the last voyage of the Amiga elite.

wawa · 05 October 2015, 20:11

mmm. matt, sorry please dont refer to the ship of fools as "amiga" elite. they have their own appropriate branding.

klx300r · 06 October 2015, 04:17

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Originally Posted by wawa

mmm. matt, sorry please dont refer to the ship of fools as "amiga" elite. they have their own appropriate branding.

lol as many of us here (and at other well known Amiga sites) know too well you already have a very 'special' branding

b0lt-thrower · 06 October 2015, 07:55

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Originally Posted by Wayne123

I don't see too many people saying they want an old PC either, I don't get nostalgic and miss my first 386 PC.

You would be very, very surprised.

Pyromania · 06 October 2015, 08:32

I'm glad the X5000 is coming out. It's nice AmigaOS 4 & MorphOS users will have a modern system to run on. I wonder if no USB 3 is a hardware or software issue? Are any new PC & Macs still shipped with USB 2.0? I kind of doubt it.

eXeler0 · 06 October 2015, 12:15

It shouldnt be CPU dependant.. it should be possible to have completely separate USB3 controller chips on the mobo. They dont cost much these days.. Then again, it is at least possible to add USB3 ports with a PCI board...
Something like this...
http://m.miniinthebox.com/sv/usb-3-0...t_p561221.html
Entire pci card with usb3 controller and ports is ~€14

Ill leave the topic of "driver hell" to someone else ;-)

Daedalus · 07 October 2015, 10:48

None of the Amiga family of OSes have USB 3.0 support. As others have said, it's probably down to there being USB 2.0 support in the SoC. If USB 3 support comes along then it's trivial to add a USB 3 PCIe card, just like many people did with USB 2 cards in their A1-XE machines. But fitting it to a new board as an extra will have the effect of a) pushing the price up due to the extra development and testing involved, and b) complaints from lots of people about the board being shipped with unsupported features, which invariably leads to the usual OS4 slagging, having a dig at Hyperion / A-Eon / AmigaKit and so on.

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Because OS4 doesn't support USB 3.0. Hell, it only just got 2.0 support last year or so! It was 1.1 before that, so don't expect 3.0 any time soon.

2011 actually, but still pretty late to the game. Personally though I wouldn't consider USB 3 a high priority - hell, I don't even own a single USB 3 peripheral even though I have two PCs with USB 3 at home. If it were me I'd be more worried about drivers for other things and would prioritise things like drivers for HD audio, gigabit networking and so on.

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I simply cannot understand why ppl spend $$$$ on AmigaOne systems. I just don't see the attraction.

Yeah, the high end ones are expensive alright - too expensive for me anyway, but everyone has different interests. There are plenty of things I spend my money on that you wouldn't understand, and likewise I'm sure there are things you'd spend money on that I wouldn't be interested in.

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No 3D Acceleration in that config unfortunately. No sure why this can't be done if you have a beefy GFX card on the PC. Maybe in the next version of WinUAE?

Hopefully it can be added, but for now both the hardware and software sides of the emulation are limited. The hardware emulation is limited to classic accelerators and graphics cards and their respective limitations. This means Cyberstorm and Picasso-IV class machines at best. On the software side, nobody has written WinUAE "passthrough" drivers to allow OS4 to use Windows hardware resources directly in the way OS3 can (uaegfx for example is OS3/68k only), which is why it's so limited.

25 February 2017, 19:40

Amiga X5000
install issues of OS 4.1 Final Edtion, any body got the same problem?
can't find Hard Drive only DVD been on it for days...........

03 October 2015, 10:50	#42
wawa Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: berlin/germany Posts: 1,054	its rather likely that even without that limited 3d acceleration and with only 128mb ram available, its easily spotted that neither these features nor any sdl ports are justifying the given amount of investment in hardware.

03 October 2015, 13:37	#43
DDNI Targ Explorer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 5,431	The advert on facebook states dualcore and AmigaOS4.1. Will the X5000 feature SMP of some sort?

04 October 2015, 13:54	#45
Pyromania Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 3,375	Why only USB 2.0 on such a nice high speced Amiga system?

04 October 2015, 14:29	#46
trixster Guru Meditating Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: England Posts: 2,337	I simply cannot understand why ppl spend $$$$ on AmigaOne systems. I just don't see the attraction.

04 October 2015, 14:57	#48
_ThEcRoW Amiga NetRunner Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Spain Age: 45 Posts: 941	Any news???

05 October 2015, 01:48	#52
Pyromania Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 3,375	Only Mr Linux knows.

05 October 2015, 20:11	#54
wawa Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: berlin/germany Posts: 1,054	mmm. matt, sorry please dont refer to the ship of fools as "amiga" elite. they have their own appropriate branding.

06 October 2015, 08:32	#57
Pyromania Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 3,375	I'm glad the X5000 is coming out. It's nice AmigaOS 4 & MorphOS users will have a modern system to run on. I wonder if no USB 3 is a hardware or software issue? Are any new PC & Macs still shipped with USB 2.0? I kind of doubt it.

06 October 2015, 12:15	#58
eXeler0 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Sweden Age: 50 Posts: 2,948	It shouldnt be CPU dependant.. it should be possible to have completely separate USB3 controller chips on the mobo. They dont cost much these days.. Then again, it is at least possible to add USB3 ports with a PCI board... Something like this... http://m.miniinthebox.com/sv/usb-3-0...t_p561221.html Entire pci card with usb3 controller and ports is ~€14 Ill leave the topic of "driver hell" to someone else ;-)

25 February 2017, 19:40	#60
marley Posts: n/a	Amiga X5000 install issues of OS 4.1 Final Edtion, any body got the same problem? can't find Hard Drive only DVD been on it for days...........

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