Need check

Enverex · 17 April 2004, 15:11

As I am using a new drive now I need to know if it is dumping ok for you. I have just uploaded 4 games to my folder on your FTP so if you could check them and get back to me ASAP then I will start dumping all the rest (nice to be able to transfer them via CD-RW too now

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IFW · 17 April 2004, 19:27

To me it seems more than a drive change, as you have "rogue interrupts" in your system now. The files are not very useful in this state.
Please just dump one disk with hardware mode 1, instead of 0.

Enverex · 17 April 2004, 19:45

Yeah, it is an entirely new machine, but I wasn't aware anything other than drives could cause problems. I'll dump one when it finishes copying these discs...

Joe Maroni · 17 April 2004, 21:51

ifw where can i get a really good document about the options of ct...??

IFW · 17 April 2004, 21:54

Don't mess with them, unles you know what you are doing

Otherwise just run it without parameters, and it displays the commands and options available.

Joe Maroni · 17 April 2004, 22:05

ahhh..so you mean this little disk may be a bomb for my amiga...

the promised dreamweb #4 will be uploaded tomorrow...i was really busy this weekend so i only could upload Bundesliga Manager Hattrick AGA...

i also found a "german" version of Star Trek 25th Anniversary here at home...

are you interested...???

IFW · 17 April 2004, 22:26

Not really, just the default setting are normally the best.
BMH AGA is modified unfortunately.
Before dumping Star Trek may worth to check whether the game is really German, or just the manual. (as always write protect the disks before doing anything with them)

Enverex · 17 April 2004, 22:29

Version 1 dump uploaded.

Joe Maroni · 17 April 2004, 22:33

no not only the manual is german...the box is german, the manual and the disk labels are also written in german...

even the word "Deutsch" is printed on them...

i will check them this week if i can find a little bit more time...

IFW · 17 April 2004, 22:52

Enverex: works now.
You may want to disable/enable all caches for a cleaner image, another dump of the same disk with a different cache option could be interesting for better graphs, but it is basically ok now.

Enverex · 17 April 2004, 22:55

Righty ho, give me 10 mins and ill do a no caches one.

IFW · 17 April 2004, 22:59

Cheers

IFW · 17 April 2004, 23:07

x_to:
sadly Great Courts is modified as well... Not a lucky day.
To anyone who may have Great Courts: do not try it until the dump is verified.

On the positive side of things finally an unmodified Amegas was just uploaded, and even more it has a a title picture that I haven't seen so far.

Enverex · 17 April 2004, 23:25

Uploaded. Doesn't the dumping program turn the caches off anyway? (when it asks you). I have a copy of Amegas to upload too btw (I have over 70 games to dump now).

IFW · 17 April 2004, 23:35

Apparently the one with caches was better.
No, the program does not mess with caches, so the user have the option to use any board/system tool instead - more versatile.

I think to avoid duplicate effort it would be a good idea to search our online database for missing games.
A few seconds per game compared to a few minutes dumping it - and that is for one disk, many games are more than one disk.
If you are unsure about a title, just ask.
I set a very low priority for duplicates and checking them, since finding something useful is normally unlikely.

Just my 2ec

Enverex · 17 April 2004, 23:39

Yeah, but if I don't dump mine, I won't get sent the IPF will I

So are the mode 1 caches usable or are they still not up to scratch?

Also, what is the caches option for after the dump method for then if it isn't the processor caches?

IFW · 17 April 2004, 23:54

Well... Pretty please

I am positive there are better ways to get the ipfs for existing releases than dumping them over and over again.
In some cases it makes sense as some games are known to have real alternate versions, but better ask me first which one is needed for those.

If I check a duplicate it means I spend time with that, time that may be better spent on something more useful, like a genuine new release or some development, like atari format support.

It might happen that I don't check something because it is hidden among tons of duplicates and it is genuine good stuff... I am sure nobody wants to miss out on the new things, but it can easily happen, if I have to go through hundreds of dumps just to find something genuinly interesting submitted.

Please only submit dumps that are really needed, it saves time for me, for caps, and the dumper as well. Also there is no reason to buy yet another copy of game X, there are so much games that we don't have released it is easy to pick a new one.

If time and money was not an issue, this wouldn't be a problem, but I still only have 48 hours a day

The first type 1 dump was the better one.
The dumping method has nothing to do with caches.
The default method is the best and produces the best graphs, but it uses interrupts. Unfortunately some cards on the miggy do not conform to any C= rule about interrupt behaviour and their interrupts cannnot be disabled properly and they work regardless of hardware and os settings.
Mode 1 does not use interrupts, but since it has to poll the bus the graphs become less reliable.
Mode 2 uses a redirected method polling the hw at different address, which may or may not work better depending on the specific amiga setup.

Setting caches is completely independent of any of the dumping modes.

Enverex · 18 April 2004, 00:07

No, thats not what I meant. When you run the dumping program, you are asked 3 questions.

WHAT DRIVE (default DF0

WHAT DUMP MODE (Default 0)
LEAVE CACHES ENABLED? (Default no)

It is the third question that I was asking about. It is asked directly after the one to which I have to answer 1 now.

It's ironic that you say the card doesn't conform to commodore specs as the processor board in the machine is a Commodore A3640

But on the other hand at least I will have a CyberstormPPC (with 060) which will hopefully be better.

I'll start checking through what games I have that are needed now.

IFW · 18 April 2004, 00:16

That is actually the script surrounding the dumping program. I don't use those scripts normally so i wouldn't know about it

But I guess it calls the cpu command.

Yes, the interrupt thing is sort of funny coming from a C= card as well (not seen that before), regardless it can cause random problems in quite some applications.

IFW · 18 April 2004, 00:17

If unsure about a game, just ask. MicroProse stuff usually have quite some revisions, so is Infocom, and Ocean sometimes.

17 April 2004, 15:11	#1
Enverex Fantasy Man! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: UK Posts: 1,353	Need check As I am using a new drive now I need to know if it is dumping ok for you. I have just uploaded 4 games to my folder on your FTP so if you could check them and get back to me ASAP then I will start dumping all the rest (nice to be able to transfer them via CD-RW too now )

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17 April 2004, 19:27	#2
IFW Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Age: 52 Posts: 1,838	To me it seems more than a drive change, as you have "rogue interrupts" in your system now. The files are not very useful in this state. Please just dump one disk with hardware mode 1, instead of 0.

17 April 2004, 19:45	#3
Enverex Fantasy Man! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: UK Posts: 1,353	Yeah, it is an entirely new machine, but I wasn't aware anything other than drives could cause problems. I'll dump one when it finishes copying these discs...

17 April 2004, 21:51	#4
Joe Maroni Moderator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Germany Age: 44 Posts: 1,303	ifw where can i get a really good document about the options of ct...??

17 April 2004, 21:54	#5
IFW Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Age: 52 Posts: 1,838	Don't mess with them, unles you know what you are doing Otherwise just run it without parameters, and it displays the commands and options available.

17 April 2004, 22:05	#6
Joe Maroni Moderator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Germany Age: 44 Posts: 1,303	ahhh..so you mean this little disk may be a bomb for my amiga... the promised dreamweb #4 will be uploaded tomorrow...i was really busy this weekend so i only could upload Bundesliga Manager Hattrick AGA... i also found a "german" version of Star Trek 25th Anniversary here at home... are you interested...???

17 April 2004, 22:26	#7
IFW Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Age: 52 Posts: 1,838	Not really, just the default setting are normally the best. BMH AGA is modified unfortunately. Before dumping Star Trek may worth to check whether the game is really German, or just the manual. (as always write protect the disks before doing anything with them)

17 April 2004, 22:29	#8
Enverex Fantasy Man! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: UK Posts: 1,353	Version 1 dump uploaded.

17 April 2004, 22:33	#9
Joe Maroni Moderator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Germany Age: 44 Posts: 1,303	no not only the manual is german...the box is german, the manual and the disk labels are also written in german... even the word "Deutsch" is printed on them... i will check them this week if i can find a little bit more time...

17 April 2004, 22:52	#10
IFW Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Age: 52 Posts: 1,838	Enverex: works now. You may want to disable/enable all caches for a cleaner image, another dump of the same disk with a different cache option could be interesting for better graphs, but it is basically ok now.

17 April 2004, 22:55	#11
Enverex Fantasy Man! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: UK Posts: 1,353	Righty ho, give me 10 mins and ill do a no caches one.

17 April 2004, 22:59	#12
IFW Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Age: 52 Posts: 1,838	Cheers

17 April 2004, 23:07	#13
IFW Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Age: 52 Posts: 1,838	x_to: sadly Great Courts is modified as well... Not a lucky day. To anyone who may have Great Courts: do not try it until the dump is verified. On the positive side of things finally an unmodified Amegas was just uploaded, and even more it has a a title picture that I haven't seen so far.

17 April 2004, 23:25	#14
Enverex Fantasy Man! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: UK Posts: 1,353	Uploaded. Doesn't the dumping program turn the caches off anyway? (when it asks you). I have a copy of Amegas to upload too btw (I have over 70 games to dump now).

17 April 2004, 23:35	#15
IFW Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Age: 52 Posts: 1,838	Apparently the one with caches was better. No, the program does not mess with caches, so the user have the option to use any board/system tool instead - more versatile. I think to avoid duplicate effort it would be a good idea to search our online database for missing games. A few seconds per game compared to a few minutes dumping it - and that is for one disk, many games are more than one disk. If you are unsure about a title, just ask. I set a very low priority for duplicates and checking them, since finding something useful is normally unlikely. Just my 2ec

17 April 2004, 23:39	#16
Enverex Fantasy Man! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: UK Posts: 1,353	Yeah, but if I don't dump mine, I won't get sent the IPF will I So are the mode 1 caches usable or are they still not up to scratch? Also, what is the caches option for after the dump method for then if it isn't the processor caches?

17 April 2004, 23:54	#17
IFW Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Age: 52 Posts: 1,838	Well... Pretty please I am positive there are better ways to get the ipfs for existing releases than dumping them over and over again. In some cases it makes sense as some games are known to have real alternate versions, but better ask me first which one is needed for those. If I check a duplicate it means I spend time with that, time that may be better spent on something more useful, like a genuine new release or some development, like atari format support. It might happen that I don't check something because it is hidden among tons of duplicates and it is genuine good stuff... I am sure nobody wants to miss out on the new things, but it can easily happen, if I have to go through hundreds of dumps just to find something genuinly interesting submitted. Please only submit dumps that are really needed, it saves time for me, for caps, and the dumper as well. Also there is no reason to buy yet another copy of game X, there are so much games that we don't have released it is easy to pick a new one. If time and money was not an issue, this wouldn't be a problem, but I still only have 48 hours a day The first type 1 dump was the better one. The dumping method has nothing to do with caches. The default method is the best and produces the best graphs, but it uses interrupts. Unfortunately some cards on the miggy do not conform to any C= rule about interrupt behaviour and their interrupts cannnot be disabled properly and they work regardless of hardware and os settings. Mode 1 does not use interrupts, but since it has to poll the bus the graphs become less reliable. Mode 2 uses a redirected method polling the hw at different address, which may or may not work better depending on the specific amiga setup. Setting caches is completely independent of any of the dumping modes.

18 April 2004, 00:07	#18
Enverex Fantasy Man! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: UK Posts: 1,353	No, thats not what I meant. When you run the dumping program, you are asked 3 questions. WHAT DRIVE (default DF0 WHAT DUMP MODE (Default 0) LEAVE CACHES ENABLED? (Default no) It is the third question that I was asking about. It is asked directly after the one to which I have to answer 1 now. It's ironic that you say the card doesn't conform to commodore specs as the processor board in the machine is a Commodore A3640 But on the other hand at least I will have a CyberstormPPC (with 060) which will hopefully be better. I'll start checking through what games I have that are needed now.

18 April 2004, 00:16	#19
IFW Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Age: 52 Posts: 1,838	That is actually the script surrounding the dumping program. I don't use those scripts normally so i wouldn't know about it But I guess it calls the cpu command. Yes, the interrupt thing is sort of funny coming from a C= card as well (not seen that before), regardless it can cause random problems in quite some applications.

18 April 2004, 00:17	#20
IFW Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Age: 52 Posts: 1,838	If unsure about a game, just ask. MicroProse stuff usually have quite some revisions, so is Infocom, and Ocean sometimes.

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