MS Dos Games equal or better than Amiga games - Page 2

KombatSanta · 31 March 2004, 17:23

I just played lemmings on a dos machine, and it was really horrible. The graphics was ok... but the SOUND.. oh, man!

I've also been trying to fiddle abit with dosbox and especially trying to get Screamer Rally to work... no luck yet

Unknown_K · 31 March 2004, 17:35

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Originally posted by KombatSanta
I just played lemmings on a dos machine, and it was really horrible. The graphics was ok... but the SOUND.. oh, man!

I've also been trying to fiddle abit with dosbox and especially trying to get Screamer Rally to work... no luck yet

One of the early problem with dos gaming is that you needed to have decent equipment (video card and sound mostly)

Liesure Suit Lary 1 on the PC (cga graphics) sucked unless you had a Tandy model (the pc had 4 colors and looked bad) that did 16 colors and had OK built in sound.

Lots of games sounded excelent using a gravis ultrasound card compared to pc sppeaker or even the early soundblaster because of the midi sound used.

jmmijo · 31 March 2004, 17:52

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Originally posted by Unknown_K
Lots of games sounded excelent using a gravis ultrasound card compared to pc sppeaker or even the early soundblaster because of the midi sound used.

Ah yes the GUS and the GUS Max were nice cards indeed. Myself I opted for the Ensonique Soundscape instead

Unknown_K · 31 March 2004, 18:02

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Originally posted by jmmijo
Ah yes the GUS and the GUS Max were nice cards indeed. Myself I opted for the Ensonique Soundscape instead

I had a SB16 clone and a Ensoniq soundscape back in the day. Now using soundblaster boards and the GUS's

SilentBob · 31 March 2004, 18:09

Well, if I was gonna mention games that were equal or better than Amiga games...

Sierra (VGA) games among others were better on the PC than the Amiga. Better colours, and if you had a fast PC (386+), the games were very much playable.

As for equal games, I'd say games done around 1992/93 (and beyond) which were done for both PC and Amiga could compete against eachother. I distinctly remember we compared Dune II, Flashback and Centurion for both the PC and Amiga, and they came out equal. (I can't remember the Flashback version for PC being any different than the Amigas either)

Enverex · 31 March 2004, 18:30

Well I was playing Police Quest (1, 2 and 3) and Space Quest (1, 2, and 3) and they seemed exactly the same as the PC versions. The only one that sucked was Space Quest 4 which was only 32 colours on the Amiga and consequently looked crap. The PC one was also a talkie, but other than that game, the others were identical.

Adeptus · 01 April 2004, 01:32

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Originally posted by KombatSanta
I just played lemmings on a dos machine, and it was really horrible. The graphics was ok... but the SOUND.. oh, man!

And you miss out on one of the most fun features of Amiga Lemmings... 2 player mode!

Oscar Castillo · 01 April 2004, 04:45

ROTT was an awesome DOS FPS at that time. Aside from some shooters on the Amiga I only really used my Amiga for graphics. Dpaint, Sculpt 3D, Imagine, Imagemaster.

7-Zark-7 · 01 April 2004, 16:05

In saying LSL 2 was playable on Floppy, it's where The Amiga version is a touch better-though GFX are the same, the sound FX were better than the PC's with sound samples for diving into the pool, opening drawers, Larry being lost in the rainforest & landing from the parachute/plane sequence.
With the logical layout of locations the largest amount of swapping was only through restoring saved games-though the back tracking for the knife & suntan lotion was a pain in the butt!

Whilst the above might technically have been true for Larry 3, it just slowed down a touch too much, & O.D.'d on swapping a tad too much. The Load disk X to load one file & swap again for another was rediculous.

SilentBob · 01 April 2004, 17:47

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Originally posted by Enverex
Well I was playing Police Quest (1, 2 and 3) and Space Quest (1, 2, and 3) and they seemed exactly the same as the PC versions. The only one that sucked was Space Quest 4 which was only 32 colours on the Amiga and consequently looked crap. The PC one was also a talkie, but other than that game, the others were identical.

Yeah, the EGA versions were only 16 colours, so they looked the same on the Amiga and even the ST. But they ran a bit slow in my opinion, because of the 7 MHz 68k CPU. The VGA versions really had to be played on the PC for maxiumum enjoyment. The conversion from 256 to 32 colours made the graphics look dull and washed out.

Mr Creosote · 01 April 2004, 20:36

Theme Park:
-more rides
-higher resolution graphics

The Settlers:
-higher resolution graphics

Colonization:
-come on... the Amiga version isn't very good

and so on and so on

Enverex · 01 April 2004, 20:52

The PC Theme Park also had FMVs for each of the rides from first person riding on them which was cool.

Melroc · 02 April 2004, 10:30

I think the "Eye of the Beholder" series (at least Part 1&2, being not sure for a Part 3 on Amiga), is definitely better on a PeCe than on Amiga.

- better graphics
- faster / more playable
- better load/save

... and in general all AD&D games, of course

Bloodwych · 02 April 2004, 13:46

Since this is a PC thread and I'm an Amiga Preacher, for the sake of this board I'll have to make one Pro-Amiga post due to my first being quite neutral.

Some of these games mentioned are of course half baked ports, except settlers - that was an awesome conversion, especially if you had more ram and an 020 (not forgetting of course 2-player onscreen action). Colonization on an AGA machine was fine. No one can deny however that the PC had that area of gaming sown up with it being so well suited to these genres.

The Amiga seemed to have a strange life cycle. When it begun, it received lazy Atari ST ports. As it died, it was subjected to lazy PC ports made worse by it's much slower processor.

Some where in the middle it had a surge of wonderful exclusive titles, especially multiplayer/arcade style, that never made it to either the ST or PC in any comparable form.

It all goes back to what I said in the first post - they were two very different gaming experiences that excelled in different areas and happened to overlap here and there.

The PC literally managed to power its way past the Amiga eventually, but it never once offered as wide a range of gaming, computing and community/demoscene experience in comparison to the Amiga - that is until it was able to emulate.

Even today, you need a console and a PC to cover the all round greatness of what was the Amiga experience, then we're still missing something.

DOS PC titles back then were great and eventually the best at single player adventure/simulation/stratagy/3D. The Amiga, even towards the end of its life, managed to adequately cover these areas (in some situations better) and so much more. It had a fantastic innings did the Amiga, but now it's all out for 1,576,234.

spiff · 02 April 2004, 19:01

As was said before, most of the SSI games where better on PC..
And all of the Lucas arts games once they started to use the full 256 color vga palette, with monkey island 2 being ported from PC to amiga even.

3d was better on the pc once the 486 was out. Elite2, gunship2000 where good on the amiga but great on the pc.. faster, a lot nicer mission reviews.
Then commance, ultima 7, ultima underworld and doom came along, PC gaming quality suddenly was heads and shoulders above any other platform.
Even the arcades didn't catch up in 3d gfx until sega released model 2 with Daytona.

Enverex · 02 April 2004, 22:04

Elite 2 and such run faster on a faster Amiga, so that isn't really an issue (I get full speed on my 040/25).

spiff · 04 April 2004, 22:29

Yes, but unless I'm wrong the Pc version has basic textures and the amiga version hasn't

FromWithin · 04 April 2004, 22:48

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Originally posted by spiff
Yes, but unless I'm wrong the Pc version has basic textures and the amiga version hasn't

It does, but it makes the ships look like they are covered in carpet.

Drake1009 · 04 April 2004, 22:55

Yeah. First encounters made the textures look better though.

7-Zark-7 · 05 April 2004, 05:19

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Originally posted by spiff
As was said before, most of the SSI games where better on PC..

Does that include the pre-EOTB classic "gold box", games?
I hadn't seen the early Gold box AD&D games for the PC, (Pools of Radience, Curse of the Azure Bonds etc.),but the Amiga versions certainly looked like PC/ST ports.

02 April 2004, 13:46	#34
Bloodwych Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: I'm behind you! Posts: 3,763	Since this is a PC thread and I'm an Amiga Preacher, for the sake of this board I'll have to make one Pro-Amiga post due to my first being quite neutral. Some of these games mentioned are of course half baked ports, except settlers - that was an awesome conversion, especially if you had more ram and an 020 (not forgetting of course 2-player onscreen action). Colonization on an AGA machine was fine. No one can deny however that the PC had that area of gaming sown up with it being so well suited to these genres. The Amiga seemed to have a strange life cycle. When it begun, it received lazy Atari ST ports. As it died, it was subjected to lazy PC ports made worse by it's much slower processor. Some where in the middle it had a surge of wonderful exclusive titles, especially multiplayer/arcade style, that never made it to either the ST or PC in any comparable form. It all goes back to what I said in the first post - they were two very different gaming experiences that excelled in different areas and happened to overlap here and there. The PC literally managed to power its way past the Amiga eventually, but it never once offered as wide a range of gaming, computing and community/demoscene experience in comparison to the Amiga - that is until it was able to emulate. Even today, you need a console and a PC to cover the all round greatness of what was the Amiga experience, then we're still missing something. DOS PC titles back then were great and eventually the best at single player adventure/simulation/stratagy/3D. The Amiga, even towards the end of its life, managed to adequately cover these areas (in some situations better) and so much more. It had a fantastic innings did the Amiga, but now it's all out for 1,576,234. Last edited by Bloodwych; 02 April 2004 at 13:51.

02 April 2004, 19:01	#35
spiff Oh noes! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Neverland Posts: 766	As was said before, most of the SSI games where better on PC.. And all of the Lucas arts games once they started to use the full 256 color vga palette, with monkey island 2 being ported from PC to amiga even. 3d was better on the pc once the 486 was out. Elite2, gunship2000 where good on the amiga but great on the pc.. faster, a lot nicer mission reviews. Then commance, ultima 7, ultima underworld and doom came along, PC gaming quality suddenly was heads and shoulders above any other platform. Even the arcades didn't catch up in 3d gfx until sega released model 2 with Daytona. Last edited by spiff; 04 April 2004 at 22:26.

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31 March 2004, 17:23	#21
KombatSanta Pipboy approved Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Karlstad, Sweden Age: 48 Posts: 460	I just played lemmings on a dos machine, and it was really horrible. The graphics was ok... but the SOUND.. oh, man! I've also been trying to fiddle abit with dosbox and especially trying to get Screamer Rally to work... no luck yet

31 March 2004, 18:09	#25
SilentBob Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Norway Age: 49 Posts: 246	Well, if I was gonna mention games that were equal or better than Amiga games... Sierra (VGA) games among others were better on the PC than the Amiga. Better colours, and if you had a fast PC (386+), the games were very much playable. As for equal games, I'd say games done around 1992/93 (and beyond) which were done for both PC and Amiga could compete against eachother. I distinctly remember we compared Dune II, Flashback and Centurion for both the PC and Amiga, and they came out equal. (I can't remember the Flashback version for PC being any different than the Amigas either)

31 March 2004, 18:30	#26
Enverex Fantasy Man! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: UK Posts: 1,353	Well I was playing Police Quest (1, 2 and 3) and Space Quest (1, 2, and 3) and they seemed exactly the same as the PC versions. The only one that sucked was Space Quest 4 which was only 32 colours on the Amiga and consequently looked crap. The PC one was also a talkie, but other than that game, the others were identical.

01 April 2004, 04:45	#28
Oscar Castillo Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 291	ROTT was an awesome DOS FPS at that time. Aside from some shooters on the Amiga I only really used my Amiga for graphics. Dpaint, Sculpt 3D, Imagine, Imagemaster.

01 April 2004, 16:05	#29
7-Zark-7 Zone Friend Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Brisbane/Australia Posts: 1,270	In saying LSL 2 was playable on Floppy, it's where The Amiga version is a touch better-though GFX are the same, the sound FX were better than the PC's with sound samples for diving into the pool, opening drawers, Larry being lost in the rainforest & landing from the parachute/plane sequence. With the logical layout of locations the largest amount of swapping was only through restoring saved games-though the back tracking for the knife & suntan lotion was a pain in the butt! Whilst the above might technically have been true for Larry 3, it just slowed down a touch too much, & O.D.'d on swapping a tad too much. The Load disk X to load one file & swap again for another was rediculous.

01 April 2004, 20:36	#31
Mr Creosote Evil Mastermind Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Home Posts: 740	Theme Park: -more rides -higher resolution graphics The Settlers: -higher resolution graphics Colonization: -come on... the Amiga version isn't very good and so on and so on

01 April 2004, 20:52	#32
Enverex Fantasy Man! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: UK Posts: 1,353	The PC Theme Park also had FMVs for each of the rides from first person riding on them which was cool.

02 April 2004, 10:30	#33
Melroc Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: (void) Age: 48 Posts: 91	I think the "Eye of the Beholder" series (at least Part 1&2, being not sure for a Part 3 on Amiga), is definitely better on a PeCe than on Amiga. - better graphics - faster / more playable - better load/save ... and in general all AD&D games, of course

02 April 2004, 22:04	#36
Enverex Fantasy Man! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: UK Posts: 1,353	Elite 2 and such run faster on a faster Amiga, so that isn't really an issue (I get full speed on my 040/25).

04 April 2004, 22:29	#37
spiff Oh noes! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Neverland Posts: 766	Yes, but unless I'm wrong the Pc version has basic textures and the amiga version hasn't

04 April 2004, 22:55	#39
Drake1009 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Denmark Posts: 2,284	Yeah. First encounters made the textures look better though.

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