Addams Family port/remake? - Page 6

Retro1234 · 18 February 2017, 07:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anakirob

I recall reading about this in Amiga Power (in more than one issue of the magazine too I think). They wanted to do the parallax backdrops, and were planning on using the same data the SNES version used. But it came down to a choice of dual-playfield or 50Hz screen update. And after much debate they opted for the higher framerate over the extra graphics as the developers felt it was a better game that way.

This issue http://amr.abime.net/review_18239 they talk about two versions one with a larger screen and one with a smaller screen and parallax........

AmigaBoy · 14 March 2018, 00:24

I've gotta bump this thread to say this is unreal. I love the Amiga version of The Addams Family, so the notion of possibly seeing the backgrounds added in is exciting. Probably won't happen, but exciting

albino · 14 March 2018, 04:52

The amiga version is rush super famicom port...that's why they scrapped the background.

Once the nintendo game was done they came back at the amiga and rewrote the game

from the scratch with the snes version as model. They must had issues troughout the

devellopement and decided to cover the background for matter of time..

Like peter thierolf said about turrican 3 : The game would have been better if designed for the amiga not ported from the megadrive.

squirminator2k · 22 July 2018, 02:34

Hello! I did a lot of research on this when I did the Addams Family episode of PortsCenter. Anikrob is correct - it came down to wanting the smoother graphics, but also because the background layer didn't actually scroll - i.e. it was a fixed, static layer - players of an early demo build that featured the backdrops complained that it was difficult to figure out where Gomez was visually when he was in freefall. For these reasons, the backdrop layer was nix'd and we got a solid backdrop.

The Amiga version also doesn't include the fencing sword or bouncy ball power-ups, IIRC.

Retro1234 · 22 July 2018, 13:55

Even the developers talk about a version with parallax and when I put the background on the selection screen there was no problem seeing Gomez, I think it's more lack of resources it would have taken time to do special static backgrounds and mix with foreground just for the Amiga version, plus it would of increased the file size of the maps maybe to double.

....but who cares let's play Call of Duty.

dlfrsilver · 22 July 2018, 15:11

Seriously, they did the effort on the ST version, and not the amiga version.

Why ? Amiga 512kb, when all the other games at the same time used 1mb of ram.

The Amiga version is a pork and lazy job.

Just for the 2 cts, the SNES use a planar display, exactly like the Amiga..... And This game is not as complicated as a game like lionheart for example.

squirminator2k · 22 July 2018, 19:59

I mean, the question has already been answered. It's been answered in this thread at least twice.

If you've ever actually played the ST version, you'll know that the backgrounds there don't actually scroll at all. They're fixed. They're also way too bright - backgrounds should ideally be darker so you don't lose your foreground characters.

idrougge · 23 July 2018, 03:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlfrsilver

Just for the 2 cts, the SNES use a planar display, exactly like the Amiga..... And This game is not as complicated as a game like lionheart for example.

Not at all like the Amiga, you mean.

To begin with, the SNES has two graphics enabling free dual playfield.

squirminator2k · 23 July 2018, 07:14

Yeah, I'll never understand the "lazy port" arguments when the game is slick and smooth - certainly slicker and smoother than some other console ports (looking at you, TMNT). People get too hung up on those backdrops.

Dougal · 26 September 2021, 07:21

Bump.

Was there any progress in enabling the backgrounds for the Amiga version ?

Retro1234 · 26 September 2021, 13:25

I was able to insert a static background in some of the levels but there where problems

1. tiles can't be flipped as far as I know so there are many missing tiles.
2. one of the levels I did the Hero/Sprite/Gomez now. appears behind the background tiles.

I really miss having time for this kind of thing I had some good fun doing this kind of thing
I remember finding the map in the the SNES version and tiles, I wish I had ripped all these and uploaded to somewhere like sprite resource, never seen a resource having the map data and tile sets for console stuff.

Wrote a couple of programme to help me convert the snes background to Amiga and then combine the foreground and background.

Ok it might not be the most amazing thing in the world but I enjoyed doing it.

squirminator2k · 26 September 2021, 20:43

We've seen a lot of screenshots of people "restoring" partial backdrops, but I would love to see some video.

Retro1234 · 26 September 2021, 20:52

It was a WinUae savestate, but if someone really wanted to do a remake they could probably use Scorpion engine but it would be a big job and the existing port is pretty good the gameplay is good.

people go ooo the ST version has parallax scrolling but it not smooth and it's in small sections the Amiga version is better.

Dougal · 26 September 2021, 21:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retro1234

It was a WinUae savestate, but if someone really wanted to do a remake they could probably use Scorpion engine but it would be a big job and the existing port is pretty good the gameplay is good.

people go ooo the ST version has parallax scrolling but it not smooth and it's in small sections the Amiga version is better.

The ST version looks good static but I played it and I hate how it does not scroll but rather it pushes from screen to screen. Its not all that smooth though its OK I guess but as you say the Amiga version plays well enough, better than the ST thats for sure. Shame it just looks so unfinished.

I've got an ST, I've got a SNES and a Megadrive (both with Everdrives), so playing Adams Family I've got a good choice lol, but my heart lies with the Amiga and that is what I played Adams Family on as a kid, first the demo from the CU Amiga disk and then as with most of us I'm sure, a pirated floppy disk of the full game. I'd love to see the Amiga version 'complete' one day

saimon69 · 16 June 2023, 19:50

[necro]
Still waiting to somebody to hack the parallax back

sokolovic · 16 June 2023, 20:14

At least it should be doable in an AGA port considering the front Playfield is probably 15 colours like the ST version.

gimbal · 16 June 2023, 21:01

The game really doesn't need it, the black background makes the foreground elements pop out perfectly. That's where your eyes need to be in this fast paced game.

dlfrsilver · 17 June 2023, 10:51

The game feels unfinished and empty without the parallax.

TCD · 17 June 2023, 11:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by saimon69

[necro]
Still waiting to somebody to hack the parallax back

Hear! Hear!

gimbal · 17 June 2023, 11:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlfrsilver

The game feels unfinished and empty without the parallax.

Yes it's empty. I mean a hundred screens, a huge amount of enemies, music in every room, huge bosses, tons of secrets, minor switch hunting puzzle elements, every room filled to the brim with traps to evade and pickups to collect, non-linear levels and progression...

Empty indeed. Practically a demo.

14 March 2018, 04:52	#103
albino Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: france Age: 45 Posts: 220	The amiga version is rush super famicom port...that's why they scrapped the background. Once the nintendo game was done they came back at the amiga and rewrote the game from the scratch with the snes version as model. They must had issues troughout the devellopement and decided to cover the background for matter of time.. Like peter thierolf said about turrican 3 : The game would have been better if designed for the amiga not ported from the megadrive. Last edited by albino; 14 March 2018 at 05:00.

22 July 2018, 13:55	#105
Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,773	Even the developers talk about a version with parallax and when I put the background on the selection screen there was no problem seeing Gomez, I think it's more lack of resources it would have taken time to do special static backgrounds and mix with foreground just for the Amiga version, plus it would of increased the file size of the maps maybe to double. ....but who cares let's play Call of Duty. Last edited by Retro1234; 22 July 2018 at 14:04.

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14 March 2018, 00:24	#102
AmigaBoy Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: 19 Jump Street Posts: 238	I've gotta bump this thread to say this is unreal. I love the Amiga version of The Addams Family, so the notion of possibly seeing the backgrounds added in is exciting. Probably won't happen, but exciting

22 July 2018, 02:34	#104
squirminator2k Dream17 / PortsCenter guy Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Los Angeles Age: 37 Posts: 311	Hello! I did a lot of research on this when I did the Addams Family episode of PortsCenter. Anikrob is correct - it came down to wanting the smoother graphics, but also because the background layer didn't actually scroll - i.e. it was a fixed, static layer - players of an early demo build that featured the backdrops complained that it was difficult to figure out where Gomez was visually when he was in freefall. For these reasons, the backdrop layer was nix'd and we got a solid backdrop. The Amiga version also doesn't include the fencing sword or bouncy ball power-ups, IIRC.

22 July 2018, 15:11	#106
dlfrsilver CaptainM68K-SPS France Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melun nearby Paris/France Age: 46 Posts: 10,412	Seriously, they did the effort on the ST version, and not the amiga version. Why ? Amiga 512kb, when all the other games at the same time used 1mb of ram. The Amiga version is a pork and lazy job. Just for the 2 cts, the SNES use a planar display, exactly like the Amiga..... And This game is not as complicated as a game like lionheart for example.

22 July 2018, 19:59	#107
squirminator2k Dream17 / PortsCenter guy Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Los Angeles Age: 37 Posts: 311	I mean, the question has already been answered. It's been answered in this thread at least twice. If you've ever actually played the ST version, you'll know that the backgrounds there don't actually scroll at all. They're fixed. They're also way too bright - backgrounds should ideally be darker so you don't lose your foreground characters.

23 July 2018, 07:14	#109
squirminator2k Dream17 / PortsCenter guy Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Los Angeles Age: 37 Posts: 311	Yeah, I'll never understand the "lazy port" arguments when the game is slick and smooth - certainly slicker and smoother than some other console ports (looking at you, TMNT). People get too hung up on those backdrops.

26 September 2021, 07:21	#110
Dougal Registered User Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Malta Posts: 84	Bump. Was there any progress in enabling the backgrounds for the Amiga version ?

26 September 2021, 13:25	#111
Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,773	I was able to insert a static background in some of the levels but there where problems 1. tiles can't be flipped as far as I know so there are many missing tiles. 2. one of the levels I did the Hero/Sprite/Gomez now. appears behind the background tiles. I really miss having time for this kind of thing I had some good fun doing this kind of thing I remember finding the map in the the SNES version and tiles, I wish I had ripped all these and uploaded to somewhere like sprite resource, never seen a resource having the map data and tile sets for console stuff. Wrote a couple of programme to help me convert the snes background to Amiga and then combine the foreground and background. Ok it might not be the most amazing thing in the world but I enjoyed doing it.

26 September 2021, 20:43	#112
squirminator2k Dream17 / PortsCenter guy Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Los Angeles Age: 37 Posts: 311	We've seen a lot of screenshots of people "restoring" partial backdrops, but I would love to see some video.

26 September 2021, 20:52	#113
Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,773	It was a WinUae savestate, but if someone really wanted to do a remake they could probably use Scorpion engine but it would be a big job and the existing port is pretty good the gameplay is good. people go ooo the ST version has parallax scrolling but it not smooth and it's in small sections the Amiga version is better.

16 June 2023, 19:50	#115
saimon69 J.M.D - Bedroom Musician Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: los angeles,ca Posts: 3,515	[necro] Still waiting to somebody to hack the parallax back

16 June 2023, 20:14	#116
sokolovic Registered User Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Marseille / France Posts: 1,415	At least it should be doable in an AGA port considering the front Playfield is probably 15 colours like the ST version.

16 June 2023, 21:01	#117
gimbal cheeky scoundrel Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Spijkenisse/Netherlands Age: 42 Posts: 6,903	The game really doesn't need it, the black background makes the foreground elements pop out perfectly. That's where your eyes need to be in this fast paced game.

17 June 2023, 10:51	#118
dlfrsilver CaptainM68K-SPS France Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melun nearby Paris/France Age: 46 Posts: 10,412	The game feels unfinished and empty without the parallax.

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