I started getting old PC games ... weird eh? - Page 2

Boulder · 07 September 2006, 16:00

The CD versions of Alone in the Dark games are just great, especially the first one. Reading the books in the library is hilarious as Carnby loses his sanity

Kurtz · 07 September 2006, 16:03

Picked the whole Wing Commander series lately: The Kilrathi Saga, WC4 and Prophecy Gold. I loved WC1 on Amiga so much (despite its numerous technical shortcomings) and I was mad about not seeing any sequels on it... a 030+ AGA machine would have handled WC3 and 4 easily, let alone WC2...

keropi · 07 September 2006, 16:16

allright, a good DOS box is like that... and I mean a DOS box, not an old pc with a voodoo to run 3d games...

- p200mmx or 166mmx (anything from 486/100 to pentiumII/400 is good, but if you manage to keep under 200Mhz then some old progs won't need speed patches to run... not that this is a big deal, a small TSR can fix it, but for DOS anything above a 200mmx is not really needed... also a pentium1 is a good idead too, let's you run windows98/me so you can easily make a network , use usb devices to transfer stuff to the dosbox and finally use the FAT32 filesystem that does not have the 2GB per partition limitation)
- 64 MB ram (if u can find one, lol I use an 128MB SDRAM module...)
- A PCI gfx card , with 4MB or 8MB ram , the s3 virge ones where good and common so they are supported a lot. then you need to get also the free UNIVBE 6.7 package to add better VESA screenmodes support... on another thread there where reccomendation for Matrox cards, but I never had any of them...
- A soundblaster16 ISA sound card that has the wavetable connector so you can add an extra wavetable daughterboard. there are better sound cards than soundblaster16 for sure, but since we need high compatibillity without messing with drivers/settings, this is an excellent choise.
as for the wavetable daughterboard: excellent choises are the Yamaha DB50XG or DB60XG or the Roland SDB-55. ofcourse the ultimate midi+wave combo would be: sb16+db?0XG and an extra isa midi card like the Roland LAPC-I or the SCC-I ... that gives 100% sound satisfaction

- 20GB HD ... it is amazing how fast u can fill it with old games

I have this dos-box: p166mmx/128MB Ram/20GB HD/Diamond Stealth3D Pro (s3 virge dx) 4MB/SB16+DB60XG/Roland SCC-I and a USB2 pci card to transfer files easily... installed is win98se with the unofficial SP2...

Unknown_K · 07 September 2006, 21:24

S3 chipped cards are decent at SVGA but for older plain VGA games they are not so hot.

Also if you do get into the older DOS games the Gravis Ultrasound is directly supported and sounds decent (also the DEMO scene used it alot).

keropi · 07 September 2006, 22:00

In my experience because I had s3 cards back then I never had any probs. We are talking pci here, for isa/vlb the best ones are the Cirrus Logic based cards.
Also I don't think that the Gravis Ultrasound is a good option these days. It is a great card, but all I heared was some compatibillity issues... it may require some effort to get it working, patches to be found, etc... In terms of ease and compatibillity I don't think it is a great option... all these info was easily found in the 90's , but now things have changed...

Unknown_K · 07 September 2006, 22:05

I am talking about early games that had native Ultrasound support built in(back before the soundblaster 16). Compatability issues were from the SB emulkation use on the ultrasound, which I do not worry about because I have a Soundblaster Pro 2.0 in the same machine.

keropi · 07 September 2006, 22:14

oh... ok , I misunderstood

having both cards solves all comp. issues lol

Unknown_K · 07 September 2006, 22:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by keropi

oh... ok , I misunderstood

having both cards solves all comp. issues lol

Its a pain setting up IRQ's but once done its worth it.

My 386/40 has A gravis Ultrasound Max with 1MB of RAM (came with 512K) and a Soundblaster Pro 2.0 for early DOS games (Tseng Et4000AX for video)

My P200MMx has a Gravis Ultrasound PnP (8MB of RAM) along with a Soundblaster 16 + DBX50 Yamaha waveblaster add-on (Nvidia RIVA 4MB PCI for video). I also have a Orchid Righteous 3d Voodoo 1 for when I boot into Windows 95 for early 3dfx Games using removable HD carriers.

keropi · 07 September 2006, 22:57

for early d3d/glide games I use a p3/550 + voodoo3 agp or voodoo2... as for sound there a simple pci card, in windows it is all the same...

Unknown_K · 07 September 2006, 23:50

By early 3dFX I mean games like the original tomb raider that you needed to download a glide addon to play in 640x480 or the special Mechwarrior 3dfx edition. For later games I use a p2-400 with a TNT AGP video card along with a Voodoo 2 SLI setup.

keropi · 08 September 2006, 07:14

I wish I had my v2 SLI setup still....
I got now a single v2 board by diamond, but it has only 8MB?!? my creative labs ones where 12MB.... maybe I need to search ebay for a SLI setup, or at least the vga cable to connect v2<->vga...

metalrules · 08 September 2006, 13:58

I built a dos machine a couple of years ago to run my old dos games that i burnt onto a cd (600 games).
It contains 166 P1
32 mb ram
10 speed cd rom drive
1 gig hard drive
Diamond Stealth 1mb graphics cars
Soundblaster 16 sound card
1 joystick
17" flatscreen monitor

I still have have it but it is not set up at the moment.
I use the D0sbox and Dfend programs to play my old dos games now.

P.S. Keropi, do you like the band Hammerfall or just the icon? I have all thier cd's and they kick arse.

keropi · 08 September 2006, 15:30

ps. Of course I like HammerFall! I have also the 1st cd limited edition, it is shapped like a wood-cutting disk! way cool!
other favorite bands: Helloween, GammaRay, GraveDigger, Edguy, RAGE, Blind Guardian, Nocturnal Rites, GrimReaper, Judas, Saxon, Accept, Iced Earth (up to Horror Show) etc u get the meaning...

Mick_AKA · 08 September 2006, 16:19

This thread has reminded me that my Voodoo 5 5500 is still sat in its box under my desk!
Definitely time to build myself a nice retro PC.

keropi · 08 September 2006, 16:23

retro pc with a voodoo5500? lol

keropi · 08 September 2006, 16:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamienD

Has anyone ever played an old game called BioForge?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bioforge
http://www.mobygames.com/game/bioforge

Was pretty cool IMHO

yeah, BIOFORGE, awesome game...! an Origin game

Anubis · 08 September 2006, 18:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamienD

Has anyone ever played an old game called BioForge?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bioforge
http://www.mobygames.com/game/bioforge

Was pretty cool IMHO

I have CD, nice game but I never got much involved with it.

Anything to PII/III 450 with 128MB memory should work well with Win98SE and DOS shortcut.

Long time ago on Abandonia I created sort of tutorial on how to build custom DOS shortcut for PC, and how to use it.

Nice thing is that once you enter the shortcut, your computer turns into DOS macnine, but a bit different from Shut Down into DOS mode, because if you rebote computer, you're still in DOS (windows does not start until you type EXIT

)

I tested many DOS game with this configuration and did not have a single game that did not work. (all with sounds and music)

spiff · 08 September 2006, 19:38

It’s probably been said before but anyone with a PC fast enough to run UAE really should try DosBox with MT32Emu and a good frontend like D-fend.

With some tweaks I even get the right aspect with my 5:4 TFT screen that sucks in real dos.

pbareges · 08 September 2006, 19:39

Webmaster ...where are you ?? LET'S BURN THIS HERETIC THREAD!!

Anubis · 08 September 2006, 20:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by pbareges

Webmaster ...where are you ?? LET'S BURN THIS HERETIC THREAD!!

They are talking about PC port of Amiga games...

Or should we call them PC backups of Amiga games?

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07 September 2006, 16:00	#21
Boulder Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Hollola, Finland Age: 47 Posts: 131	The CD versions of Alone in the Dark games are just great, especially the first one. Reading the books in the library is hilarious as Carnby loses his sanity

07 September 2006, 16:03	#22
Kurtz No right to judge him. Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 52	Picked the whole Wing Commander series lately: The Kilrathi Saga, WC4 and Prophecy Gold. I loved WC1 on Amiga so much (despite its numerous technical shortcomings) and I was mad about not seeing any sequels on it... a 030+ AGA machine would have handled WC3 and 4 easily, let alone WC2...

07 September 2006, 16:16	#23
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,040	allright, a good DOS box is like that... and I mean a DOS box, not an old pc with a voodoo to run 3d games... - p200mmx or 166mmx (anything from 486/100 to pentiumII/400 is good, but if you manage to keep under 200Mhz then some old progs won't need speed patches to run... not that this is a big deal, a small TSR can fix it, but for DOS anything above a 200mmx is not really needed... also a pentium1 is a good idead too, let's you run windows98/me so you can easily make a network , use usb devices to transfer stuff to the dosbox and finally use the FAT32 filesystem that does not have the 2GB per partition limitation) - 64 MB ram (if u can find one, lol I use an 128MB SDRAM module...) - A PCI gfx card , with 4MB or 8MB ram , the s3 virge ones where good and common so they are supported a lot. then you need to get also the free UNIVBE 6.7 package to add better VESA screenmodes support... on another thread there where reccomendation for Matrox cards, but I never had any of them... - A soundblaster16 ISA sound card that has the wavetable connector so you can add an extra wavetable daughterboard. there are better sound cards than soundblaster16 for sure, but since we need high compatibillity without messing with drivers/settings, this is an excellent choise. as for the wavetable daughterboard: excellent choises are the Yamaha DB50XG or DB60XG or the Roland SDB-55. ofcourse the ultimate midi+wave combo would be: sb16+db?0XG and an extra isa midi card like the Roland LAPC-I or the SCC-I ... that gives 100% sound satisfaction - 20GB HD ... it is amazing how fast u can fill it with old games I have this dos-box: p166mmx/128MB Ram/20GB HD/Diamond Stealth3D Pro (s3 virge dx) 4MB/SB16+DB60XG/Roland SCC-I and a USB2 pci card to transfer files easily... installed is win98se with the unofficial SP2...

07 September 2006, 21:24	#24
Unknown_K Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio/USA Age: 55 Posts: 1,380	S3 chipped cards are decent at SVGA but for older plain VGA games they are not so hot. Also if you do get into the older DOS games the Gravis Ultrasound is directly supported and sounds decent (also the DEMO scene used it alot).

07 September 2006, 22:00	#25
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,040	In my experience because I had s3 cards back then I never had any probs. We are talking pci here, for isa/vlb the best ones are the Cirrus Logic based cards. Also I don't think that the Gravis Ultrasound is a good option these days. It is a great card, but all I heared was some compatibillity issues... it may require some effort to get it working, patches to be found, etc... In terms of ease and compatibillity I don't think it is a great option... all these info was easily found in the 90's , but now things have changed...

07 September 2006, 22:05	#26
Unknown_K Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio/USA Age: 55 Posts: 1,380	I am talking about early games that had native Ultrasound support built in(back before the soundblaster 16). Compatability issues were from the SB emulkation use on the ultrasound, which I do not worry about because I have a Soundblaster Pro 2.0 in the same machine.

07 September 2006, 22:14	#27
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,040	oh... ok , I misunderstood having both cards solves all comp. issues lol

07 September 2006, 22:57	#29
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,040	for early d3d/glide games I use a p3/550 + voodoo3 agp or voodoo2... as for sound there a simple pci card, in windows it is all the same...

07 September 2006, 23:50	#30
Unknown_K Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio/USA Age: 55 Posts: 1,380	By early 3dFX I mean games like the original tomb raider that you needed to download a glide addon to play in 640x480 or the special Mechwarrior 3dfx edition. For later games I use a p2-400 with a TNT AGP video card along with a Voodoo 2 SLI setup.

08 September 2006, 07:14	#31
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,040	I wish I had my v2 SLI setup still.... I got now a single v2 board by diamond, but it has only 8MB?!? my creative labs ones where 12MB.... maybe I need to search ebay for a SLI setup, or at least the vga cable to connect v2<->vga...

08 September 2006, 13:58	#32
metalrules Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Melbourne / Australia Posts: 32	I built a dos machine a couple of years ago to run my old dos games that i burnt onto a cd (600 games). It contains 166 P1 32 mb ram 10 speed cd rom drive 1 gig hard drive Diamond Stealth 1mb graphics cars Soundblaster 16 sound card 1 joystick 17" flatscreen monitor I still have have it but it is not set up at the moment. I use the D0sbox and Dfend programs to play my old dos games now. P.S. Keropi, do you like the band Hammerfall or just the icon? I have all thier cd's and they kick arse.

08 September 2006, 15:30	#33
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,040	ps. Of course I like HammerFall! I have also the 1st cd limited edition, it is shapped like a wood-cutting disk! way cool! other favorite bands: Helloween, GammaRay, GraveDigger, Edguy, RAGE, Blind Guardian, Nocturnal Rites, GrimReaper, Judas, Saxon, Accept, Iced Earth (up to Horror Show) etc u get the meaning...

08 September 2006, 16:19	#34
Mick_AKA crusader of light Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Stone, Staffordshire. Posts: 1,151	This thread has reminded me that my Voodoo 5 5500 is still sat in its box under my desk! Definitely time to build myself a nice retro PC.

08 September 2006, 16:23	#35
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,040	retro pc with a voodoo5500? lol

08 September 2006, 19:38	#38
spiff Oh noes! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Neverland Posts: 766	It’s probably been said before but anyone with a PC fast enough to run UAE really should try DosBox with MT32Emu and a good frontend like D-fend. With some tweaks I even get the right aspect with my 5:4 TFT screen that sucks in real dos.

08 September 2006, 19:39	#39
pbareges Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: montreal / canada Age: 47 Posts: 722	Webmaster ...where are you ?? LET'S BURN THIS HERETIC THREAD!!

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