05 January 2017, 08:06 | #1 |
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Newbie question re Hard Drives and WB installs
Can WB installs on one Hard Drive be directly copied onto another via DiskOpus and be booted? More directly: I have a ClassicWB install on an HDF image; if I boot that in WinUAE and add a Compact Flash hard drive as a secondary HD, and copy the HDF contents onto the Compact Flash, will it just work?
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05 January 2017, 08:15 | #2 |
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Yep! Just format the disk and give it the same label like DH0: if using a workbench pack. You may need to run UAE as an administrator.
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Ah, perfect! So there's no need to suffer the horror of zipping the whole ClassicWB install and using the ADF image. That sure saves a lot of hassle.
New question: What file system should I use for a CF hard drive? I will be using it on an A500 with 512mb slow mem and an ACA500plus accelerator (14mhz 68EC000 and 8mb fast ram). |
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don't forget to use hdtoolbox to prepare the cf first, make a partition large enough (or whole size of the cf) for the adf contents, and set the "bootable" switch in the cf rdb or your copy will not boot
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06 January 2017, 09:17 | #6 |
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Sorry but you are mistaken. Format the CF card in winuae and give it the same label as your hdf. Then, in DOPUS for example, copy the contents of your virtual drive onto the CF. Now you can use the CF in a real amiga.
In classicwb, for example, many assigns expect the boot media to be dh0: What are these strange problems? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro |
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I think he meant to say "and" instead of "or"?
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06 January 2017, 16:25 | #8 |
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copy dh0: dh1: all clone quiet
Probably the fastest way, assuming the source disk is DH0: and the destination is DH1: |
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06 January 2017, 17:09 | #10 |
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Yeah, it's two issues. One copying the files (pretty easy) and the other one is setting up the other solid state drive to boot properly.
You nearly ALWAYS have to use the same hard disk utility to prepare BOTH drives, unless you really know what you are doing... so if you don't know what the current drive was formatted with, it can be a case of "prepare 2nd drive with all known Amiga hard drive utilities until the 2nd drive does actually boot". So it can be a case of "try 'em all". Official CBM HDToolbox and Cyberscsi for the Blizzard scsis are the most common, because they can be used with bigger drives, I think. There are others, like old school Faastprep for GVP controllers. Some of them are mind buggeringly difficult to identify, let alone find a copy of, That is if you are plugging the solid state device (CD or SD or whateverr) into an Amiga via hard disk, it will boot using a "copy" of the ADF. It's possible to fudge it to a certain extent. Another issue - compact flash drives are NOT hard drives on the Amiga, if connected to the PCMCIA slot I think. You DON'T need to set them up to boot as a hard drive, so they are MUCH easier to plug into an A600 or A1200. They are more like big floppies, and don't have an RDB at all. They have a boot track like a floppy. So if they are formatted right, with a fairly good card.device running them, no hardware issues (PCMCIA port can be dead, y'know) you can install them Install CC0: Then they boot (they might not load workbench, but you should get an AmigaDOS prompt at least), if plugged into the PCMCIA at boot. On a real Amiga. An emulator machine will barf trying to startup from the card, because it needs a Host OS to run on. Then it can emulate an Amiga, and simulates booting one. What you want to plug that compact flash card into, and how it is connected (PCMCIA or hard drive or other) is an issue, if you want it to boot. If that's a classic Amiga, there's a few variations to say the least, before it's good to go. Quite frankly, having a working Workbench floppy can save you an awful lot of tinkering. Even better, a working and booting Amiga CD-ROM disk and a CD-drive connected to the Amiga to boot from, if only temporarily. That's not expensive to setup, because the A1200 and A600 have BOTH a PCMCIA port and an IDE port. Other machines without native compact flash support have a harder time of it, but generally end up with much bigger solid state drives connected. Last edited by Pat the Cat; 06 January 2017 at 18:22. |
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It depends. Terms like DH0: can be DOS devices for specific hardware, like SER: for the serial port.
In which case, you can rename the disk, and yet still refer to it as Label: or maybe "My label:" because it has spaces in the name. Or;- DH0: because that's the DOS device handle. Assigns can remap any old label to any old DOS device or a different folder inside a disk style of DOS device. Some Amiga hard drives are setup not to DH0: at all and just go "huh? Insert disk DH0: please" when you try to access them with that handle. If the HDF file is of such an Amiga hard drive system, expect problems with it working properly. Quote:
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Microsoft just dump all their system files in one main directory called Windows, and scattered across rootdisks where people can't even see them, let along access them. Totally different approach, you're either a noob user and depend on the system, or the sytem just doesn't work until Microsoft patch it, usually pretty quickly. No middle ground. You depend on the OS supplier. For everything. Ditto Apple, but Apple are still making hardware, and LOTS of it. That's no bad thing, you can connect some items to an Amiga. Last edited by Pat the Cat; 07 January 2017 at 05:08. |
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UAE will refer to the hdf as DH0: and the CF card's DH0: partition as DH0_0: - copying the files from the hdf to the cf card results in a 100% accurate clone of the hdf. The card will be known as DH0: once it is in a real Amiga. This is simple and foolproof. There is no cause for concern. I've done this dozens of times.
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UAE of various flavours can do it a lot of ways, I'm sure. But a lot of people are having troubles getting old Amiga archives to BOOT AS WELL from CF or SD or whatever. as well, on resurrected Amiga hardware That's the core of the general situation. There is another issue too, with resurrection. Sweeping the HDF derived system for malware. If you do use an old magazine Coverdisk CD as a starting point, there's no telling what garbage you end up with. It probably won't be dangerous until you execute some code by clicking icons on the systems, but even so, here be dragons. Malware is rife currently, quite frankly. On a lot of systems worldwide, of many flavours. You are probably OK with any Amiga release anyway, so long as you steer clear of self booting floppies and third party applications and games or demos of the period. Especially reader sourced product from a magazine. Or public domain software of the period. Not much is infected, in old archives, maybe 1 in 10000 executables or less, I guess. And none of them are "contagious" unless executed. However, it's out there, and watch out for those sneaky littlebastards Last edited by Pat the Cat; 07 January 2017 at 05:08. |
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Thanks for the response Pat. FWIW my quoted response embedded in yours above was actually directed at idrougge because I disagree with his advice that naming a CF the same as your hdf is bad. It creates zero problems and has always been quite successful for me.
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Beats me. But it's the big standard way to use uae to duplicate and hdf.
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There is a lot of ambiguity in the OP, don't take it as read that your solid state solution to a booting Amiga from a solid state device is the only one. |
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Whether it boots on a real Amiga or not, or whether that's what the OP even wanted to happen, are different issues, and at least people are now a bit more aware of what those issue can be. I'm a big fan of replacing spinning HDs with solid state devices. Less power consumption. Better reliability. Better lifespan. |
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