What am I doing Wrong?

RMadrid · 28 March 2005, 01:54

I have installed Amiga Forever, everything works great, except that all the games I load only play in very low resolution and very few colors. I remember playing those games at 800x600 res and 16m colors on my A2000.

I have the resolution on WINUAE set at 1024x768x32!, I also have installed Amiga in a Box, and the workbench has lots of colors, but the same problem appears when a play games installed on HD or boot from ADF floppies.

What am I doing wrong?

Please help!, would like to see those great graphics I remember!

28 March 2005, 01:58

You spent too much time without an Amiga it seems.

Games with 800x600@24bit graphics on an A2000? No way!

Search for your games in the hall of light database. The screenshots show how the games should look like:

http://hol.abime.net/

RMadrid · 28 March 2005, 02:03

It has been a long time, like 15 years, but I remember at leat beeing 64k colors, then later on I had installed a graphics card and a genlock, but I don't remember the models.
The problem is that all the games I load only play like in 8 or 16 colors! Why?
Examples: Syndicate and Silent Service only boot on low res and I remember playing them at 800x600 at 64k colors.

28 March 2005, 02:07

Right, with a graphics card you can have that many colors under workbench but nearly all the games back then were made for the basic A500 with OCS or ECS chipset which can have a maximum of 32 colors on screen (plus a copper effect)

I think even the PC version of Syndicate was VGA!

completely normal screenshots

RMadrid · 28 March 2005, 02:17

Yeah!, that's how I remember it, that was 64k colors, I'm only getting 8 or 16? on all games I play on WINUAE! I must be doing something wrong!

28 March 2005, 02:18

Hmm NO.

VGA=256 colors!
I mentioned VGA because VGA PC games had more colors than amiga versions at that time. Those ECS Amiga screenshots I linked probably have 32, or 16.

I know it's shocking but THE GAMES YOU PLAY ONLY HAVE 32 COLORS

Always did, always will.

Doesn't 64000 colors in games back in 1990 sound too fantastic to be true?

That would kill many other gaming platforms including the arcades!

Amiga1992 · 28 March 2005, 02:21

WTF?

THAT IS NOT 64K COLORS, AND DEFINITELY NOT 800X600

Put your glasses on old man because your vision is already failing

THAT is what you are doing wrong, reach for the table...aha! I bet your 3" thick glasses are there!

RMadrid · 28 March 2005, 02:28

Whatever the amount is, doesn't solve my problem ... the problem persists and the game doesn't even look close to that, something is wrong!

28 March 2005, 02:30

Are you serious?

Amiga1992 · 28 March 2005, 02:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by RMadrid

Whatever the amount is, doesn't solve my problem ... the problem persists and the game doesn't even look close to that, something is wrong!

Ok seems we have a little problem here. I'll try turning on the Accessibility OPtions....

65k colors = 65000 colors.
the Amiga only displays 32 COLORS, maybe LESS in the case of Syndicate
The Amiga's resolution is 320x256.
Your memories of having 65k colors and 800x600 are terribly WRONG.
As long as you set WinUAE to use a 16bit resolution, you are looking at the game as it should be.

Are you sure you are wearing your correct glasses?

phew

RMadrid · 28 March 2005, 02:45

My problem is not with my sight, but my memory, just checked the internet and the max. colors where 4,096 in HAM mode, Max res (640 x 512). I'm only getting 4 or 8 colors at 320 x 256. I still insist that I have a problem with WinUAE.

Amiga1992 · 28 March 2005, 02:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by RMadrid

My problem is not with my sight, but my memory, just checked the internet and the max. colors where 4,096 in HAM mode, Max res (640 x 512). I'm only getting 4 or 8 colors at 320 x 256. I still insist that I have a problem with WinUAE.

This is your last chance before I mark you as a stubborn twat and never pay attention again to your messages.

Look at the screenshots that are in HOL, those screenshots are in 320x256 and possess 17 colors, I HAVE COUNTED THEM, so the problem is probably with you believeing your failing old memory.

Test: These are 7 COLORS
Can you recognize each and every one of them? ;p

28 March 2005, 02:51

I'm not sure either you're serious or having fun but here is my response:

HAM is the hold and modify mode that is only capable of displaying a STATIC SCREEN and is very crap at it. If it moves, it can't be HAM! You can't put sprites on the screen and move them around using the HAM mode. It's not a true "multimedia" mode. There are NO GAMES using the HAM mode and I can't be arsed to explain this any better as long as you can't be arsed to check the screenshots I linked.

Just believe me, your emulator is doing fine.
This is not a WinUAE problem, this is a WinUAE user problem.

dirkies · 28 March 2005, 03:28

didn't "federation of free traders" use HAM for parts of the action screens?

icewizard2k5 · 28 March 2005, 03:37

800x600

winuae version?
video card?

use the filter to stretch the screen

Amiga1992 · 28 March 2005, 06:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirkies

didn't "federation of free traders" use HAM for parts of the action screens?

Links Golf also uses HAM but that can hardly be considered a game, can it

adolescent · 28 March 2005, 06:33

IIRC, the only 24bit Amiga gtame from that time was King of Karate for the Opalvision. It was pretty impresive for the time, but not worth buying an Opalvision for.

RMadrid · 28 March 2005, 07:20

I must be becoming senile, Alzheimer's runs in the family!

I have just taken some screenshots of the game and compared them to the ones on the site at the same size, and they look exactly the same.

Sorry, everything seems to be ok, I guess I was confused with the pentium 100 I had after the A2000, I also had the syndicate game on it.

I've had so many computers and so many different OS, it gets confusing at times, but I do remember editing video on the A2000.

To bad I can't get the A1000 to start, all of the kickstart disks are corrupt, I guess I'll have to buy new ones, then again, probably most of the games are corrupt too.

Thanks for the help and patience!, some funny post, had lost of laughs!

icewizard2k5 · 28 March 2005, 08:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by RMadrid

To bad I can't get the A1000 to start, all of the kickstart disks are corrupt

ask i'm sure someone that has it will help you.

28 March 2005, 08:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by RMadrid

.

Sorry, everything seems to be ok, I guess I was confused with the pentium 100 I had after the A2000, I also had the syndicate game on it.

That probably was "Syndicate Wars", the 3d sequel.

Quote:

didn't "federation of free traders" use HAM for parts of the action screens?

I'm sure there are some such games but this isn't what we're talking about is is?

28 March 2005, 01:54	#1
RMadrid Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Rhode Island, USA Age: 66 Posts: 11	What am I doing Wrong? I have installed Amiga Forever, everything works great, except that all the games I load only play in very low resolution and very few colors. I remember playing those games at 800x600 res and 16m colors on my A2000. I have the resolution on WINUAE set at 1024x768x32!, I also have installed Amiga in a Box, and the workbench has lots of colors, but the same problem appears when a play games installed on HD or boot from ADF floppies. What am I doing wrong? Please help!, would like to see those great graphics I remember!

28 March 2005, 02:07	#4
oldpx Posts: n/a	Right, with a graphics card you can have that many colors under workbench but nearly all the games back then were made for the basic A500 with OCS or ECS chipset which can have a maximum of 32 colors on screen (plus a copper effect) I think even the PC version of Syndicate was VGA! completely normal screenshots Last edited by oldpx; 28 March 2005 at 02:17.

28 March 2005, 02:18	#6
oldpx Posts: n/a	Hmm NO. VGA=256 colors! I mentioned VGA because VGA PC games had more colors than amiga versions at that time. Those ECS Amiga screenshots I linked probably have 32, or 16. I know it's shocking but THE GAMES YOU PLAY ONLY HAVE 32 COLORS Always did, always will. Doesn't 64000 colors in games back in 1990 sound too fantastic to be true? That would kill many other gaming platforms including the arcades! Last edited by oldpx; 28 March 2005 at 02:28.

28 March 2005, 02:51	#13
oldpx Posts: n/a	I'm not sure either you're serious or having fun but here is my response: HAM is the hold and modify mode that is only capable of displaying a STATIC SCREEN and is very crap at it. If it moves, it can't be HAM! You can't put sprites on the screen and move them around using the HAM mode. It's not a true "multimedia" mode. There are NO GAMES using the HAM mode and I can't be arsed to explain this any better as long as you can't be arsed to check the screenshots I linked. Just believe me, your emulator is doing fine. This is not a WinUAE problem, this is a WinUAE user problem. Last edited by oldpx; 28 March 2005 at 02:56.

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28 March 2005, 01:58	#2
oldpx Posts: n/a	You spent too much time without an Amiga it seems. Games with 800x600@24bit graphics on an A2000? No way! Search for your games in the hall of light database. The screenshots show how the games should look like: http://hol.abime.net/

28 March 2005, 02:03	#3
RMadrid Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Rhode Island, USA Age: 66 Posts: 11	It has been a long time, like 15 years, but I remember at leat beeing 64k colors, then later on I had installed a graphics card and a genlock, but I don't remember the models. The problem is that all the games I load only play like in 8 or 16 colors! Why? Examples: Syndicate and Silent Service only boot on low res and I remember playing them at 800x600 at 64k colors.

28 March 2005, 02:17	#5
RMadrid Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Rhode Island, USA Age: 66 Posts: 11	Yeah!, that's how I remember it, that was 64k colors, I'm only getting 8 or 16? on all games I play on WINUAE! I must be doing something wrong!

28 March 2005, 02:21	#7
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,645	WTF? THAT IS NOT 64K COLORS, AND DEFINITELY NOT 800X600 Put your glasses on old man because your vision is already failing THAT is what you are doing wrong, reach for the table...aha! I bet your 3" thick glasses are there!

28 March 2005, 02:28	#8
RMadrid Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Rhode Island, USA Age: 66 Posts: 11	Whatever the amount is, doesn't solve my problem ... the problem persists and the game doesn't even look close to that, something is wrong!

28 March 2005, 02:45	#11
RMadrid Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Rhode Island, USA Age: 66 Posts: 11	My problem is not with my sight, but my memory, just checked the internet and the max. colors where 4,096 in HAM mode, Max res (640 x 512). I'm only getting 4 or 8 colors at 320 x 256. I still insist that I have a problem with WinUAE.

28 March 2005, 03:28	#14
dirkies Zone Friend Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Belgium Age: 51 Posts: 1,296	didn't "federation of free traders" use HAM for parts of the action screens?

28 March 2005, 03:37	#15
icewizard2k5 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Australia Age: 38 Posts: 200	800x600 winuae version? video card? use the filter to stretch the screen

28 March 2005, 06:33	#17
adolescent Powered by Motorola Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Redondo Beach, CA Age: 52 Posts: 1,065	IIRC, the only 24bit Amiga gtame from that time was King of Karate for the Opalvision. It was pretty impresive for the time, but not worth buying an Opalvision for.

28 March 2005, 07:20	#18
RMadrid Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Rhode Island, USA Age: 66 Posts: 11	I must be becoming senile, Alzheimer's runs in the family! I have just taken some screenshots of the game and compared them to the ones on the site at the same size, and they look exactly the same. Sorry, everything seems to be ok, I guess I was confused with the pentium 100 I had after the A2000, I also had the syndicate game on it. I've had so many computers and so many different OS, it gets confusing at times, but I do remember editing video on the A2000. To bad I can't get the A1000 to start, all of the kickstart disks are corrupt, I guess I'll have to buy new ones, then again, probably most of the games are corrupt too. Thanks for the help and patience!, some funny post, had lost of laughs!

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