New Beast on the Block

s2325 · 10 January 2009, 21:18

http://www.wayofthepixel.net/pixelat...p?topic=2344.0
http://www.wayofthepixel.net/pixelat...p?topic=2343.0

TCD · 10 January 2009, 21:44

Some really nice ideas and/or edits there

Cool find s2325

Maybe someone decides to make a remake with the new GFX.

laffer · 11 January 2009, 04:33

Very cool links, thanks! Interesting to read them debating the graphics and techniques used in the game as well (the second link).

Pyromania · 11 January 2009, 09:14

Still love those damn games, bought all three way back when.

Muzkat · 11 January 2009, 09:36

Some of those retouches are gorgeous.

AmigaFriend · 11 January 2009, 12:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Muzkat

Some of those retouches are gorgeous.

Indeed. Very nice graphics. Pitty some pictures are no longer available on the image tags

Stumbled

coze · 11 January 2009, 12:32

they should have more respect for the original artist though, cause he didn't have multi GHz beasts and graphic boards these kids have ...

s2325 · 11 January 2009, 12:37

Yes, they forgot that. Also some of new versions have different atmosphere than original. One example: http://www.foolstown.com/misc/beast.gif for me original is "mad beast from dark woods" but "remake" is "happy retard will catch you".

TCD · 11 January 2009, 12:46

The second thread really shows a lack of respect for the original work. In the first thread they at least point out that they use all the new gadgets that are available.

Shoonay · 11 January 2009, 13:16

Great find, stumbled

coze · 11 January 2009, 13:20

is there are possibility of a beast remake with some sprites from these guys ?

TCD · 11 January 2009, 13:32

We can ask gimbal if he's interested after his LN2 remake. On the other hand he might not be interested at all

coze · 11 January 2009, 14:08

I think beast engine shouldn't be too hard to code. move the sprite, check collision, etc ... artwork was the harder part probably.

gimbal · 11 January 2009, 22:34

meh, not enough challenge tech wise, but more than enough challenge in making an actual GAME out of it in stead of a tech demo

Marcuz · 11 January 2009, 23:13

i think the 2nd thread is also cool (i have not read it all) as it ponts out some neat trick of design, for instance the use of the palettes...

anyway some art there is great! i love pixel art, but i'm helpless at it! that's very cool and very specific use of graphic design

humble worm · 12 January 2009, 08:42

Quote:

they should have more respect for the original artist though, cause he didn't have multi GHz beasts and graphic boards these kids have ...

on some polish pixel art board I saw young guys attacking a demo scene veteran - they were claiming that his works shouldnt have been posted there as they were not true pixelart (because of some features Dpaint allegedly has - auto aa or something)

- there was pretty big flame I tell you

sharprm · 13 January 2009, 11:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by humble worm

on some polish pixel art board I saw young guys attacking a demo scene veteran - they were claiming that his works shouldnt have been posted there as they were not true pixelart (because of some features Dpaint allegedly has - auto aa or something)

- there was pretty big flame I tell you

Some pixel art people are fundamentalist type retarded. Instead of thinking of pixel art as an aesthetic or 'end', they have a narrow definition of pixel art based on the method or 'means'. That is, pixel art is "each pixel being placed by hand". So they can ignore the end (sometimes awesome art) and potentially insult the artist and feel justified in doing so because he/she "used dirty tricks to get to the end".

No game will come out of that thread. Although Helm mentions indie scene, its just an excuse to add highlights and anatomy and give each other high fives. No-one made a full mockup so there is no guarantee that those sprites could form part of an aesthetically pleasing game with atmosphere. The codification and refinement was assumed, not proved.

>>Yes, they forgot that. Also some of new versions have different >>atmosphere than original. One example: >>http://www.foolstown.com/misc/beast.gif for me original is "mad beast >>from dark woods" but "remake" is "happy retard will catch you".

Fool's stuff is great though - check out his website.

>>hey should have more respect for the original artist though, cause he >>didn't have multi GHz beasts and graphic boards these kids have ...

Pixel programs such as graphics gale have less features than deluxe paint. I don't think its the limitations of machines that limited the art creation. "graphic boards" probably help alot ... but also games like "chaos engine" that have come out since SOTB. SOTB2 had better graphics anyway.

sharprm · 14 January 2009, 06:14

Playing around a bit ... thought I'd share it (not only to show off

) but to back up earlier point - the 'refinement' is assumed and not proved. The following is a picture with high saturation/dark backdrop that better feels like Karamoon. Next to it is the low saturation backdrop with high saturation foreground. The latter would work for these "refinements" but lacks atmosphere. The former requires sprites which lack the value range (ie. dark bits) to work, which was criticised. Although this doesn't prove that SOTB or SOTB2 can't be improved on.

I think the Pixelation discussion and challenge did not pay attention to overall design, which is very important when u actually try and make a game. Some people did mentioned the point though:

"In the games that Psygnosis released during this era, including Sotb 1 and 2, Ork... and several more, the fact that the foreground was less saturated than the parallax background constituted to a feeling of otherworldliness, which I still find quite unique and.. kind of spooky, exciting." jj naas

"I noticed when I did my put high contrast sprite remake over one of the actual SotB backgrounds that large parts of it disappeared. All the sprites in the game are drawn with colours from the upper half of the palette. This is an interesting reversal of high contrast sprites on low contrast backgrounds." lackey

laffer · 14 January 2009, 06:21

Nice! You even put the box art monster from Beast 2 in there

Marcuz · 14 January 2009, 15:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by sharprm

Playing around a bit ... thought I'd share it (not only to show off

) but to back up earlier point - the 'refinement' is assumed and not proved. The following is a picture with high saturation/dark backdrop that better feels like Karamoon. Next to it is the low saturation backdrop with high saturation foreground. The latter would work for these "refinements" but lacks atmosphere. The former requires sprites which lack the value range (ie. dark bits) to work, which was criticised. Although this doesn't prove that SOTB or SOTB2 can't be improved on.

I think the Pixelation discussion and challenge did not pay attention to overall design, which is very important when u actually try and make a game. Some people did mentioned the point though:

"In the games that Psygnosis released during this era, including Sotb 1 and 2, Ork... and several more, the fact that the foreground was less saturated than the parallax background constituted to a feeling of otherworldliness, which I still find quite unique and.. kind of spooky, exciting." jj naas

"I noticed when I did my put high contrast sprite remake over one of the actual SotB backgrounds that large parts of it disappeared. All the sprites in the game are drawn with colours from the upper half of the palette. This is an interesting reversal of high contrast sprites on low contrast backgrounds." lackey

coolness and great comment!

10 January 2009, 21:18	#1
s2325 Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Gargore Age: 43 Posts: 17,789	New Beast on the Block http://www.wayofthepixel.net/pixelat...p?topic=2344.0 http://www.wayofthepixel.net/pixelat...p?topic=2343.0

11 January 2009, 12:37	#8
s2325 Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Gargore Age: 43 Posts: 17,789	Yes, they forgot that. Also some of new versions have different atmosphere than original. One example: http://www.foolstown.com/misc/beast.gif for me original is "mad beast from dark woods" but "remake" is "happy retard will catch you". Last edited by s2325; 11 January 2009 at 12:43.

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10 January 2009, 21:44	#2
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,525	Some really nice ideas and/or edits there Cool find s2325 Maybe someone decides to make a remake with the new GFX.

11 January 2009, 04:33	#3
laffer Zone Friend Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Norway Age: 43 Posts: 1,335	Very cool links, thanks! Interesting to read them debating the graphics and techniques used in the game as well (the second link).

11 January 2009, 09:14	#4
Pyromania Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 3,375	Still love those damn games, bought all three way back when.

11 January 2009, 09:36	#5
Muzkat Into the Wonderful Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Earthrealm Age: 42 Posts: 1,426	Some of those retouches are gorgeous.

11 January 2009, 12:32	#7
coze hastala vista winny vista Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: mt fuji Age: 46 Posts: 1,335	they should have more respect for the original artist though, cause he didn't have multi GHz beasts and graphic boards these kids have ...

11 January 2009, 12:46	#9
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,525	The second thread really shows a lack of respect for the original work. In the first thread they at least point out that they use all the new gadgets that are available.

11 January 2009, 13:16	#10
Shoonay Global Caturator Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Porando Age: 43 Posts: 6,105	Great find, stumbled

11 January 2009, 13:20	#11
coze hastala vista winny vista Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: mt fuji Age: 46 Posts: 1,335	is there are possibility of a beast remake with some sprites from these guys ?

11 January 2009, 13:32	#12
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,525	We can ask gimbal if he's interested after his LN2 remake. On the other hand he might not be interested at all

11 January 2009, 14:08	#13
coze hastala vista winny vista Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: mt fuji Age: 46 Posts: 1,335	I think beast engine shouldn't be too hard to code. move the sprite, check collision, etc ... artwork was the harder part probably.

11 January 2009, 22:34	#14
gimbal cheeky scoundrel Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Spijkenisse/Netherlands Age: 42 Posts: 6,908	meh, not enough challenge tech wise, but more than enough challenge in making an actual GAME out of it in stead of a tech demo

11 January 2009, 23:13	#15
Marcuz Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: . Age: 48 Posts: 5,562	i think the 2nd thread is also cool (i have not read it all) as it ponts out some neat trick of design, for instance the use of the palettes... anyway some art there is great! i love pixel art, but i'm helpless at it! that's very cool and very specific use of graphic design

14 January 2009, 06:14	#18
sharprm Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Melb Posts: 56	Playing around a bit ... thought I'd share it (not only to show off ) but to back up earlier point - the 'refinement' is assumed and not proved. The following is a picture with high saturation/dark backdrop that better feels like Karamoon. Next to it is the low saturation backdrop with high saturation foreground. The latter would work for these "refinements" but lacks atmosphere. The former requires sprites which lack the value range (ie. dark bits) to work, which was criticised. Although this doesn't prove that SOTB or SOTB2 can't be improved on. I think the Pixelation discussion and challenge did not pay attention to overall design, which is very important when u actually try and make a game. Some people did mentioned the point though: "In the games that Psygnosis released during this era, including Sotb 1 and 2, Ork... and several more, the fact that the foreground was less saturated than the parallax background constituted to a feeling of otherworldliness, which I still find quite unique and.. kind of spooky, exciting." jj naas "I noticed when I did my put high contrast sprite remake over one of the actual SotB backgrounds that large parts of it disappeared. All the sprites in the game are drawn with colours from the upper half of the palette. This is an interesting reversal of high contrast sprites on low contrast backgrounds." lackey

14 January 2009, 06:21	#19
laffer Zone Friend Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Norway Age: 43 Posts: 1,335	Nice! You even put the box art monster from Beast 2 in there

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