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I'm interested in one of these boards as well. :-)
If you decide to make larger changes, one consideration might be to go full E-ATX and have the CPU slot more towards the front of the machine so that a CSMK2 + CyberSCSI would fit. Not sure if it's possible to squeeze a fifth Zorro slot in there, probably not trivial either. :-) Last edited by Jope; 21 August 2018 at 10:04. |
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well both options for having pci cards seem a good thing but unfortunately I dont think elbox will show any interest in support Hese but i hope that i'm wrong lol.
i think the prometheus, like i linked before, seems a good option. the lack of drivers its a matter of people devoting their passion to this project and help it grow. unfortunately i dont have the knowledge otherwise i would help Hese in everything i could. to finish again mate congrats in this awesome project. |
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if someone want to help develop drivers were i should start?
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I lack any technical knowledge. But if the Elbox mediator daughter boards are really simple (not containing Mach/TTL/GAL whatever logic chips/active components), in theory you could implement this in the PCB instead of the ISA slots and still use the original A4000D(i) Mediator bridgeboard to provide you access to the PCI bus. And when layout is done smart you could even save the video slot maybe. Although indeed ATX size is a bit limiting here.
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From my little knowledge they use a bunch of CPLD's in PLCC format. the magic appears to be in the programming.
I think Hese can have two options, redo a new board and incorporate Prometheus project if someone help him develop drivers and correct the DMA issues that Prometheus have, or can copy the lower board ( https://thumbs.worthpoint.com/zoom/i...5313bc1481.jpg ) to accept the elbox bridge board to activate the PCI's (top board). Also I like to thanks Marlon_ for the PM about OpenPCI Github project ( https://github.com/jeperk/OpenPCI ) is a good start to develop drivers. but I will stop with the off topic. once again this thread is to talk about A4000 ATX bosrd made the incredible Hese |
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Yes, but as far as I know, all CPLDs are on the logic bridgeboard, not on the daughterboard (with the slots). So if on the mainboard the ISA slots are replaced with PCI slots (and traces), would that be enough and can you simply plugin the Mediator bridgeboard to make the PCI slots work?
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The Mediator bridgeboard I linked just plugs into a Zorro slot and the slots are perpendicular to the motherboard like the Zorro slots are, they're just something like 1/2" higher up than they normally would be. If you then want to still use Zorro slots then you have to get the Zorro risers so they will clear the PCI board.
The DMA fix for the Prometheus is available but you have to make contact with a M Boehmer on A1K. Hedeon mentioned at one point he could see about making his driver work with the Prometheus but there are not many of them out there and the original version had a rather hacky method for mounting the PCI cards. It would be cool to integrate the Prometheus directly on the motherboard but there should be some means of interfacing it directly to an 040 or 060 so it doesn't have to traverse the slow motherboard logic. |
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As for relocating DSUBs, that requires a major rerouting and needs more space on the board than what is available. But I'll keep that in mind for the future revision. Quote:
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Nice, nice, so great you're considering many of the suggestions. I doubt Ethernet would make sense, at least just as a pass through socket together with the other connections, since most Ethernet cards are full length zorro cards that take up a bracket anyway. USB however (Highway etc.) could be helped with a pass through socket somewhere in the connectors area. Saves you a bracket, for example to put a CF adapter, easily accessible. Just wondering wether it would be possible to even combine Prometheus and Mediator support. If for mediator support it only requires the PCI slots, and traces for the connecting bus, than maybe with a jumper you can connect/disconnect it to the additional Prometheus circuits? |
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SPI headers maybe? There are a few accelerator projects now that uses them. So it would possibly enable sharing of drivers between these projects. There are already ethernet modules for SPI with drivers for Amiga.
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I thought of one Modification the the Motherboard an option to disable the onboard CPU since my A4000/040 has on onboard CPU, and i use a WarpEngine for CPU and SCSI support.
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do not solder in CPU. put a resistor on pads below cpu..
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My suggestion for any future PCI plans is add enough address lines so at least 1GB of PCI space is available, so we don't run into the problems we're having on the Mediator with a max of 512MB of address space. Not sure whether 1.5GB is possible but that would be ideal.
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Excellent job! Any plans to mass produce the board with the common avail components and sockets for the Amiga chips?
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Any consideration for adding more space between the fast slot and the rear of the machine? I can provide you with the footprint of the CSMK2 + CybSCSI2 if you like. :-)
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