HOL v3 Launch: Feedback - Page 2

grafpatrick · 17 July 2023, 09:20

Sadly, on the main information-page of the games it is no longer visible if a game has an (official) ipf. I always found that information very helpful (together with the information if a whdload-installer exists - which is still there) without needing to click on the links.

ransom1122 · 17 July 2023, 11:36

Sorry, but not a fan of this new look for all the same reasons other members are saying...

No list mode
things are too big
nothing condenced

makes it very hard to play guess the screenshot as well

but if this is the way forward then we have to put up with it..

TCD · 17 July 2023, 11:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by ransom1122

No list mode

It's still possible:

I agree that there should be an option to make it the default.

CodyJarrett · 17 July 2023, 11:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by ransom1122

Sorry, but not a fan of this new look for all the same reasons other members are saying...

No list mode
things are too big
nothing condenced

makes it very hard to play guess the screenshot as well

but if this is the way forward then we have to put up with it..

There's a game search list mode - there are layout icons at the top right of the page.

DDNI · 17 July 2023, 12:11

No easy way to filter that list or jump too specific letter?

ransom1122 · 17 July 2023, 12:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by CodyJarrett

There's a game search list mode - there are layout icons at the top right of the page.

Still looks "big"

Also it defaults to Title Screen mode.. Default on List mode would be nice...

Double barrel image is not visible unless you click the game entry. Previously Double Barrel image was shown in list mode and list mode looked neat and tidy and condensed

ransom1122 · 17 July 2023, 12:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by DDNI

No easy way to filter that list or jump too specific letter?

Click "Games" Then select the Letter you want

alexh · 17 July 2023, 12:45

Thanks for all the hard work behind the scenes.

I am an extreme HOL user and find it an amazing resource but I was extremely used to the old version so I may not be the best person to provide non-biased feedback.

I have to adjust zoom to 67% before it shows approx the same amount of information that could be seen at 100% on the old HOL. Is this deliberate? I don't care for desktop as my browser will remember the zoom level per website but mobile no so much.

The lack of visible boundary boxes around each field makes it difficult to determine which field an entry is in (e.g. Is that the bottom name in coder or top name in Graphics). I'd like to see the boundaries between fields come back.

It would be good if a link to the advanced search option was next to the search box. I was able to find it but only because I knew where it was before.

What has happened to all the new "Quickmatch" searches that I was working with TCD on? e.g. Network Serial, 4 player adapter etc.

DDNI · 17 July 2023, 13:50

@ransom1122
Ta, I know that.
I meant from the singular list.

CrazyOne · 18 July 2023, 20:01

Hello.

I had a quick look at the new HOL design today and I must say that it looks lovely.

The main site gives me nice almost Steam-like vibes (I would say it looks even better than Steam, more transparent, not too clogged up).

At first I was suprised to see "Games" in Genres for...well...games, but when I clicked on it, I knew what it meant (perhaps "Board" or "Table" would be a better description).

I will take a longer look during the next days, but I can already say that I like what I see so far.

Gzegzolka · 19 July 2023, 12:21

I am used to old Hol design and I thinks it was more easy to navigate. I understood that updates were need to be made, but new mobile look looks too simple and not easy to navigate. It would be easy to write that new HOL looks awful, but let's try to make it constructive, maybe there will be people who feel same way as I.
I do not mind how now looks main page and it's integration with other sites is a good thing. I would love to see integration in links section with Moby database of games. Next big move could be update of RACK with non English magazines and use that to update HOL with more reviews/previews.
Next thing are icons on each game entry page, they are too bland, buttons with English text like in old version was very easy to navigate and You already know in with section You will land. Maybe try to add icons and text, try different options, maybe small icon pictogram on left and text on right side of button. Or small text under each icon.
Worst part in new HOL is update page, it looks unreadable both in PC and mobile versions. I like old one because it looks like table in excel with nice separation for each entry, by background color below text, by that small dark lines between each cell with text and by forcing text to stay in one line. It makes it easy to read and find each part of information about nature of each update entry. Now it looks like text is formated to fit screen, even if it means to collapse text down to next lines and reduce separation, it ends with hard to read page with text that try to mix and blend together just to stay on screen.
I hope it can be fixed/polished or we can have old skin over new engine.

alexh · 19 July 2023, 13:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gzegzolka

Worst part in new HOL is update page, it looks unreadable both in PC and mobile versions.

Update page?

TCD · 19 July 2023, 13:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexh

Update page?

This one: https://amiga.abime.net/games/updates

Aulapatchuc · 19 July 2023, 18:03

After a few days browsing I have to agree that the layout is way too big for the desktop. Zoom at 67% to see the pictures inside my browser space.

There should be lines separating the fields for easier readability and to identify more clearly the info of each field.

Other than that works very well.
On mobile I think it has a very good layout, the design working very well.

Nobby_UK · 19 July 2023, 23:31

I'll stick with https://oldhol.abime.net/

malko · 20 July 2023, 07:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nobby_UK

I'll stick with https://oldhol.abime.net/

Mind the bold letters :

Quote:

Originally Posted by CodyJarrett

You can now still access old HOL here:

https://oldhol.abime.net [note: no longer updated]

I'll create a legacy skin for the new website and improve the new site with smaller fonts, better layout on game pages etc.

Gzegzolka · 20 July 2023, 11:06

I hope that this will fix most issues.

kriz · 21 July 2023, 16:40

Looking great, still some tweaking but that is natural in such a big project.

What i see i like best when i zoom to only 50%-70% on this screen (4k 3840z2160 300% windows setting). Then everything looks fine here, else many things are too big, check @ 50%:

I see also the top is two images are getting cut between 992 > 1300px , maybe change size between those resolutions, or go for the one below 992px:

Else when i click images to zoom it do not really get any bigger when i have the zoom level @50%

Keep up the great work !!

malko · 21 July 2023, 18:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcuz

[...]

you can no more save images from the screenshot popup; I get that it is a choice to protect the content, but it's a pity for the aforementioned "Guess the Screenshot" game

[...]

Instead of clicking to open the pop-up, right click to save the picture, copy it, open it in a new tab, etc.
Mind to check the size to be in line with GtS rules

TCD · 21 July 2023, 18:30

Hmm, for me it still works when I right click on the image in the popup and select 'save image as'.

17 July 2023, 09:20	#21
grafpatrick Registered User Join Date: Oct 2022 Location: Germany Posts: 68	Sadly, on the main information-page of the games it is no longer visible if a game has an (official) ipf. I always found that information very helpful (together with the information if a whdload-installer exists - which is still there) without needing to click on the links. Last edited by RCK; 18 July 2023 at 20:41. Reason: stop direct signing Patrick !

17 July 2023, 13:50	#29
DDNI Targ Explorer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 5,432	@ransom1122 Ta, I know that. I meant from the singular list. Last edited by DDNI; 17 July 2023 at 15:01.

18 July 2023, 20:01	#30
CrazyOne TheCrazyDevil ;) Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Berlin/Germany Age: 40 Posts: 221	Lovely Hello. I had a quick look at the new HOL design today and I must say that it looks lovely. The main site gives me nice almost Steam-like vibes (I would say it looks even better than Steam, more transparent, not too clogged up). At first I was suprised to see "Games" in Genres for...well...games, but when I clicked on it, I knew what it meant (perhaps "Board" or "Table" would be a better description). I will take a longer look during the next days, but I can already say that I like what I see so far.

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17 July 2023, 11:36	#22
ransom1122 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Omnicorp Age: 45 Posts: 5,819	Sorry, but not a fan of this new look for all the same reasons other members are saying... No list mode things are too big nothing condenced makes it very hard to play guess the screenshot as well but if this is the way forward then we have to put up with it..

17 July 2023, 12:11	#25
DDNI Targ Explorer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 5,432	No easy way to filter that list or jump too specific letter?

17 July 2023, 12:45	#28
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,354	Thanks for all the hard work behind the scenes. I am an extreme HOL user and find it an amazing resource but I was extremely used to the old version so I may not be the best person to provide non-biased feedback. I have to adjust zoom to 67% before it shows approx the same amount of information that could be seen at 100% on the old HOL. Is this deliberate? I don't care for desktop as my browser will remember the zoom level per website but mobile no so much. The lack of visible boundary boxes around each field makes it difficult to determine which field an entry is in (e.g. Is that the bottom name in coder or top name in Graphics). I'd like to see the boundaries between fields come back. It would be good if a link to the advanced search option was next to the search box. I was able to find it but only because I knew where it was before. What has happened to all the new "Quickmatch" searches that I was working with TCD on? e.g. Network Serial, 4 player adapter etc.

19 July 2023, 12:21	#31
Gzegzolka Registered User Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Warszawa / Polska Posts: 1,858	I am used to old Hol design and I thinks it was more easy to navigate. I understood that updates were need to be made, but new mobile look looks too simple and not easy to navigate. It would be easy to write that new HOL looks awful, but let's try to make it constructive, maybe there will be people who feel same way as I. I do not mind how now looks main page and it's integration with other sites is a good thing. I would love to see integration in links section with Moby database of games. Next big move could be update of RACK with non English magazines and use that to update HOL with more reviews/previews. Next thing are icons on each game entry page, they are too bland, buttons with English text like in old version was very easy to navigate and You already know in with section You will land. Maybe try to add icons and text, try different options, maybe small icon pictogram on left and text on right side of button. Or small text under each icon. Worst part in new HOL is update page, it looks unreadable both in PC and mobile versions. I like old one because it looks like table in excel with nice separation for each entry, by background color below text, by that small dark lines between each cell with text and by forcing text to stay in one line. It makes it easy to read and find each part of information about nature of each update entry. Now it looks like text is formated to fit screen, even if it means to collapse text down to next lines and reduce separation, it ends with hard to read page with text that try to mix and blend together just to stay on screen. I hope it can be fixed/polished or we can have old skin over new engine.

19 July 2023, 18:03	#34
Aulapatchuc Registered User Join Date: Apr 2023 Location: Sesimbra Posts: 116	After a few days browsing I have to agree that the layout is way too big for the desktop. Zoom at 67% to see the pictures inside my browser space. There should be lines separating the fields for easier readability and to identify more clearly the info of each field. Other than that works very well. On mobile I think it has a very good layout, the design working very well.

19 July 2023, 23:31	#35
Nobby_UK Registered User Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Liverpool Posts: 2,598	I'll stick with https://oldhol.abime.net/

20 July 2023, 11:06	#37
Gzegzolka Registered User Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Warszawa / Polska Posts: 1,858	I hope that this will fix most issues.

21 July 2023, 16:40	#38
kriz Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: No(R)Way Age: 41 Posts: 3,198	Looking great, still some tweaking but that is natural in such a big project. What i see i like best when i zoom to only 50%-70% on this screen (4k 3840z2160 300% windows setting). Then everything looks fine here, else many things are too big, check @ 50%: I see also the top is two images are getting cut between 992 > 1300px , maybe change size between those resolutions, or go for the one below 992px: Else when i click images to zoom it do not really get any bigger when i have the zoom level @50% Keep up the great work !!

21 July 2023, 18:30	#40
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,606	Hmm, for me it still works when I right click on the image in the popup and select 'save image as'.

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