15 July 2016, 21:21 | #21 |
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I like the look of this a lot! I'm not sure I really need it though?
I'd probably get a mini snes one if they made it through!? |
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The only post on this page that mentions pirate is yours, care to elaborate on who said anything about pirating everything? |
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15 July 2016, 21:49 | #23 |
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Yup, if Nintendo was to reproduce some kind of SNES then I could possibly be interested...
The SNES was a great console and I had loads of games back in the day, unfortunately I gave everything to my younger cousins ...but emulation is very good for these older consoles *** ReadOnlyCat; avert your eyes *** Information about the "SNES DVD" I created here: Original: http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=22669 Revamp: http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=77338 |
16 July 2016, 00:12 | #24 |
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But these are not the originals. They're files of the exact same kind you get for free from your local ROMz site.
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You perfectly know this is licensed work and that most of the price is the license, not the materials. If you feel entitled to them, then all good but do not pretend the bits told you you could copy them. Quote:
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If you own them already, sure, but you made no mention of that detail. Given how often people mention getting games for free/illegally for the Amiga it seems reasonable to assume this is the implicit meaning. I assume you would have said otherwise if you did not want this to be misinterpreted? Please accept my apologies if I assume wrongly but if you are of the opinion that legal options should be favored then maybe it is an opinion worth stating. |
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16 July 2016, 16:09 | #26 |
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You seem to have failed to read the part where I said it should have had a cartridge slot under the fake flap so folk could play their ORIGINAL games! Apart from that, your post was the only one with the word "pirate", no one else mentioned it.
There is plenty of online shops selling both new and used NES games for very little money, or are they just "pirates" too? As for the Raspberry PI, Nintendo have purposefully failed to give folk the option of playing their game cartridges on this remake, so why not? Just another that comments without first READING and comprehending the previous posts, it seems to be getting a regular thing on this forum from some people. |
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It'll be interesting to see if it'll contain the original hardware in a single chip, or off-the-shelf parts running an emulator.
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Your definition of "originals" must differ from mine then. My original Super Mario had a package, a manual, some more paperwork and a cartridge containing the game. The reason it costs money is that it's a tangible product filled with nostalgia and of a limited supply and not some file you can crank out a million copies of in ten minutes.
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When I was developing for the PS1 in 1998, it already cost barely above one euro to manufacture the whole package, CD pressing, manual and jewel case included. Moreover, distribution swallowed well above 50% of the retail price. Even the publisher got lucky to get 40%, not to mention anything about the developer. So, no, the reason your originals cost money has nothing to do with the content. Especially after 30 years when dev costs are long reimbursed, only distribution and license remain. And as you said license value also depends on supply and demand, if there is no demand, it's worthless. Quote:
Because the market, although large would not pay much more for 30 legitimate games. Otherwise the eBay retro market would be long dry for lack of supply if people were willing to pay the current prices of physical retro product (without manuals shall I say! ). There is demand but not enough supply so costs of physical products are high simply because there is no alternative. Nintendo is actually factoring exactly your points by offering a physical alternative, equally official and guaranteed to work properly at a much reduced price, I am not sure what you are complaining about? You get 30 games for 60$ plus a hardware which likely will be hacked to play more games than that anyway. Quote:
You essentially would end up with eBay profiteers selling everyone's stuff in crappy packaging from China, a great race to the bottom with no guarantee on the quality of the content or that the owners are paid properly. Your position is easy to defend when your income does not depend on selling your intellectual property but it does not make for something that would work out for small players in the end. Also, you are sorely overestimating Nintendo's wealth, it is not even in the top 1000 of international companies by market value. It has climbed a bit recently following pokemon Go, but not that much. Last edited by ReadOnlyCat; 17 July 2016 at 06:16. Reason: Mentioned Pokemon Go share surge. |
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", or it could have had a SD card slot under there." led me to think you implied to also allow running non legitimate copies (as well as Akira's mention of the Raspberry PI given that this is what most people use emulation for if I believe what I read here). If that was not the case, then you have my apologies. But on the EAB the vast majority of discussions about emulation bring forward the ability to play pirate games as a clear advantage, so yup, I am 100% willing to admit that this is not your case but once again, you must forgive me for assuming that you would not been advocating samely. I do agree should sure have been more cautious given the first part of your sentence but you must admit your point of view is fairly unpresentative (as is mine). Also, I sure hope you can find it in your heart to forgive me for such a mistake. Quote:
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Can we leave these unsightly generalizations away from these forums? Thanks. |
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Who knows what plans Nintendo has for the future? I mean, what we deem as obvious is not necessarily so for them: just look at how much time it took them to finally make mobile games. Companies have sets of cultural values and habits which influence their actions and make it hard for them to do what we_perceive_ to be the right thing. But Nintendo's revenues were falling pretty steadily these past years so you can bet they were pretty nervous about not making mistakes. Also, even the Atari Flashback was hacked to become capable of playing original cartridges so this one probably will be hacked similarly. |
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17 July 2016, 22:28 | #33 |
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I might get it as a nerd gadget, but the games list is slightly disappointing. I mean they stick the two least interesting titles on there (Castlevania 2 and Zelda 2), but then not endlessly playable classics such as Snake Rattle & Roll, Gremlins 2 or Duck Tales. Still, its a pretty good pack of games otherwise. Fun for the Sunday evenings.
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18 July 2016, 09:57 | #34 |
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I think the interest of the mini NES is a good collector product of Nintendo (of course it's just emulation of the NES games)
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18 July 2016, 21:44 | #35 |
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You don't emulate having something really close to the original controller in your hands though
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Attributing value to a licence on a ROM dump is another case of the reptilian brain at work, albeit under the reign of a different set of sentiments. There are no development costs or distribution costs involved here, what with the goods offered being assets that ended their commercial life a bit over twenty years ago. People will buy this out of the same nostalgia that makes others pay half a month's wages for an old game cartridge, save for a small minority that buy it out of some kind of moral obligation towards a commercial enterprise. Quote:
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19 July 2016, 03:30 | #37 |
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I think we need to stop judging the Mini NES and wait till they release it. Lets see if its a emulator or NES-on-a-chip system , and see how it plays and feels. I own few all in one systems, from C64TV to Colecovision etc, and I enjoy them all. Some AtGames consoles are not the best like the Sega Genesis which have incorrect sound in them, so lets hope Nintendo will do it correctly.
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19 July 2016, 12:21 | #38 |
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If you can use save states as advertised it's an emulator for sure. It's the typical retro console gimmick as hundreds before, but this time with HDMI out. Might attract more people than the usual solutions with crappy composite out.
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19 July 2016, 13:36 | #39 |
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I am going to want it. Just because of Bubble Bobble itself
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19 July 2016, 14:09 | #40 |
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I don't need this at all... Although I did just preorder it off amazon! Mwhhaha
Apparently it's the top video game preorder on Amazon now over things like Fifa, No Man's Sky, Cod etc? http://www.videogamer.com/news/ninte...st-seller.html Last edited by Baboon; 19 July 2016 at 14:16. |
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