IPFs of games I own

antonvaltaz · 19 May 2009, 13:33

Sorry if this is a thick question, but I've searched the boards and the SPS website and can't find a straight answer...

I have a load of original Amiga floppy game disks, but no longer a physical Amiga.

Most, if not all, of these have already been captured by the SPS and turned into IPFs, so from their perspective they don't need them.

My question: if I post all my disks to the SPS, as proof I own the games, do they offer a service where they will send me the IPFs from their collection? Or do they only do that for games they still need?

Sensi · 19 May 2009, 13:37

http://www.softpres.org/faq:newbie:getting_the_games

killergorilla · 19 May 2009, 13:41

If you can prove you own it, then sure you can get IPF images from them.

It's not that easy nowdays as Kieron was the main guy to contact concerning distribution and he's no longer around anymore.

Hopefully one of the team will be able to help.

antonvaltaz · 19 May 2009, 13:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sensi

http://www.softpres.org/faq:newbie:getting_the_games

I read that but it seems written pretty ambiguously, i.e. if they DON'T have the game yet then I would get an IPF as I am then a 'contributor'. But what if they DO have the game already - would they still send out the game? (It would seem there is no legal or moral problem, but I don't know if they'd have the time to do that).

Sensi · 19 May 2009, 13:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by antonvaltaz

I read that but it seems written pretty ambiguously, i.e. if they DON'T have the game yet then I would get an IPF as I am then a 'contributor'. But what if they DO have the game already - would they still send out the game? (It would seem there is no legal or moral problem, but I don't know if they'd have the time to do that).

Quote:

If you own the game, then fine, your disk is likely to go bad one day. If you image it with our tools, we know you own the game (because we know when a game has been mastered with a commercial duplicator, and when it has not) and we will send you back a properly preserved copy. You are “future proofed” against any mishaps with your disks.

I understand this in this way: You own the game, they have ipfs, you image it with some tools and they send you these ipf files.

I might be wrong.
And you are right, its not clear

TCD · 19 May 2009, 14:03

You send them the images of your disks done with their tool, you get the IPF images. Doesn't matter if they already have perfect images of the disks or yours are broken, as long as there is already an IPF or can be created from your images. Hope that's clear now

StingRay · 19 May 2009, 14:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheCyberDruid

You send them the images of your disks done with their tool

How should he do that without an Amiga...

Sensi · 19 May 2009, 14:13

Go and get the images "somewhere else"

TCD · 19 May 2009, 14:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by StingRay

How should he do that without an Amiga...

Well that's the 'official' way. Dunno what other methods are possible

StingRay · 19 May 2009, 14:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sensi

Go and get the images "somewhere else"

Yeah, shouldn't be too hard anyway.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheCyberDruid

Well that's the 'official' way. Dunno what other methods are possible

I'm sure he'll find a way to get the images. =)

TCD · 19 May 2009, 14:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by StingRay

I'm sure he'll find a way to get the images. =)

Guess you're right Sting

demoniac · 19 May 2009, 20:45

It seems to me if antonvaltaz sends his originals over to SPS, they'll send him the IPFs. Who knows, he might have some version that they don't have, but would like.

MethodGit · 20 May 2009, 00:36

Would I still get IPFs if I sent them my original games in the absence of an Amiga to image them with?

NewDeli · 20 May 2009, 01:02

The SPS doesn't ask people to send them any original disk they own, but only the missing ones (the ones missing from their own collection).

AFAIU, there are some cases when a redump is actually needed, and they can be in need of an original already dumped. Same if you have uncommon versions (or sub-versions) of games that can help make a more accurate IPF.

Still, I guess if you don't find obvious picks among your lot, you can send your list of unmodified originals with as many details as possible (was the copy protection tab on ? Did you play or save games from the floppies ?).

It's not the most practical task, but someone living near you with the required hardware can make the dump then share the IPF with you. To me, sending floppies by snail mail when images can fit is a bit like asking AOL to offer dial-up Internet access again.

Finally, you should ask yourself whether you need just a bunch of IPFs or as many as possible. In the second case, there's little chance the floppies you own will change anything to the already available number of IPFs there is to download / hunt.

killergorilla · 20 May 2009, 02:48

Did nobody read my previous post?

I will quote myself then

Quote:

If you can prove you own it, then sure you can get IPF images from them.

Rixa · 23 May 2009, 14:59

I'm not sure 'the official way' really works. I would much like IPF images of all my originals, and I'm really only interested in images of the exact same versions. Since there is no easy way for me to compare them, everything but the 'official way' is out.

So, I dumped everything I got. After many moons I got a link to one game, probably the only one that they were interested in. I replied to the accompanying e-mail and asked if I can expect more later, but got no reply. As instructed by the accompanying e-mail I sent my reply again weekly for months, until finally someone replied saying the mails are no longer being read and I should use the ticket system instead. So I did, and there the ticket has been sitting for months.

I guess they're really just too busy to bother with anything that doesn't expand the collection.

UPDATE: I was wrong and have now received everything. See five posts down.

IFW · 23 May 2009, 16:27

Hi Rixa,

Sorry to hear that.
I am going to ask the guys about what happened.

Thank you for your support.

Interceptor · 23 May 2009, 16:56

Rixa, i've found your request, it was me who's dealing with it and i'm sorry i've forgotten to do it. its a large list and i kept putting it back until i simply forgot about it.

i'll start sending them over, please feel free to harass me by PMing me here until i've caught up.

Rixa · 23 May 2009, 20:37

Thank you, guys. I'm glad it will work out after all

mr.vince · 23 May 2009, 22:03

I'd like to add that I came onboard a couple of months ago to also help answering the tickets. As you can imagine, the support is one of the toughest tasks for us because every request is unique.

I can only say that I recently helped another chap who got images for all 200 games he had contributed over the years.

In case there are others having the very same problem: Please do re-submit your request or answer to the last answer you got from us to re-activate your ticket. You will get a reply within 1-2 weeks (usually much sooner).

19 May 2009, 13:33	#1
antonvaltaz Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Location: Oxford, UK Age: 43 Posts: 511	IPFs of games I own Sorry if this is a thick question, but I've searched the boards and the SPS website and can't find a straight answer... I have a load of original Amiga floppy game disks, but no longer a physical Amiga. Most, if not all, of these have already been captured by the SPS and turned into IPFs, so from their perspective they don't need them. My question: if I post all my disks to the SPS, as proof I own the games, do they offer a service where they will send me the IPFs from their collection? Or do they only do that for games they still need?

23 May 2009, 14:59	#16
Rixa Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Tampere / Finland Posts: 127	I'm not sure 'the official way' really works. I would much like IPF images of all my originals, and I'm really only interested in images of the exact same versions. Since there is no easy way for me to compare them, everything but the 'official way' is out. So, I dumped everything I got. After many moons I got a link to one game, probably the only one that they were interested in. I replied to the accompanying e-mail and asked if I can expect more later, but got no reply. As instructed by the accompanying e-mail I sent my reply again weekly for months, until finally someone replied saying the mails are no longer being read and I should use the ticket system instead. So I did, and there the ticket has been sitting for months. I guess they're really just too busy to bother with anything that doesn't expand the collection. UPDATE: I was wrong and have now received everything. See five posts down. Last edited by Rixa; 27 May 2009 at 19:44. Reason: update

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19 May 2009, 13:37	#2
Sensi Unregistered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 1,643	http://www.softpres.org/faq:newbie:getting_the_games

19 May 2009, 13:41	#3
killergorilla Lesser Talent Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Age: 42 Posts: 7,957	If you can prove you own it, then sure you can get IPF images from them. It's not that easy nowdays as Kieron was the main guy to contact concerning distribution and he's no longer around anymore. Hopefully one of the team will be able to help.

19 May 2009, 14:03	#6
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,525	You send them the images of your disks done with their tool, you get the IPF images. Doesn't matter if they already have perfect images of the disks or yours are broken, as long as there is already an IPF or can be created from your images. Hope that's clear now

19 May 2009, 14:13	#8
Sensi Unregistered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 1,643	Go and get the images "somewhere else"

19 May 2009, 20:45	#12
demoniac Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: - Posts: 1,687	It seems to me if antonvaltaz sends his originals over to SPS, they'll send him the IPFs. Who knows, he might have some version that they don't have, but would like.

20 May 2009, 00:36	#13
MethodGit Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The Streets Age: 39 Posts: 2,731	Would I still get IPFs if I sent them my original games in the absence of an Amiga to image them with?

20 May 2009, 01:02	#14
NewDeli Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Paris / FRANCE Age: 50 Posts: 1,248	The SPS doesn't ask people to send them any original disk they own, but only the missing ones (the ones missing from their own collection). AFAIU, there are some cases when a redump is actually needed, and they can be in need of an original already dumped. Same if you have uncommon versions (or sub-versions) of games that can help make a more accurate IPF. Still, I guess if you don't find obvious picks among your lot, you can send your list of unmodified originals with as many details as possible (was the copy protection tab on ? Did you play or save games from the floppies ?). It's not the most practical task, but someone living near you with the required hardware can make the dump then share the IPF with you. To me, sending floppies by snail mail when images can fit is a bit like asking AOL to offer dial-up Internet access again. Finally, you should ask yourself whether you need just a bunch of IPFs or as many as possible. In the second case, there's little chance the floppies you own will change anything to the already available number of IPFs there is to download / hunt.

23 May 2009, 16:27	#17
IFW Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Age: 52 Posts: 1,838	Hi Rixa, Sorry to hear that. I am going to ask the guys about what happened. Thank you for your support.

23 May 2009, 16:56	#18
Interceptor Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Essex, UK Posts: 414	Rixa, i've found your request, it was me who's dealing with it and i'm sorry i've forgotten to do it. its a large list and i kept putting it back until i simply forgot about it. i'll start sending them over, please feel free to harass me by PMing me here until i've caught up.

23 May 2009, 20:37	#19
Rixa Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Tampere / Finland Posts: 127	Thank you, guys. I'm glad it will work out after all

23 May 2009, 22:03	#20
mr.vince Cheesy crust Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Hawk's Creek Age: 48 Posts: 1,383	I'd like to add that I came onboard a couple of months ago to also help answering the tickets. As you can imagine, the support is one of the toughest tasks for us because every request is unique. I can only say that I recently helped another chap who got images for all 200 games he had contributed over the years. In case there are others having the very same problem: Please do re-submit your request or answer to the last answer you got from us to re-activate your ticket. You will get a reply within 1-2 weeks (usually much sooner).

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