Indivision ECS problem - Page 4

demolition · 19 October 2017, 18:25

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Originally Posted by system11

Glad I saw this thread, I was considering buying one and reliable 50hz is essential. Why isn't it just a jumper setting?

Then what about the 50 other settings or however many there are? Do you want jumpers for all of them? I would much prefer a jumper-less design and usually that also works without any problems.

system11 · 19 October 2017, 23:48

Well that would be nice, but it seems like 50hz is a 'big' one since the machine was sold in PAL and NTSC regions and I'd expect most people want one or the other then rarely touch it.

Anyway, I'll keep an eye on this topic in case they manage to fix the problem. It does seem amazing that someone can achieve something so complex and then have issues with what should be trivial by comparison. Best of luck :/

I've contacted them as a prospective customer and asked about it at least. Nothing says "we need to address this" better than lost sales.

demolition · 20 October 2017, 05:42

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Originally Posted by system11

Well that would be nice, but it seems like 50hz is a 'big' one since the machine was sold in PAL and NTSC regions and I'd expect most people want one or the other then rarely touch it.

I think it doesn't have much to do with PAL vs. NTSC. In PAL modes, it will switch between 50/62.5Hz output and in NTSC modes it is 60/75 Hz. Most monitors will be happy though with 60, 62.5 and 75 Hz while 50 Hz support is not as common. The Indivision seems to 'want' to go with 62.5Hz since this is probably the default. If set to 62.5Hz, it does not seem to start in 50 Hz output mode at any time.

This behaviour is not just limited to the output refresh rate though as it also does the same with the scanline setting although not as often. I have scanline emulation enabled, but some times it will boot with them off. A power cycle then fixes the issue, just like it does with the refresh rate. I still like the product in general and this is just a minor nuisance. Seeing as there is not really any good internal alternative, you don't really have anywhere else to go if you need a good VGA output on your 500/600. Until Gold3 comes along for the Vampire, but that is a completely different beast.

system11 · 20 October 2017, 11:03

I've got an A2000 but I'm struggling with my A2320, so I thought one of these might have been the trick. If the company replies at all I will post here.

E-Penguin · 20 October 2017, 16:36

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Originally Posted by demolition

Seeing as there is not really any good internal alternative

Actually, I spotted this the other day. Not tried it.
http://irixlabs.com/scanplusecs

demolition · 20 October 2017, 17:09

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Originally Posted by E-Penguin

Actually, I spotted this the other day. Not tried it.
http://irixlabs.com/scanplusecs

Looks good, however doesn't seem to be for sale yet.

The AGA version is available though:
https://www.amedia-computer.com/en/a...200-4000d.html
It promises smooth 50/60Hz scrolling, so sounds like a successor to the long-time unavailable Indivision AGA MkI.

wiz12 · 20 October 2017, 18:52

I'd like to see how this AGA version compares to the Indivision card.

E-Penguin · 21 October 2017, 12:12

There doesn't seem very much information about it but for a pure games machine maybe better, if it's just doing line doubling.

27 October 2017, 19:50

Hi,

I have 2 Indivision ECS flickerfixers and I have noticed both are affected by the PSU noise issue. In normal PAL mode the screen looks good but SuperPlus has a lots of flicker noises. ALso when e.g. AWEB opens a file save window with black background it starts those awful noise lines. I took out one of them and it seems it is from the new batch (has the Don't install Denise on A600 message) but there is no fix on voltage regulators at all.
As I have purchased these for more than a year ago from (if I remember well) Amigastore.eu they might not support me with the fixes. The pictures show the fixes but don't say anything about the additional capacitor values which are added to existing capacitors. I could apply the patch because I have experience with smd soldering but does someone know the exact values of those capacitors?

turrican9 · 03 June 2018, 15:59

bump. Anyone heard anymore from Jens/indivision about this issue? Or found any solution for it?

demolition · 03 June 2018, 16:46

He's quiet about it so there is no solution.

turrican9 · 03 June 2018, 17:54

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Originally Posted by demolition

He's quiet about it so there is no solution.

Maybe we could offer him some money to get this issue fixed? It's a really annoying problem

demolition · 03 June 2018, 18:05

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Originally Posted by turrican9

Maybe we could offer him some money to get this issue fixed? It's a really annoying problem

It would have to be a substantial amount of money since he would need to hire someone to do it as far as I understand. If he could fix it himself, he'd probably have done so already.

turrican9 · 03 June 2018, 18:10

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Originally Posted by demolition

It would have to be a substantial amount of money since he would need to hire someone to do it as far as I understand. If he could fix it himself, he'd probably have done so already.

Maybe if alot of us go together we could offer enough money for him to hire someone to fix it?

demolition · 03 June 2018, 18:21

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Originally Posted by turrican9

Maybe if alot of us go together we could offer enough money for him to hire someone to fix it?

It would be better for PR to just ignore it than to accept something like that. I also very much doubt that many people would want to pay him to fix a bug in a product they already paid for.

turrican9 · 03 June 2018, 18:21

Where can I contact him? I wanna know how much money he would need to get this fixed

demolition · 03 June 2018, 18:23

https://icomp.de/shop-icomp/en/about.html

turrican9 · 03 June 2018, 18:31

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Originally Posted by demolition

https://icomp.de/shop-icomp/en/about.html

I have sent an e-mail to the address posted in the link

turrican9 · 27 December 2018, 05:26

So anyone tested the new Indivision ECS V2? It is supposed to have a 50Hz mode and also scaling settings. I wonder if this new one will store the 50Hz setting properly and how good these scaling options work. It is also supposed to be able to finetune scanlines

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19 October 2017, 23:48	#62
system11 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: UK Posts: 82	Well that would be nice, but it seems like 50hz is a 'big' one since the machine was sold in PAL and NTSC regions and I'd expect most people want one or the other then rarely touch it. Anyway, I'll keep an eye on this topic in case they manage to fix the problem. It does seem amazing that someone can achieve something so complex and then have issues with what should be trivial by comparison. Best of luck :/ I've contacted them as a prospective customer and asked about it at least. Nothing says "we need to address this" better than lost sales.

20 October 2017, 11:03	#64
system11 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: UK Posts: 82	I've got an A2000 but I'm struggling with my A2320, so I thought one of these might have been the trick. If the company replies at all I will post here.

20 October 2017, 18:52	#67
wiz12 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: Ireland Posts: 752	I'd like to see how this AGA version compares to the Indivision card.

21 October 2017, 12:12	#68
E-Penguin Banana Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Darmstadt Posts: 1,214	There doesn't seem very much information about it but for a pure games machine maybe better, if it's just doing line doubling.

27 October 2017, 19:50	#69
ishe Posts: n/a	Hi, I have 2 Indivision ECS flickerfixers and I have noticed both are affected by the PSU noise issue. In normal PAL mode the screen looks good but SuperPlus has a lots of flicker noises. ALso when e.g. AWEB opens a file save window with black background it starts those awful noise lines. I took out one of them and it seems it is from the new batch (has the Don't install Denise on A600 message) but there is no fix on voltage regulators at all. As I have purchased these for more than a year ago from (if I remember well) Amigastore.eu they might not support me with the fixes. The pictures show the fixes but don't say anything about the additional capacitor values which are added to existing capacitors. I could apply the patch because I have experience with smd soldering but does someone know the exact values of those capacitors?

03 June 2018, 15:59	#70
turrican9 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Norway Age: 47 Posts: 893	bump. Anyone heard anymore from Jens/indivision about this issue? Or found any solution for it?

03 June 2018, 16:46	#71
demolition Unregistered User Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Copenhagen / DK Age: 43 Posts: 4,190	He's quiet about it so there is no solution.

03 June 2018, 18:21	#76
turrican9 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Norway Age: 47 Posts: 893	Where can I contact him? I wanna know how much money he would need to get this fixed

03 June 2018, 18:23	#77
demolition Unregistered User Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Copenhagen / DK Age: 43 Posts: 4,190	https://icomp.de/shop-icomp/en/about.html

27 December 2018, 05:26	#79
turrican9 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Norway Age: 47 Posts: 893	So anyone tested the new Indivision ECS V2? It is supposed to have a 50Hz mode and also scaling settings. I wonder if this new one will store the 50Hz setting properly and how good these scaling options work. It is also supposed to be able to finetune scanlines

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