Grapevine - Returns

Galahad/FLT · 11 October 2001, 20:22

Hello chaps,
Somebody, i.e. me, is determined to bring back Grapevine, the once illustrious Diskmag that was produced by LSD. Several abortive attempts have been made to bring it back, but this time it will be coming back.

work has already started.

Articles are needed. The format will be roughly the same as the old Grapevine (but will actually work!).

anyone who wants to contribute any music or graphics will be welcomed and credited. You want to help give the Amiga scene a kick..... nows your chance to prove it!

Articles and graphics etc should be sent to: GVARTICLES@AOL.COM

All articles must be in English, if your spelling isnt great, dont sweat myne iz!

RetroMan · 11 October 2001, 20:25

that´s nice news

Maybe I´ll send in some gfx art

depends on when I find my disks

anyway..... good luck

Amiga1992 · 11 October 2001, 20:57

Great! I Will try to submit something (after I finish the SID compo)...

In what format can the music be? I use AHX or MusicLIne the most (but the last one is shite to use in anyting except by itself, AHX mods are small)

Another question, will I be able to watch teh mag on my 2MB A600? It would be cool if I could use it in my oldschool equipment

Galahad/FLT · 11 October 2001, 21:03

Much as I would like to support the A600 I very much doubt it. I had it in mind to do it all AGA.

I suppose I could do a bypass for the title graphics, but then I'm not being fair to AGA owners, who lets face it, havent really had a good deal yet.

The specs:

1). AGA titles
2). Most likely a single file, with music being the only seperate element.
3). I hope the first issue will at least be similar in content as the last issues of Grapevine.

4). Music for the first two issues will be Protracker, a poll will go into the first issue to gauge how powerfull peoples machines are, I like Musicline, but its very processor intensive if you are not carefull.

If people submit graphics in 32 colours and it doesn't affect the quality of the magazine, then I will cater for OCS/ECS, but to be honest I would feel better not. (the days of me trying to fit the Titanic in a bottle are over I think!)

Amiga1992 · 11 October 2001, 21:10

That is quite understandable mate. That's why I asked about MusicLIne too, I love it, but it kills processors

If you can fit AHX I'll bedelighted, it's been so long since I did a protracker tune!

Anyway will try to contribute something. At least a graphic. But first, I must fix my meega monitor

Djay · 12 October 2001, 01:22

seeing as most Amiga owners machines are dead and some massive Amiga fans probably don't use/own an Amiga now, i second s4murai motion to make the new Grapevine available as ADF. I lot of the work i do is through emulated means so it would be great to see a current diskmag with is available to all fans!

if you don't make the new Grapevine ADF, you'll lose a MASSIVE readership!

i also hope the diskmag features a emulation section dedicated to the amig emu scene!

Galahad/FLT · 12 October 2001, 11:54

I was under the impression that UAE and Fellow were not limited to ADF files and that they had Hard drive file support?

The plan was to make Grapevine as compact as possible, whether its possible to fit it onto one disk is another matter!

Does nobody use Hard drive emulation?

Paul · 12 October 2001, 12:19

Quote:

Originally posted by Galahad/FLT
I was under the impression that UAE and Fellow were not limited to ADF files and that they had Hard drive file support?

The plan was to make Grapevine as compact as possible, whether its possible to fit it onto one disk is another matter!

Does nobody use Hard drive emulation?

I use Hard drive emulation, but using directories.

I don't thing HDF files will be that popular as the might not be compatible with real Amigas.

Most people should be able to cope with 1 lha or lzx file per edition as long there are instructions.

One more thing Fellow and Winfellow does not support AGA.

Ian · 12 October 2001, 12:22

I think most if not all of use HD emulation

But a diskmag used to be just that, a magazine on a (Floppy) disk, if you want to do it on HD this time round that would be fine with me, it's just these old sceners (Twistin'

) that you need to worry about, they don't like change you know

Galahad/FLT · 12 October 2001, 12:28

Grapevine will be a zip file (as most Amiga owners are quite adept), all you would do is unarc it to your virtual hard drive.... bingo, all icons are there, you are away.

As for Fellow.... thats too bad.

Its bad enough having to worry about the A5oo without worrying about an emulator that doesnt support AGA.

The final version will depend on the quality of the graphics I receive.

12 October 2001, 14:03

I hate HDFs. I don't see what's wrong with DMS's though. WinUAE has support for these.

Also. Using programs like DMS2ADF and XDMS, these can easily be converted to ADFs

Not only that, but actual Amiga users will benefit too

Galahad/FLT · 12 October 2001, 15:15

At the moment its a moot point. No articles = no Grapevine, so if you want to help steer Grapevine in the 'right' direction..... see it gets made.... in one form or another!

Galahad/FLT · 12 October 2001, 18:40

Amiga related is obviously good, but as in the original Grapevine, anything goes, humour, sick jokes, coding tutorials, nostalgia, party reports, news, etc, etc.

Having looked at the old Grapevines, only the name will be the same, the design will get an overhaul.

Codetapper · 12 October 2001, 22:44

Excuse my ignorance but I have never seen a Grapevine disk at all! What kind of format is all the information in? Is it a bit like those old music disk compilations where you get an intro with scrolly text and F1-F10 to load a tune/article or something?

Can someone please upload a few of them, preferably one with the Carrier Command cracking tutorial and maybe one of the last ones so we know what kind of stuff is acceptable?

13 October 2001, 01:05

Codetapper: You can get most (all?) of the Grapevine mags from Aminet http://uk.aminet.net/aminetbin/find?Grapevine

LSD Disk 21 has a "3D Pool - How To Crack It" tutorial
LSD Disk 26 has a "Budokan - How To Crack It" tutorial
LSD Disk 54 has something called "How To Crack" which I'm assuming is the Carrier Command tutorial

The LSD Docs are available from http://amiga.emucamp.com/apps_lsddocs.htm

Twistin'Ghost · 13 October 2001, 07:42

Quote:

Originally posted by Ian
...if you want to do it on HD this time round that would be fine with me, it's just these old sceners (Twistin') that you need to worry about, they don't like change you know

Ahem. You wish you were an old scener! Whilst I was perusing the real thing in real time, you were probably drooling Gerbers baby food onto your diapers. And even then, I was using hard drives on my Amiga with my Video Toaster setup. Don't get mad at me because you can't understand a command line util like DMS...

So I say phooey on you again.

Amiga1992 · 14 October 2001, 20:26

I second teh phooey sentence ;D

15 October 2001, 08:37

I think we've all strayed away from the point of this thread

I bet Galahad would prefer to get a magazine completed before he tries to figure out what format it will be distributed in

RetroMan · 15 October 2001, 08:55

I agree with Amigaboy, lets contribute something, not complaining about the final format it will be released in .....

icycool · 15 October 2001, 10:28

Lets go back in time.. splitted??

There was actually 1 comment in there that was directly about Grapevine for Galahad

11 October 2001, 20:22	#1
Galahad/FLT Going nowhere Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: United Kingdom Age: 50 Posts: 8,988	Grapevine - Returns Hello chaps, Somebody, i.e. me, is determined to bring back Grapevine, the once illustrious Diskmag that was produced by LSD. Several abortive attempts have been made to bring it back, but this time it will be coming back. work has already started. Articles are needed. The format will be roughly the same as the old Grapevine (but will actually work!). anyone who wants to contribute any music or graphics will be welcomed and credited. You want to help give the Amiga scene a kick..... nows your chance to prove it! Articles and graphics etc should be sent to: GVARTICLES@AOL.COM All articles must be in English, if your spelling isnt great, dont sweat myne iz!

12 October 2001, 12:22	#9
Ian Global Moderator Join Date: May 2001 Location: Derby, UK Age: 46 Posts: 2,287	I think most if not all of use HD emulation But a diskmag used to be just that, a magazine on a (Floppy) disk, if you want to do it on HD this time round that would be fine with me, it's just these old sceners (Twistin') that you need to worry about, they don't like change you know

12 October 2001, 22:44	#14
Codetapper 2 contact me: email only! Join Date: May 2001 Location: Auckland / New Zealand Posts: 3,182	Erm, what exactly are these Grapevine formats? Excuse my ignorance but I have never seen a Grapevine disk at all! What kind of format is all the information in? Is it a bit like those old music disk compilations where you get an intro with scrolly text and F1-F10 to load a tune/article or something? Can someone please upload a few of them, preferably one with the Carrier Command cracking tutorial and maybe one of the last ones so we know what kind of stuff is acceptable?

15 October 2001, 10:28	#20
icycool Banned Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Melbourne/Australia Age: 50 Posts: 203	Lets go back in time.. splitted?? There was actually 1 comment in there that was directly about Grapevine for Galahad Last edited by icycool; 15 October 2001 at 10:36.

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11 October 2001, 20:25	#2
RetroMan Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Germany Age: 51 Posts: 3,704	that´s nice news Maybe I´ll send in some gfx art depends on when I find my disks anyway..... good luck

11 October 2001, 20:57	#3
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,645	Great! I Will try to submit something (after I finish the SID compo)... In what format can the music be? I use AHX or MusicLIne the most (but the last one is shite to use in anyting except by itself, AHX mods are small) Another question, will I be able to watch teh mag on my 2MB A600? It would be cool if I could use it in my oldschool equipment

11 October 2001, 21:03	#4
Galahad/FLT Going nowhere Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: United Kingdom Age: 50 Posts: 8,988	Much as I would like to support the A600 I very much doubt it. I had it in mind to do it all AGA. I suppose I could do a bypass for the title graphics, but then I'm not being fair to AGA owners, who lets face it, havent really had a good deal yet. The specs: 1). AGA titles 2). Most likely a single file, with music being the only seperate element. 3). I hope the first issue will at least be similar in content as the last issues of Grapevine. 4). Music for the first two issues will be Protracker, a poll will go into the first issue to gauge how powerfull peoples machines are, I like Musicline, but its very processor intensive if you are not carefull. If people submit graphics in 32 colours and it doesn't affect the quality of the magazine, then I will cater for OCS/ECS, but to be honest I would feel better not. (the days of me trying to fit the Titanic in a bottle are over I think!)

11 October 2001, 21:10	#5
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,645	That is quite understandable mate. That's why I asked about MusicLIne too, I love it, but it kills processors If you can fit AHX I'll bedelighted, it's been so long since I did a protracker tune! Anyway will try to contribute something. At least a graphic. But first, I must fix my meega monitor

12 October 2001, 01:22	#6
Djay 95th User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Brighton/UK Age: 48 Posts: 3,120	seeing as most Amiga owners machines are dead and some massive Amiga fans probably don't use/own an Amiga now, i second s4murai motion to make the new Grapevine available as ADF. I lot of the work i do is through emulated means so it would be great to see a current diskmag with is available to all fans! if you don't make the new Grapevine ADF, you'll lose a MASSIVE readership! i also hope the diskmag features a emulation section dedicated to the amig emu scene!

12 October 2001, 11:54	#7
Galahad/FLT Going nowhere Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: United Kingdom Age: 50 Posts: 8,988	I was under the impression that UAE and Fellow were not limited to ADF files and that they had Hard drive file support? The plan was to make Grapevine as compact as possible, whether its possible to fit it onto one disk is another matter! Does nobody use Hard drive emulation?

12 October 2001, 12:28	#10
Galahad/FLT Going nowhere Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: United Kingdom Age: 50 Posts: 8,988	Grapevine will be a zip file (as most Amiga owners are quite adept), all you would do is unarc it to your virtual hard drive.... bingo, all icons are there, you are away. As for Fellow.... thats too bad. Its bad enough having to worry about the A5oo without worrying about an emulator that doesnt support AGA. The final version will depend on the quality of the graphics I receive.

12 October 2001, 14:03	#11
Amigaboy Posts: n/a	I hate HDFs. I don't see what's wrong with DMS's though. WinUAE has support for these. Also. Using programs like DMS2ADF and XDMS, these can easily be converted to ADFs Not only that, but actual Amiga users will benefit too

12 October 2001, 15:15	#12
Galahad/FLT Going nowhere Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: United Kingdom Age: 50 Posts: 8,988	At the moment its a moot point. No articles = no Grapevine, so if you want to help steer Grapevine in the 'right' direction..... see it gets made.... in one form or another!

12 October 2001, 18:40	#13
Galahad/FLT Going nowhere Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: United Kingdom Age: 50 Posts: 8,988	Amiga related is obviously good, but as in the original Grapevine, anything goes, humour, sick jokes, coding tutorials, nostalgia, party reports, news, etc, etc. Having looked at the old Grapevines, only the name will be the same, the design will get an overhaul.

13 October 2001, 01:05	#15
Amigaboy Posts: n/a	Codetapper: You can get most (all?) of the Grapevine mags from Aminet http://uk.aminet.net/aminetbin/find?Grapevine LSD Disk 21 has a "3D Pool - How To Crack It" tutorial LSD Disk 26 has a "Budokan - How To Crack It" tutorial LSD Disk 54 has something called "How To Crack" which I'm assuming is the Carrier Command tutorial The LSD Docs are available from http://amiga.emucamp.com/apps_lsddocs.htm

14 October 2001, 20:26	#17
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,645	I second teh phooey sentence ;D

15 October 2001, 08:37	#18
Amigaboy Posts: n/a	I think we've all strayed away from the point of this thread I bet Galahad would prefer to get a magazine completed before he tries to figure out what format it will be distributed in

15 October 2001, 08:55	#19
RetroMan Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Germany Age: 51 Posts: 3,704	I agree with Amigaboy, lets contribute something, not complaining about the final format it will be released in .....

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