Lionheart:the most wronged Amiga game ever - Page 8

skyzoo73 · 18 March 2021, 23:19

Lionheart is technically the best on Amiga OCS, making the most of every custom chip. The number of colors on the screen is remarkable, the scrolling on the background and the sky with a technique similar to SFII, transparencies for the water, and also translucency effects in various parts. Animated character with many frames, the same for the enemies, some really big and very well colored. The overall design is arcade-level, with variety in the more advanced levels. We add that the character controls himself in a precise way, even if some difficulties remain with the movements and the use of the sword. The audio is something equally great with atmospheric music matched to the levels, in conjunction with good quality sound effects. Not to mention the phenomenal INTRO, the equally beautiful END SEQUENCE (even with two variations). Overall, the pixel art of the entire game is artistically sublime, light years ahead of SoB. The icing on the cake is very playable unlike the Psygnosys masterpiece, which is good. If I had to choose three Amiga games I would put Lionheart in first place, Chaos Engine in second and Hybris in third, not directly for the technical quality itself, but for the pleasure I feel in playing them again today.

Reido · 21 March 2021, 06:46

Inspired to play this game cos of this thread, don't know why it's taken me 26 years!!! First impressions, incredible graphics, sound and attention to detail. Fun game too, will try to see this one through!

tarr · 16 July 2022, 23:39

Best "Arcade" game on the Amiga ever!

eXeler0 · 17 July 2022, 13:20

I also missed it back in the day (as in didnt play but was aware of it through reviews in mags etc).
Agreed, it looks amazing, good animation, in short, top notch, but for me personally, the style of gameplay you get from this type of plattformer never really appealed *that* much. There are a few other great looking games I never got into for the same reason.

Torti-the-Smurf · 17 July 2022, 16:45

One of my favorite Amiga games

pipper · 17 July 2022, 22:15

I also find the graphics, sound and ambience stunning. But the way he swings his sword (without having range) and “hops” on top of enemies somehow rubs me the wrong way. It doesn’t have a lot of heft in it. A long(er) range weapon would have been nice.

dreadnought · 17 July 2022, 22:28

I'm somewhere between exelor & pipper's opinions. Overall I'd like it much more, gameplay wise, if they a) eased up the precision jumping b) made the swordplay a bit more punchy and straightforward.

Tigerskunk · 18 July 2022, 11:13

It's still super playable, though.
Much more than a lot of other Amiga games.

Torti-the-Smurf · 18 July 2022, 11:35

It plays like a dream.

Recommend a 2 button Joypad

(i personally use a 2nd generation 3 Button Sega Mega Drive Joypad; the best pad there is)

Manfred Trenz (the father of Turrican) did alot of testplaying on Lionheart.
I think i have finished the game like at least 50 times or more

i love it.
(still have to finish it on LIONHARD tho

)

Unlike any other Amiga or Console game i know, every Difficulty setting changes also the Level architecture.

Lionheart is for me the best Action plattformer there is on Amiga. (and i love Turrican like carzy)

MY Amiga list for best Amiga Action platformer would go out to LIONHEART and then, Turrican 2 !

But thats just me

I adore this game

grond · 18 July 2022, 12:41

I didn't know Lionheart can be realistically finished. I think I had a cheat that gave me infinite lives or so and got pretty far (it still is a question of time) but the game crashed somewhere so I gave up.

TCD · 18 July 2022, 14:13

Haven't played this in a long while, but I remember/think that I finished this once (using a trainer mind you

). Might check later which trained version works all the way.

gimbal · 18 July 2022, 14:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by grond

I didn't know Lionheart can be realistically finished. I think I had a cheat that gave me infinite lives or so and got pretty far (it still is a question of time) but the game crashed somewhere so I gave up.

Sounds like a faulty disk to me, I had a couple of those. I can still remember jumping a hole through the roof when I finally, finally, finally beat the boss of world 2 in Metal Mutant (legit!), went down to the third underground world aaaaaaand it crashed.

Still don't really know why I continue to like Metal Mutant. It is so stiff to play but it is also nice and oddball.

grond · 18 July 2022, 15:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by gimbal

Sounds like a faulty disk to me, I had a couple of those.

All of my disks were faulty back in the day...

TCD · 18 July 2022, 16:39

Just finished the game and... holy hell even with a trainer and save states it's still a very rough ride. It sure looks nice and the music sounds good, but there are a lot of spots that you will get hurt if you don't know what's coming. Or you need to have split second reactions which are then hindered by the less than ideal controls. Well, at least I played it again to remind myself why I don't play it very often

dlfrsilver · 18 July 2022, 16:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by TCD

Just finished the game and... holy hell even with a trainer and save states it's still a very rough ride. It sure looks nice and the music sounds good, but there are a lot of spots that you will get hurt if you don't know what's coming. Or you need to have split second reactions which are then hindered by the less than ideal controls. Well, at least I played it again to remind myself why I don't play it very often

I finish the game without trainer in easy and hard mode :P

TCD · 18 July 2022, 16:53

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Originally Posted by dlfrsilver

I finish the game without trainer in easy and hard mode :P

I'm sure you do.

grond · 18 July 2022, 17:06

I tried Lionheart again some time ago and found it very difficult even in the first level which didn't pose much of a problem back in the day. Of course, I play much less computer games than I used to and even less with joystick or similar controls which certainly forms part of the reason. However, I wonder how much a rigid and unergonomic joystick (Competition Pro with microswitches vs. Quickshot 2 back in the day) and added screen lag with the flat panel TV I am now using have to do with me being that bad at the game.

dlfrsilver · 18 July 2022, 18:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by TCD

I'm sure you do.

I love it so much. everything is well made in this game.

TCD · 18 July 2022, 18:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlfrsilver

I love it so much. everything is well made in this game.

I just don't agree with some of the design choices regarding the levels. The presentation is flawless. The controls are fine, but you have to get used to them. I'm sure if you sink your time into the game it gets better and better, but that's luxury I don't really have

dlfrsilver · 18 July 2022, 21:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by TCD

I just don't agree with some of the design choices regarding the levels. The presentation is flawless. The controls are fine, but you have to get used to them. I'm sure if you sink your time into the game it gets better and better, but that's luxury I don't really have

I finished the game 3 days after buying it in easy mode. Hard mode was then straight forward.

17 July 2022, 13:20	#144
eXeler0 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Sweden Age: 50 Posts: 2,956	Lionheart:the most wronged Amiga game ever I also missed it back in the day (as in didnt play but was aware of it through reviews in mags etc). Agreed, it looks amazing, good animation, in short, top notch, but for me personally, the style of gameplay you get from this type of plattformer never really appealed that much. There are a few other great looking games I never got into for the same reason.

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18 March 2021, 23:19	#141
skyzoo73 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: Italy Age: 51 Posts: 295	Lionheart is technically the best on Amiga OCS, making the most of every custom chip. The number of colors on the screen is remarkable, the scrolling on the background and the sky with a technique similar to SFII, transparencies for the water, and also translucency effects in various parts. Animated character with many frames, the same for the enemies, some really big and very well colored. The overall design is arcade-level, with variety in the more advanced levels. We add that the character controls himself in a precise way, even if some difficulties remain with the movements and the use of the sword. The audio is something equally great with atmospheric music matched to the levels, in conjunction with good quality sound effects. Not to mention the phenomenal INTRO, the equally beautiful END SEQUENCE (even with two variations). Overall, the pixel art of the entire game is artistically sublime, light years ahead of SoB. The icing on the cake is very playable unlike the Psygnosys masterpiece, which is good. If I had to choose three Amiga games I would put Lionheart in first place, Chaos Engine in second and Hybris in third, not directly for the technical quality itself, but for the pleasure I feel in playing them again today.

21 March 2021, 06:46	#142
Reido Registered User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Dublin/Ireland Posts: 403	Inspired to play this game cos of this thread, don't know why it's taken me 26 years!!! First impressions, incredible graphics, sound and attention to detail. Fun game too, will try to see this one through!

16 July 2022, 23:39	#143
tarr Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 181	Best "Arcade" game on the Amiga ever!

17 July 2022, 16:45	#145
Torti-the-Smurf Registered User Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Earth Posts: 1,068	One of my favorite Amiga games

17 July 2022, 22:15	#146
pipper Registered User Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: San Jose Posts: 664	I also find the graphics, sound and ambience stunning. But the way he swings his sword (without having range) and “hops” on top of enemies somehow rubs me the wrong way. It doesn’t have a lot of heft in it. A long(er) range weapon would have been nice.

17 July 2022, 22:28	#147
dreadnought Registered User Join Date: Dec 2019 Location: Ur, Atlantis Posts: 1,978	I'm somewhere between exelor & pipper's opinions. Overall I'd like it much more, gameplay wise, if they a) eased up the precision jumping b) made the swordplay a bit more punchy and straightforward.

18 July 2022, 11:13	#148
Tigerskunk Inviyya Dude! Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Amiga Island Posts: 2,784	It's still super playable, though. Much more than a lot of other Amiga games.

18 July 2022, 11:35	#149
Torti-the-Smurf Registered User Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Earth Posts: 1,068	It plays like a dream. Recommend a 2 button Joypad (i personally use a 2nd generation 3 Button Sega Mega Drive Joypad; the best pad there is) Manfred Trenz (the father of Turrican) did alot of testplaying on Lionheart. I think i have finished the game like at least 50 times or more i love it. (still have to finish it on LIONHARD tho ) Unlike any other Amiga or Console game i know, every Difficulty setting changes also the Level architecture. Lionheart is for me the best Action plattformer there is on Amiga. (and i love Turrican like carzy) MY Amiga list for best Amiga Action platformer would go out to LIONHEART and then, Turrican 2 ! But thats just me I adore this game

18 July 2022, 12:41	#150
grond Registered User Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Germany Posts: 1,920	I didn't know Lionheart can be realistically finished. I think I had a cheat that gave me infinite lives or so and got pretty far (it still is a question of time) but the game crashed somewhere so I gave up.

18 July 2022, 14:13	#151
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,741	Haven't played this in a long while, but I remember/think that I finished this once (using a trainer mind you ). Might check later which trained version works all the way.

18 July 2022, 16:39	#154
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,741	Just finished the game and... holy hell even with a trainer and save states it's still a very rough ride. It sure looks nice and the music sounds good, but there are a lot of spots that you will get hurt if you don't know what's coming. Or you need to have split second reactions which are then hindered by the less than ideal controls. Well, at least I played it again to remind myself why I don't play it very often

18 July 2022, 17:06	#157
grond Registered User Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Germany Posts: 1,920	I tried Lionheart again some time ago and found it very difficult even in the first level which didn't pose much of a problem back in the day. Of course, I play much less computer games than I used to and even less with joystick or similar controls which certainly forms part of the reason. However, I wonder how much a rigid and unergonomic joystick (Competition Pro with microswitches vs. Quickshot 2 back in the day) and added screen lag with the flat panel TV I am now using have to do with me being that bad at the game.

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