Scanlines or NO scanlines? - Page 8

Shoonay · 29 March 2007, 16:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultron

Wasn't there somethng that made Scanlines on the 1084s monitors? I had one, i seem to remember something...

Yeah, almost every time you switched to NTSC mode

DamienD · 29 March 2007, 16:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd

What has this shit to do with WinUAE+activated scanlines?

Retro, you left off +PC Monitor

...don't let them confuse you over the original point and what the title should be renamed to

Of course you don't need scanlines activated in WinUAE when using a PC via a TV or an arcade monitor

Shoonay · 29 March 2007, 16:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd

But that's the point. Toni could implement a better "real scanline" option, with a brightness/intesity slider, but he won't. I wonder why he build in this ugly, useless D3D filters, which deformes the whole image output. THIS is a real crime.

No that's not the point of this thread!
Come on, i don't get it... now you hate scanlines?

killergorilla · 29 March 2007, 16:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd

But that's the point. Toni could implement a better "real scanline" option, with a brightness/intesity slider, but he won't. I wonder why he build in this ugly, useless D3D filters, which deformes the whole image output. THIS is a real crime.

Just turn them off

Retro-Nerd · 29 March 2007, 16:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shoonay

No that's not the point of this thread!
Come on, i don't get it... now you hate scanlines?

Very easy to catch, what is unclear in my words?

DamienD · 29 March 2007, 16:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jope

I'm assuming you're talking about scanline emulation now. It looks awful.. If you want to see scanlines, use the real thing. :-)

Yes, scanlines emulation when using a PC monitor...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultron

Wasn't there somethng that made Scanlines on the 1084s monitors? I had one, i seem to remember something...

Exactly the point

Shoonay · 29 March 2007, 16:21

Alright. Mr. Mod, Sir! Mr. Retro-Nerd here, wants his vote changed to: No, I don't like scanlines. Thanks You for you cooporation

Retro-Nerd · 29 March 2007, 16:22

The point is:

WinUAE with double pixel doesn't look like the real thing on a PC monitor, no matter in which resolution. Everyone who says yes is:

a) blind
b) narrowminded
c) or never used a real amiga.

DamienD · 29 March 2007, 16:24

Retro,

I think you mean to say "WinUAE with double pixel on a PC monitor doesn't look like the real thing, no matter in which resolution..."

Dizzy · 29 March 2007, 16:26

okay time to calm down

I think this thread moves nowhere. so why not say some like scanlines and some dont, and then lets all make a group hug

Ultron · 29 March 2007, 16:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd

The point is:

WinUAE with double pixel doesn't look like the real thing on a PC monitor, no matter in which resolution. Everyone who says yes is:

a) blind
b) narrowminded
c) or never used a real amiga.

That's true, that's why my opinion stayed always RGB triads. I think MAME implements it in as a simply fashion as an alphamapped PNG pattern over the display, it works very well, and really simulates a TV, old monitor.

Shoonay · 29 March 2007, 16:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd

WinUAE with double pixel doesn't look like the real thing on a PC monitor, no matter in which resolution.

This may not be the main essence of this thread, but yes, so we finally agree on something!

But it does count scanlines in now, doesn't it

Konrad · 29 March 2007, 16:43

Screenshots of MAME with bilinear filtering and triad6. If you want to recreate the original look of a tv, THAT'S the way to go, not scanlines:
http://files.magnanimous-majesty.de/...ter_triad6.png
http://files.magnanimous-majesty.de/...ter_triad6.png
Sorry for the links, but the screenshots are rather large

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Ultron · 29 March 2007, 16:45

Pretty much.

Retro-Nerd · 29 March 2007, 16:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Konrad

Screenshots of MAME with bilinear filtering and triad6. If you want to recreate the original look of a tv, THAT'S the way to go, not scanlines:
http://files.magnanimous-majesty.de/...ter_triad6.png
http://files.magnanimous-majesty.de/...ter_triad6.png
Sorry for the links, but the screenshots are rather large

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You are kidding, Konrad. The fonts are deformed and the whole image is blurred. This is for sure NOT the real look of a amiga.

Buy a real amiga and a decent TV with a RGB cable.

Ironclaw · 29 March 2007, 16:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Konrad

http://files.magnanimous-majesty.de/...ter_triad6.png
http://files.magnanimous-majesty.de/...ter_triad6.png
Sorry for the links, but the screenshots are rather large

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Yeah, that's how I remember it looked on a TV in the old days, I'm glad I have Winuae and a nice monitor now to see them "clean".

I think you scanline lovers are better of NOT using scanlines in WinUAE as it doesn't look anything like the effect in the above pictures....

Konrad · 29 March 2007, 16:52

@Retro:
Those are screenshots with bilinear filtering, thus the blurring. Which can be deactivated. It's just an example for a effect (which should IMO be included in WinUAE). This looks MUCH better than scanlines and is a lot closer to the original look. Connect your Amiga to a 20 year old TV and tell me again, that this is not the real look

. You can't get closer.

Retro-Nerd · 29 March 2007, 16:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Konrad

@Retro:
Connect your Amiga to a 20 year old TV and tell me again, that this is not the real look

. You can't get closer.

Yes, that's the point. Who wants to use a 20 year old TV on a amiga.

killergorilla · 29 March 2007, 16:58

20yr old TV? You mad?

Shoonay · 29 March 2007, 17:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ironclaw

Yeah, that's how I remember it looked on a TV in the old days, I'm glad I have Winuae and a nice monitor now to see them "clean".

I think you scanline lovers are better of NOT using scanlines in WinUAE as it doesn't look anything like the effect in the above pictures....

What he says

View Poll Results: Scanlines or NO scanlines?
Yes, I prefer scanlines.	81	29.14%
No, I don't like scanlines.	173	62.23%
I don't care which one. Any would do fine for me.	24	8.63%
Voters: 278. You may not vote on this poll

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29 March 2007, 16:21	#147
Shoonay Global Caturator Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Porando Age: 43 Posts: 6,107	Alright. Mr. Mod, Sir! Mr. Retro-Nerd here, wants his vote changed to: No, I don't like scanlines. Thanks You for you cooporation

29 March 2007, 16:22	#148
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,453	The point is: WinUAE with double pixel doesn't look like the real thing on a PC monitor, no matter in which resolution. Everyone who says yes is: a) blind b) narrowminded c) or never used a real amiga.

29 March 2007, 16:24	#149
DamienD Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London / Sydney Age: 47 Posts: 20,420	Retro, I think you mean to say "WinUAE with double pixel on a PC monitor doesn't look like the real thing, no matter in which resolution..."

29 March 2007, 16:26	#150
Dizzy Pirate Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Denmark Posts: 3,395	okay time to calm down I think this thread moves nowhere. so why not say some like scanlines and some dont, and then lets all make a group hug

29 March 2007, 16:43	#153
Konrad Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Germany Age: 43 Posts: 742	Screenshots of MAME with bilinear filtering and triad6. If you want to recreate the original look of a tv, THAT'S the way to go, not scanlines: http://files.magnanimous-majesty.de/...ter_triad6.png http://files.magnanimous-majesty.de/...ter_triad6.png Sorry for the links, but the screenshots are rather large .

29 March 2007, 16:45	#154
Ultron Something Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Amigaland, Nostalgia Age: 48 Posts: 757	Pretty much.

29 March 2007, 16:52	#157
Konrad Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Germany Age: 43 Posts: 742	@Retro: Those are screenshots with bilinear filtering, thus the blurring. Which can be deactivated. It's just an example for a effect (which should IMO be included in WinUAE). This looks MUCH better than scanlines and is a lot closer to the original look. Connect your Amiga to a 20 year old TV and tell me again, that this is not the real look . You can't get closer.

29 March 2007, 16:58	#159
killergorilla Lesser Talent Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Age: 42 Posts: 7,957	20yr old TV? You mad?

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