Sonnet 7200 PCI programming - Page 78

grelbfarlk · 13 January 2018, 14:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by k0x

Btw: why Rapture name?

Had to call it something, and now it's going to be a pattern.
1) Rapture
2) Ragnarok
3) Dagor Dagorath

Still trying to figure out the memory timings, slight improvement, hit 59.1 FPS in Quake2@640x480.

grelbfarlk · 13 January 2018, 22:41

Tried compiling flops with altivec turned on, don't know whether this is making a difference or not. Compiler options used were -warpup -O2 -mmultiple -mcpu=7400 -mabi=altivec -faltivec

Sonnet results:
8.Workbench:> flops

FLOPS C Program (Double Precision), V2.0 18 Dec 1992

Module Error RunTime MFLOPS
(usec)
1 2.8422e-14 0.1300 107.6830
2 2.5047e-13 0.1050 66.6545
3 -7.6605e-15 0.0925 183.7690
4 2.2782e-13 0.1200 124.9897
5 3.8969e-14 0.2100 138.0771
6 7.6050e-15 0.1325 218.8426
7 -1.1369e-13 0.3275 36.6365
8 1.2612e-13 0.1425 210.4986

Iterations = 128000000
NullTime (usec) = 0.0012
MFLOPS(1) = 84.1964
MFLOPS(2) = 76.1813
MFLOPS(3) = 126.3924
MFLOPS(4) = 186.6470

Rapture results:
7.Xworkbench:> flops

FLOPS C Program (Double Precision), V2.0 18 Dec 1992

Module Error RunTime MFLOPS
(usec)
1 -7.6739e-13 0.1067 131.2303
2 -5.7021e-13 0.0889 78.7361
3 -2.4314e-14 0.0622 273.1813
4 6.8612e-14 0.0889 168.7265
5 -1.6209e-14 0.1667 173.9709
6 1.3961e-13 0.0956 303.4453
7 -3.6152e-11 0.2845 42.1805
8 8.9373e-15 0.1022 293.4363

Iterations = 256000000
NullTime (usec) = 0.0004
MFLOPS(1) = 102.6142
MFLOPS(2) = 91.6743
MFLOPS(3) = 161.0047
MFLOPS(4) = 260.7921

If anyone wants to try this on some other WarpOS platform here is the executable. I don't testify that these results are indicative of anything other than running the same executable on the machines above.

Just ran AFlopsWOS on both and it is faster on both machines, so Altivec compiler flags aren't doing anything.

AflopsWos on Sonnet:
9.Ram Disk:> aflopswos

Amiga Flops Benchmark (Double Precision), V2.0

Module Error RunTime MFLOPS
(usec)
1 2.8422e-14 0.1250 112.0000
2 2.5047e-13 0.0975 71.7949
3 -7.6605e-15 0.0875 194.2857
4 2.2782e-13 0.1125 133.3333
5 3.8969e-14 0.2025 143.2099
6 7.6050e-15 0.1252 231.7104
7 -1.1369e-13 0.3250 36.9231
8 1.2612e-13 0.1350 222.2222

Iterations = 128000000
NullTime (usec) = 0.0050
MFLOPS(1) = 90.4348
MFLOPS(2) = 77.8427
MFLOPS(3) = 131.2175
MFLOPS(4) = 197.7589

AflopsWos on Rapture:
7.Ram Disk:> AflopsWOS

Amiga Flops Benchmark (Double Precision), V2.0

Module Error RunTime MFLOPS
(usec)
1 -7.6739e-13 0.1022 137.0031
2 -5.7021e-13 0.0823 85.0902
3 -2.4314e-14 0.0578 294.0541
4 6.8612e-14 0.0823 182.3362
5 -1.6209e-14 0.1600 181.2500
6 1.3961e-13 0.0889 326.1863
7 -3.6152e-11 0.2823 42.5131
8 8.9373e-15 0.0956 313.7255

Iterations = 256000000
NullTime (usec) = 0.0045
MFLOPS(1) = 110.8410
MFLOPS(2) = 93.8136
MFLOPS(3) = 167.9971
MFLOPS(4) = 280.3369

13 January 2018, 22:47

Where did you get PMC to PCI adapters?

Wrangler · 13 January 2018, 23:13

@grelbfarlk:

For a bit of a laugh, I ran flops on a 604e 166MHz (well, it seemed fast at the time

). Here's the results:

FLOPS C Program (Double Precision), V2.0 18 Dec 1992

Module Error RunTime MFLOPS
(usec)

1 1.3358e-12 0.2882 48.5798
2 2.0517e-13 0.2281 30.6828
3 1.7653e-14 0.1681 101.1273
4 -5.4401e-14 0.2522 59.4868
5 3.3307e-16 0.4623 62.7316
6 -1.9096e-14 0.2702 107.3386
7 2.6034e-11 0.7685 15.6153
8 -5.4068e-14 0.2882 104.1019

Iterations = 64000000
NullTime (usec) = 0.0001
MFLOPS(1) = 39.7308
MFLOPS(2) = 33.6669
MFLOPS(3) = 58.4570
MFLOPS(4) = 92.9886

Hedeon · 14 January 2018, 00:02

How does the Altivec flag work anyway? You can always compile with -S and see if there is Altivec code in it.

grelbfarlk · 14 January 2018, 00:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hedeon

How does the Altivec flag work anyway? You can always compile with -S and see if there is Altivec code in it.

This page has a little information.
https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/R...C-Options.html

Without Altivec code in the source it seems to not do anything. Should probably move this to a coders thread.

Cego · 14 January 2018, 02:41

http://www.dyneng.com/pci2pmc.html

is this where the magic starts?

Magic · 14 January 2018, 03:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cego

http://www.dyneng.com/pci2pmc.html

is this where the magic starts?

According to the changes note included with build 295 of the Sonnet archive it seems to be the "Force Computers Arroyo PMC card" I don't see any of those on Ebay though

grelbfarlk · 14 January 2018, 03:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magic

According to the changes note included with build 295 of the Sonnet archive it seems to be the "Force Computers Arroyo PMC card" I don't see any of those on Ebay though

All of our best laid plans and secrets exposed by a careless comment.

nexus · 14 January 2018, 03:26

lol nothing exposed thats not the name of it

Hedeon · 14 January 2018, 09:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by nexus

lol nothing exposed thats not the name of it

Pft, It's what it says on the PCB. That the official name is different...meh.

kgc210 · 14 January 2018, 10:05

Don't worry nothing is exposed, spent past two days on eBay looking for the thing!
No luck so far...

nexus · 14 January 2018, 10:33

silkscreens are usually internal code naming eg Channel Z

Hedeon · 14 January 2018, 11:37

Force PowerPMC-250

There, I said it.

See also http://amigafun.blogspot.nl/2015/06/...-problems.html

Magic · 14 January 2018, 11:54

That's Awesome but isn't price and availability still a problem like with the Sonnet card?

14 January 2018, 12:10

prices above sonnet when you get PMC + PMC PCI carrier...

Cego · 14 January 2018, 12:39

maybe somebody’s developing his own PMC PCI carrier?

)

Hedeon · 14 January 2018, 12:42

Like I said earlier. Got my carriers and cards for 50 each (So 100 in total per combo).

nexus · 14 January 2018, 12:56

hope everyone has money left over to buy the final version which doesnt need carriers just FYI this project wasnt cheap as in time and money spent researching deving programming etc

nexus · 14 January 2018, 13:03

and if you do buy a pmc carrrier make sure it has a fan or open area for one

13 January 2018, 22:41	#1542
grelbfarlk Registered User Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: USA Posts: 2,933	Tried compiling flops with altivec turned on, don't know whether this is making a difference or not. Compiler options used were -warpup -O2 -mmultiple -mcpu=7400 -mabi=altivec -faltivec Sonnet results: 8.Workbench:> flops FLOPS C Program (Double Precision), V2.0 18 Dec 1992 Module Error RunTime MFLOPS (usec) 1 2.8422e-14 0.1300 107.6830 2 2.5047e-13 0.1050 66.6545 3 -7.6605e-15 0.0925 183.7690 4 2.2782e-13 0.1200 124.9897 5 3.8969e-14 0.2100 138.0771 6 7.6050e-15 0.1325 218.8426 7 -1.1369e-13 0.3275 36.6365 8 1.2612e-13 0.1425 210.4986 Iterations = 128000000 NullTime (usec) = 0.0012 MFLOPS(1) = 84.1964 MFLOPS(2) = 76.1813 MFLOPS(3) = 126.3924 MFLOPS(4) = 186.6470 Rapture results: 7.Xworkbench:> flops FLOPS C Program (Double Precision), V2.0 18 Dec 1992 Module Error RunTime MFLOPS (usec) 1 -7.6739e-13 0.1067 131.2303 2 -5.7021e-13 0.0889 78.7361 3 -2.4314e-14 0.0622 273.1813 4 6.8612e-14 0.0889 168.7265 5 -1.6209e-14 0.1667 173.9709 6 1.3961e-13 0.0956 303.4453 7 -3.6152e-11 0.2845 42.1805 8 8.9373e-15 0.1022 293.4363 Iterations = 256000000 NullTime (usec) = 0.0004 MFLOPS(1) = 102.6142 MFLOPS(2) = 91.6743 MFLOPS(3) = 161.0047 MFLOPS(4) = 260.7921 If anyone wants to try this on some other WarpOS platform here is the executable. I don't testify that these results are indicative of anything other than running the same executable on the machines above. Just ran AFlopsWOS on both and it is faster on both machines, so Altivec compiler flags aren't doing anything. AflopsWos on Sonnet: 9.Ram Disk:> aflopswos Amiga Flops Benchmark (Double Precision), V2.0 Module Error RunTime MFLOPS (usec) 1 2.8422e-14 0.1250 112.0000 2 2.5047e-13 0.0975 71.7949 3 -7.6605e-15 0.0875 194.2857 4 2.2782e-13 0.1125 133.3333 5 3.8969e-14 0.2025 143.2099 6 7.6050e-15 0.1252 231.7104 7 -1.1369e-13 0.3250 36.9231 8 1.2612e-13 0.1350 222.2222 Iterations = 128000000 NullTime (usec) = 0.0050 MFLOPS(1) = 90.4348 MFLOPS(2) = 77.8427 MFLOPS(3) = 131.2175 MFLOPS(4) = 197.7589 AflopsWos on Rapture: 7.Ram Disk:> AflopsWOS Amiga Flops Benchmark (Double Precision), V2.0 Module Error RunTime MFLOPS (usec) 1 -7.6739e-13 0.1022 137.0031 2 -5.7021e-13 0.0823 85.0902 3 -2.4314e-14 0.0578 294.0541 4 6.8612e-14 0.0823 182.3362 5 -1.6209e-14 0.1600 181.2500 6 1.3961e-13 0.0889 326.1863 7 -3.6152e-11 0.2823 42.5131 8 8.9373e-15 0.0956 313.7255 Iterations = 256000000 NullTime (usec) = 0.0045 MFLOPS(1) = 110.8410 MFLOPS(2) = 93.8136 MFLOPS(3) = 167.9971 MFLOPS(4) = 280.3369 Last edited by grelbfarlk; 22 June 2018 at 03:22.

14 January 2018, 02:41	#1547
Cego Registered User Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Germany Posts: 163	http://www.dyneng.com/pci2pmc.html is this where the magic starts? Last edited by Cego; 14 January 2018 at 02:54.

14 January 2018, 11:37	#1554
Hedeon Semi-Retired Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Leiden / The Netherlands Posts: 2,016	Force PowerPMC-250 There, I said it. See also http://amigafun.blogspot.nl/2015/06/...-problems.html Last edited by Hedeon; 14 January 2018 at 11:46.

14 January 2018, 11:54	#1555
Magic Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: USA Posts: 362	That's Awesome but isn't price and availability still a problem like with the Sonnet card? Last edited by Magic; 14 January 2018 at 12:05.

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13 January 2018, 22:47	#1543
zomos Posts: n/a	Where did you get PMC to PCI adapters?

13 January 2018, 23:13	#1544
Wrangler Registered User Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: London, UK Posts: 414	@grelbfarlk: For a bit of a laugh, I ran flops on a 604e 166MHz (well, it seemed fast at the time ). Here's the results: FLOPS C Program (Double Precision), V2.0 18 Dec 1992 Module Error RunTime MFLOPS (usec) 1 1.3358e-12 0.2882 48.5798 2 2.0517e-13 0.2281 30.6828 3 1.7653e-14 0.1681 101.1273 4 -5.4401e-14 0.2522 59.4868 5 3.3307e-16 0.4623 62.7316 6 -1.9096e-14 0.2702 107.3386 7 2.6034e-11 0.7685 15.6153 8 -5.4068e-14 0.2882 104.1019 Iterations = 64000000 NullTime (usec) = 0.0001 MFLOPS(1) = 39.7308 MFLOPS(2) = 33.6669 MFLOPS(3) = 58.4570 MFLOPS(4) = 92.9886

14 January 2018, 00:02	#1545
Hedeon Semi-Retired Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Leiden / The Netherlands Posts: 2,016	How does the Altivec flag work anyway? You can always compile with -S and see if there is Altivec code in it.

14 January 2018, 03:26	#1550
nexus Registered User Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: USA Posts: 728	lol nothing exposed thats not the name of it

14 January 2018, 10:05	#1552
kgc210 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Stoke-On-Trent, England Posts: 450	Don't worry nothing is exposed, spent past two days on eBay looking for the thing! No luck so far...

14 January 2018, 10:33	#1553
nexus Registered User Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: USA Posts: 728	silkscreens are usually internal code naming eg Channel Z

14 January 2018, 12:10	#1556
zomos Posts: n/a	prices above sonnet when you get PMC + PMC PCI carrier...

14 January 2018, 12:39	#1557
Cego Registered User Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Germany Posts: 163	maybe somebody’s developing his own PMC PCI carrier? )

14 January 2018, 12:42	#1558
Hedeon Semi-Retired Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Leiden / The Netherlands Posts: 2,016	Like I said earlier. Got my carriers and cards for 50 each (So 100 in total per combo).

14 January 2018, 12:56	#1559
nexus Registered User Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: USA Posts: 728	hope everyone has money left over to buy the final version which doesnt need carriers just FYI this project wasnt cheap as in time and money spent researching deving programming etc

14 January 2018, 13:03	#1560
nexus Registered User Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: USA Posts: 728	and if you do buy a pmc carrrier make sure it has a fan or open area for one

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