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Again, I do not say that this is anyone's fault. It is just the way how the technology evolved, the speed in which it evolves, and the unavailability of manpower. But then why pretend that the machines have a practical value? Absolutely nothing. Look, you can be sentimental about anything you like, and I am certainly not going to tell you want you should do and what not. I am just stating that I do not get it. What qualifies a milestone? PC-wise, the rise of the internet, multi-core processing, to name two that we missed. I was also impressed by the first Unix workstation I used as I could kill processes without having to reboot the system. But I see nothing really impressive about the PPCs whatsoever. Oh, I am not suggesting to stop anyone from developing anything. That is an individual choice, so do what you like to do. I am just saying that I don't see a point. I neither see a point in people collecting stamps, but that doesn't stop them from doing it either. However, I understand that this (stamp collection) defines a viable market, so there is a business model. For the NGs, I neither see a point, nor do I recognize a substantial market that would qualify as a business. I am just making the statement that the market for PPC is small, and shrinking, and from a business perspective, I don't see any. I am only saying that I am not sentimental about NG in any particular way, and I do not understand how people could as I do not see anything impressive technology-wise. |
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Let's be honest here, you can browse the web on AmigaOS4/MorphOS only if you carefully pick the sites you want to visit.
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I understand, really, that you are attached to the stuff. But please don't tell me that a slow PPC can browse the web decently, with no active software in continuous development, with the technology changing in a cycle of months. I do have a 233Mhz G3 Mac. Not for Morphos, not for Os4, really. But the speed is... not all impressive. Even with four times the power, it would be all not usable, and there is at least the chance to a get a browser that is updated monthly. Unlike the NGs. Quote:
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Err... The CPU does matter, as it defines the performance limits of a system. Which are quite narrow for PPC, in particular for web applications. Certainly a lot narrower for the 68k, obviously. And if the CPU does not matter, well, why are you so attached to PPC? Use a decent CPU. |
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The idea of competing with or beating Windows or Mac feature for feature is not wise. The Amiga is something different. Maybe it always was. The Amigas market can grow and blossom without trying to make it like Windows or Mac.
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100% this. Not everyone "needs" nor wants all the cloud nonsense and everything else that's absolutely modern and connected. Some of us find that what we want to do on a computer at home can be done just fine by an Amiga, either 68k or PPC. NG doesn't have to be bleeding-edge modern, and in fact it's pretty disingenuous of certain people in this thread constantly insinuating that it has to be with their comments. |
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On a Amiga X5000 I never found speed to be an issue. It seems fast enough.
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Browsers... Thanks, just what I thought. Thus, not suitable for productive work. By all means, be. But don't try to evangelise me, this will not work. It is a lost attempt. |
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I agree ealm and no matter what browser I use on a Amiga-like system, I can't use it for my weekly bank account management.
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Your definition is completely wrong. To be NG it only has to be more advanced than its previous incarnation, not anything/everything else (NG Amiga not NG computer).
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That reminds me a little bit of "you are holding it wrong". I know what you mean, but on the other hand OS 3.x was not really usable without patches for the last 30 years - at least for me. And my soft-kicked A3000 gave me the opportunity to include most patches in the Kickstart, which I did since the 90s... Last edited by Gorf; 07 May 2020 at 17:02. |
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Even browsing on a modern browser at top speed is possible ... you just need VNC. All it lacks is maybe a more seamless integration ... There are different types of "clouds" and you can make it private and secure and adjusted to your needs. With the right tools even on a slow machine running a cumbersome OS like ours you can do now virtually everything. Last edited by Gorf; 07 May 2020 at 17:13. |
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07 May 2020, 17:06 | #137 |
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Thats not true. My Amiga OS4 machine is my man cave's internet machine, I mainly use it web surfing and download "things" for my other retro machines. Never ever needed to use Windows or other mainstream machine for that.
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Just because the sites you visit happen to work doesn't mean every other site will, and you know that.
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07 May 2020, 17:50 | #139 |
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What did happen with Timberwolf they just took the money and left people with a usable web browser?
The PPC hardware might not be that up to date but you can run Linux on it can't you and get a good web browser witch suggests OS4 isn't capable and if it can't do that........ |
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