The upcoming EAB's Database - Page 5

Warlock99 · 10 May 2001, 21:41

Do you think anybody cares whether a game is licenceware / shareware/ freeware?

I think this all should be under one field

Public domain (freeware\licenceware\shareware)

This is enough surely? Does anybody think otherwise or have a reason why this shouldn't be the case.

I think pd games should be included in one way or another though because some are really good.

Amiga1992 · 10 May 2001, 22:08

Licenseware games are semi-commercial, really. Were sold at budget prices, and were published, unlike freeware/shareware soft. They were not freely distributable, then.

RCK · 10 May 2001, 23:14

. Public Domain covered "freeware / shareware & PD"
. Commercial covered "Lisenceware"

Any others idea for apps category than :
> Audio
> Gfx
> Net
> Utils
> Programs

?

Warlock99 · 10 May 2001, 23:43

Yeah, that sounds fine RCK about the commercial and PD.

Programs and utils are too wide for types. They need splitting down.

A program could be anything, in fact that should be the name of that list because an application in my eyes are things like word processors, databases, spreadsheets.

I've just looked at an online computer dictionary(http://www.charm.net/~kmarsh/dict.html) and it defines an application as:

A software program or system of programs designed to fulfill a specific user requirement. Categories of applications include Spreadsheets for bookkeeping, Word Processors for documents, and Databases for recordkeeping.

This seems to confirm my thoughts. Sorry, just for accuracy sake.

RCK · 11 May 2001, 00:29

Oki, i have inverted

"Programs"

> Audio
> Gfx
> Net
> Utility
> Application

no more item for the programs ?

Warlock99 · 11 May 2001, 21:43

Right, I've completed the list. With a grand total 5729 games on it.

Right the list needs splitting up. RCK, is this necessary? Won't the fields that you mentioned already (commercial and PD) and (aga/ecs/ocs/cd32) separate the types of games up anyway, as people submit their bits of information.

It's just that I think it will take a long long time for this list to be split up in this manner, surely this is what we're trying to avoid in the first place? I'm pretty sure I could sort out most of the cd32/aga stuff. Not sure about the rest though.

I will obviously contribute to sorting out this when the database becomes active, but I think help from everyone will be essential, after all that was the whole idea wasn't it?

If you preferred we could have some period of time, where we the developers can work on this, before making it open to the public. What do you think?

I've attached the list anyway?

RCK · 11 May 2001, 23:24

I think that you are right

no need to split the list.

This list will be the starting point, then everybody will be able to submit update.

The launch for moderators and beta test is shredulled in about one week (or maybe less)

The launch for public later.

The Design of all website is now finish (95%), and it really rocks

Wait & See, you will love it

Warlock99 · 11 May 2001, 23:50

Great! Can't wait to see what you've done!

CodyJarrett · 12 May 2001, 12:40

Watch out for duplicates in the Mammoth list. So far, I've seen the following in twice:

4 Get-It
Alien 3
Alien Hunter
Alien Legion
Alien World
Amiga Karate
Arcade Pool
Ballistic Diplomacy
Battle Command
Beach Volley
Brutal Paws Of Fury
Castle Warrior
Centre Court Tennis
Champions Of Dawn
Chaos Engine
Chess Champion 2175
Colonization
Crash Landing

Also, do you need all those Assassins Disks in the list?

Warlock99 · 12 May 2001, 13:32

Thanks code jarrett!

I was going to say that I need to get rid of some duplicates! Is that all of them or are there more?

I was hoping somebody would check it all for me?

I think it would be good to review the assassin disks, don't you?

CodyJarrett · 12 May 2001, 19:34

I only looked quickly - I'll check the rest of the alphabet and then when the obvious ones are gone, I'll do a more thorough check.

Do you include all compilations or just the Assassins ones? Do you also include pirate compilations, like Astronut's disks? Aren't the games on the disks more important?

RCK · 12 May 2001, 19:52

Yep, the games on the compilation are the most important.
no need to have one game like : "Assassins Games Pack #82", but rather - Artillerous ESC / - Shuffle Run ESC / - Arcade Volleyball ESC.

Warlock99 · 12 May 2001, 20:10

Yes, I agree but, does anybody have a list of the games on the assassin disks that we could merge it together with? Save me going through all 250 of them. Or does somebody want to split the job with me?

RCK · 12 May 2001, 20:24

all the list is on http://www.commodore-ale.com

I'm working hard on the website, I actually can't really help you to sort the list.

Warlock99 · 12 May 2001, 20:30

I didn't mean you RCK. Thanks for telling me about the list though!

Warlock99 · 17 May 2001, 00:07

I've emailed mangar who is involved in the CAFE project which is a database like ours, but is program-based rather than web-based.

Just so everyone knows the score and understands the situation, this is my email to him after I had initially spoke to him on his forum when he'd asked about our project:-

Quote:

What we are trying to do is a web-based database. Where visitors can submit information/reviews for a game by filling in a very simple online form. The list of game is nearly 6000 games but more can be added. The list is basically just that and we're relying on amiga enthusiasts to fill in the rest of the information. The database will be maintained by a group of moderators who moderate the information/reviews being sent in to check for accuracy. The good thing about this approach in our eyes is that the list can grow very fast in theory and it uses the massive user-base of the internet in a really useful way. If you think about the amount of time it's going to take one person to make a decent amiga database, then it makes sense to do it this way. I'm not sure of the way's we can help each other at the moment, but tell me about the progress of yours.

How far through your project are you. What needs doing? What is the scope of the database? How long is the whole thing going to take?

Here is mangar's reply:-

Quote:

By all means we can share information. Is your database currently online?

As for CAFE, Hitoro is working on the actual launcher. I don't know the current state of it since its been a while since I have heard from him. I do know it is user-configurable to hold any type of file or information for each title whether its screenshots, play mods, documentation, cheats, cover scans, reviews, etc.. Its really up to the end user as to how much in-depth they want their database to be. Screenshots of CAFE can be seen on the website.

Our database is being built by me. I'm currently awaiting a copy of cafe so I can at least start constructing the physical database. Currently, I have finished collecting as much software as I can and I am in the process of verifying each and every title. Weeding out duplicates and fakes while identifying non-working or semi-working titles and trying to fix them. I'm also in talks with an oldskool cracker to try and get him onboard to crack some of the non-cracked games floating around.

When will CAFE be finished? The sooner I get a beta version the quicker it will get done.. I hope to get a beta version next time I hear from Hitoro which, hopfully, will be soon..

I know I can help you verify the info in your database as I go through mine and vice versa. If you or I am missing any of the titles we can give each other copies. If there is a way we can help each other that I'm forgetting please let me know.

I have given him details of how to get to this discussion board.

Fred the Fop · 16 July 2001, 13:37

Screenshots...NEED SCREENSHOTS:hooooo

RCK · 16 July 2001, 14:19

There will be full of screenshots, don't worry.
(Cody's powered

)

Paul · 16 July 2001, 15:32

I am not sure what to suggest to improve you database, so here goes.

Maybe a category for emulators.

E.g.
Dose the software work with emulators?
Which emulator runs the listed software best?

CodyJarrett · 16 July 2001, 15:47

I think that I'd prefer the database to be just game information at this stage, as the emulators aren't exactly in a stable state. Whether games work or not and how well they work seems to changes from version to version sometimes, so it would be a tedious job to check every game with each new version of an emulator.

If the basic game info is together, then everything will follow after that.

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10 May 2001, 21:41	#81
Warlock99 Webmaster of AmigaRarities Join Date: May 2001 Location: Liverpool / UK Age: 53 Posts: 222	Problems Do you think anybody cares whether a game is licenceware / shareware/ freeware? I think this all should be under one field Public domain (freeware\licenceware\shareware) This is enough surely? Does anybody think otherwise or have a reason why this shouldn't be the case. I think pd games should be included in one way or another though because some are really good.

10 May 2001, 23:14	#83
RCK Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Paris / France Age: 45 Posts: 3,093	Upgraded. . Public Domain covered "freeware / shareware & PD" . Commercial covered "Lisenceware" Any others idea for apps category than : > Audio > Gfx > Net > Utils > Programs ?

10 May 2001, 23:43	#84
Warlock99 Webmaster of AmigaRarities Join Date: May 2001 Location: Liverpool / UK Age: 53 Posts: 222	PD and apps Yeah, that sounds fine RCK about the commercial and PD. Programs and utils are too wide for types. They need splitting down. A program could be anything, in fact that should be the name of that list because an application in my eyes are things like word processors, databases, spreadsheets. I've just looked at an online computer dictionary(http://www.charm.net/~kmarsh/dict.html) and it defines an application as: A software program or system of programs designed to fulfill a specific user requirement. Categories of applications include Spreadsheets for bookkeeping, Word Processors for documents, and Databases for recordkeeping. This seems to confirm my thoughts. Sorry, just for accuracy sake.

11 May 2001, 21:43	#86
Warlock99 Webmaster of AmigaRarities Join Date: May 2001 Location: Liverpool / UK Age: 53 Posts: 222	completed list Right, I've completed the list. With a grand total 5729 games on it. Right the list needs splitting up. RCK, is this necessary? Won't the fields that you mentioned already (commercial and PD) and (aga/ecs/ocs/cd32) separate the types of games up anyway, as people submit their bits of information. It's just that I think it will take a long long time for this list to be split up in this manner, surely this is what we're trying to avoid in the first place? I'm pretty sure I could sort out most of the cd32/aga stuff. Not sure about the rest though. I will obviously contribute to sorting out this when the database becomes active, but I think help from everyone will be essential, after all that was the whole idea wasn't it? If you preferred we could have some period of time, where we the developers can work on this, before making it open to the public. What do you think? I've attached the list anyway?

10 May 2001, 22:08	#82
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,646	Licenseware games are semi-commercial, really. Were sold at budget prices, and were published, unlike freeware/shareware soft. They were not freely distributable, then.

11 May 2001, 00:29	#85
RCK Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Paris / France Age: 45 Posts: 3,093	Oki, i have inverted "Programs" > Audio > Gfx > Net > Utility > Application no more item for the programs ?

11 May 2001, 23:24	#87
RCK Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Paris / France Age: 45 Posts: 3,093	I think that you are right no need to split the list. This list will be the starting point, then everybody will be able to submit update. The launch for moderators and beta test is shredulled in about one week (or maybe less) The launch for public later. The Design of all website is now finish (95%), and it really rocks Wait & See, you will love it

11 May 2001, 23:50	#88
Warlock99 Webmaster of AmigaRarities Join Date: May 2001 Location: Liverpool / UK Age: 53 Posts: 222	Great Great! Can't wait to see what you've done!

12 May 2001, 12:40	#89
CodyJarrett Global Moderator Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: UK Age: 46 Posts: 6,161	Duplicates Watch out for duplicates in the Mammoth list. So far, I've seen the following in twice: 4 Get-It Alien 3 Alien Hunter Alien Legion Alien World Amiga Karate Arcade Pool Ballistic Diplomacy Battle Command Beach Volley Brutal Paws Of Fury Castle Warrior Centre Court Tennis Champions Of Dawn Chaos Engine Chess Champion 2175 Colonization Crash Landing Also, do you need all those Assassins Disks in the list?

12 May 2001, 13:32	#90
Warlock99 Webmaster of AmigaRarities Join Date: May 2001 Location: Liverpool / UK Age: 53 Posts: 222	Thanks Thanks code jarrett! I was going to say that I need to get rid of some duplicates! Is that all of them or are there more? I was hoping somebody would check it all for me? I think it would be good to review the assassin disks, don't you?

12 May 2001, 19:34	#91
CodyJarrett Global Moderator Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: UK Age: 46 Posts: 6,161	Dups I only looked quickly - I'll check the rest of the alphabet and then when the obvious ones are gone, I'll do a more thorough check. Do you include all compilations or just the Assassins ones? Do you also include pirate compilations, like Astronut's disks? Aren't the games on the disks more important?

12 May 2001, 19:52	#92
RCK Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Paris / France Age: 45 Posts: 3,093	Yep, the games on the compilation are the most important. no need to have one game like : "Assassins Games Pack #82", but rather - Artillerous ESC / - Shuffle Run ESC / - Arcade Volleyball ESC.

12 May 2001, 20:10	#93
Warlock99 Webmaster of AmigaRarities Join Date: May 2001 Location: Liverpool / UK Age: 53 Posts: 222	OK Yes, I agree but, does anybody have a list of the games on the assassin disks that we could merge it together with? Save me going through all 250 of them. Or does somebody want to split the job with me?

12 May 2001, 20:24	#94
RCK Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Paris / France Age: 45 Posts: 3,093	all the list is on http://www.commodore-ale.com I'm working hard on the website, I actually can't really help you to sort the list.

12 May 2001, 20:30	#95
Warlock99 Webmaster of AmigaRarities Join Date: May 2001 Location: Liverpool / UK Age: 53 Posts: 222	Ta! I didn't mean you RCK. Thanks for telling me about the list though!

16 July 2001, 13:37	#97
Fred the Fop flaming faggot Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Versailles Age: 55 Posts: 2,808	Screenshots...NEED SCREENSHOTS:hooooo

16 July 2001, 14:19	#98
RCK Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Paris / France Age: 45 Posts: 3,093	There will be full of screenshots, don't worry. (Cody's powered )

16 July 2001, 15:32	#99
Paul RIP Friends Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: UK Posts: 2,157	I am not sure what to suggest to improve you database, so here goes. Maybe a category for emulators. E.g. Dose the software work with emulators? Which emulator runs the listed software best?

16 July 2001, 15:47	#100
CodyJarrett Global Moderator Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: UK Age: 46 Posts: 6,161	Emulators I think that I'd prefer the database to be just game information at this stage, as the emulators aren't exactly in a stable state. Whether games work or not and how well they work seems to changes from version to version sometimes, so it would be a tedious job to check every game with each new version of an emulator. If the basic game info is together, then everything will follow after that.

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