LC and EC 68060 to Amiga OK, or not? - Page 5

nexus · 14 October 2018, 21:59

wish my cats would start repairing my pile of A2000's
only if they had opposable thumbs
though they are good at opening doors haha
they just rather sleep on the pile of electronics all day
but i guess its ok they are old and retired now lol

project23 · 14 October 2018, 22:27

I don't understand this kid at all. What is he here for? I mean why does anybody need an 060 Amiga so desperately in 2018.

Like you keep saying, its still slow.

What do you use the Amiga for?

For me it is to learn about computers, electronics, retro gaming, and of course nostalgia. For that, a minimal accelerator is fine - even just fastram and IDE would make a huge difference.

300 euros is a lot of money, especially for somebody on minimum wage, but why do you need an 060 so badly? 100 euros for a wicher or a furia is much more reasonable for a machine with the above uses, surely?

As patronising as this may sound I truly sympathise with the differences in GDP and minimum wage etc between different parts of the world. Of course i do. But it is the way it is, and it isn't EAB's fault. Nor can EAB do anything to help with it either. A user on EAB cannot generously sell you such an expensive item for a low cost unless they are rich enough to do so, because the cost of living is higher elsewhere too. Your best bet is to find the item you want locally, at prices that make sense to you and your seller locally. This may prove impossible for rare or highly sought after items, but none of us can do anything about that for you. This may be the beer in me speaking, but I wish i could,

Decide what the Amiga scene is for you, and what you want out of it. Make it work within your own set of limits. There are people everywhere, globally, in positions like you who cannot buy what they want because they are in heavy debt, or have too many commitments, or a family to raise on one income, and a plethora of other reasons that have nothing to do with minimum wage.

I bought a Furia because it was in my budget. I found a local A500 for a cheap price (20 euro, not stupid ebay prices), learned about the TF530 and spent time and money well within my budget to make that my focus.

There's more to the Amiga than mere speed.

John

EDIT: Oh, and we're not 'rich'. At least if we are then i've been left off some bloody list and I want my money dammit!!

amiga2000 · 14 October 2018, 22:50

The Hungarian Amiga prices are equal to the German, etc. Amiga prices. From my low incomes I cannot pay the German, etc. prices. I bought the A1240 card, I use it, I wanted to upgrade to 1260, then I wanted to sell with profit. I wanted to use cheap components (68060, etc.), but I did not find it. The upgrade is meaningless without cheap components. I cannot sell it without upgrade with profit.

plasmab · 14 October 2018, 23:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by amiga2000

The Hungarian Amiga prices are equal to the German, etc. Amiga prices. From my low incomes I cannot pay the German, etc. prices. I bought the A1240 card, I use it, I wanted to upgrade to 1260, then I wanted to sell with profit. I wanted to use cheap components (68060, etc.), but I did not find it. The upgrade is meaningless without cheap components. I cannot sell it without upgrade with profit.

Pro Tip. If you want help lose the attitude. Despite your previous rants at me about the 030 boards in previous threads I was perfectly willing to help you figure out how to get the parts you needed. You then started on your usual rhetoric about how things arent worth what people want for them... Now i will not help you. I doubt anyone else will either. In fact if i had a kit i'd charge you double what I would anyone else because you're going to be a PITA to deal with. Perhaps there is a lesson there for you?

project23 · 15 October 2018, 00:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by amiga2000

The Hungarian Amiga prices are equal to the German, etc. Amiga prices.

On eBay.

Take a look here:

http://apro.amiga.hu/

Take a lucky guess what that might be? A hungarian based classified section.

There's an A1200 described as 'new condition': Works out around 270GBP... expensive? For Hungary, maybe, i don't know. For the UK? If the condition is that good, no!

8meg fast ram with FPU for A1200: 68GBP

Tested A1200 basic machine: 223GBP!! That's bloody good!

Amiga 600 / Aca630 / Indivision ECS / RTC Module / A604N / Rapid Road USB / Prism Megamix Soundcard. Everything has its box: 760GBP
The indivision ECS alone goes for 150 GBP on ebay (when you can get it). The ACA630 goes for at least 200. The rapidroad is around 100. a604n only around 35. Prisma Megamix is around 75? Cheapest I could find for a tested A600 on ebay was around 110 with shipping - and thats one lucky buyer. Most are around 150. All in all thats 670-720GBP, so about 90GBP short at worst and 30GBP short at best. But lets not forget everything is boxed and tested, sold as a bundle etc, you get this all the time.

Look the point is - Hungarian classified sites seem to be fine with the prices! They seem to match ours pretty well, and in some cases undercut us! Can you point me in the direction of Hungarian forums I can browse through with people similarly complaining about the ridiculous prices of Amiga components?

Again, I sympathise with the economic differences country to country, I really really do. I'd love an A3000 as much as you'd love an 060 accelerator, i really would, and it bugs me that they're getting expensive. But that's just life - my situation will one day improve and maybe I can justify the purchase. But you can't just moan to a community about it and expect something to be done for free, or for a loss!

John

EDIT: And as Stephen said - that attitude of yours goes way beyond the language barrier. You seem to just expect people to do things for you. Like you're somehow entitled to the services of more experienced/knowledgeable people for free. It doesn't do you any favours.

amiga2000 · 15 October 2018, 01:05

This not super cheap: https://www.ebay.de/itm/Amiga-1200-m...-/183474712320

grelbfarlk · 15 October 2018, 01:14

He's not complaining that he can't get an 060 to enjoy his Amiga, he's complaining that he can't buy cheap parts and sell them for great profit. He also thinks that dealers are somehow successfully buying cheap parts and making a fortune off of them.

Whenever you see Kipper driving around his Bugatti Veyron or DamienD talking about how he hates the upholstery in his private jet think of poor (in sympathy not money) amiga2000. Let's not forget Stachu's Castle, why I heard he upgraded his murder-holes to drop flaming hot rev5 060s on invaders, that's how many he has stockpiled.

If you want to make money, don't do it on Amiga, how about the Internet, get some of that Internet money. Or bees, there's a lot of money in bees.

amiga2000 · 15 October 2018, 01:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by project23

On eBay.

Take a look here:

http://apro.amiga.hu/

Take a lucky guess what that might be? A hungarian based classified section.

There's an A1200 described as 'new condition': Works out around 270GBP... expensive? For Hungary, maybe, i don't know. For the UK? If the condition is that good, no!

8meg fast ram with FPU for A1200: 68GBP

Tested A1200 basic machine: 223GBP!! That's bloody good!

Amiga 600 / Aca630 / Indivision ECS / RTC Module / A604N / Rapid Road USB / Prism Megamix Soundcard. Everything has its box: 760GBP
The indivision ECS alone goes for 150 GBP on ebay (when you can get it). The ACA630 goes for at least 200. The rapidroad is around 100. a604n only around 35. Prisma Megamix is around 75? Cheapest I could find for a tested A600 on ebay was around 110 with shipping - and thats one lucky buyer. Most are around 150. All in all thats 670-720GBP, so about 90GBP short at worst and 30GBP short at best. But lets not forget everything is boxed and tested, sold as a bundle etc, you get this all the time.

Look the point is - Hungarian classified sites seem to be fine with the prices! They seem to match ours pretty well, and in some cases undercut us! Can you point me in the direction of Hungarian forums I can browse through with people similarly complaining about the ridiculous prices of Amiga components?

Again, I sympathise with the economic differences country to country, I really really do. I'd love an A3000 as much as you'd love an 060 accelerator, i really would, and it bugs me that they're getting expensive. But that's just life - my situation will one day improve and maybe I can justify the purchase. But you can't just moan to a community about it and expect something to be done for free, or for a loss!

John

EDIT: And as Stephen said - that attitude of yours goes way beyond the language barrier. You seem to just expect people to do things for you. Like you're somehow entitled to the services of more experienced/knowledgeable people for free. It doesn't do you any favours.

apro.amiga:
http://apro.amiga.hu/index.php?abs=1&i&apro=11045#11045
He looks for a Blizzard 1260 for 210000 HUF. 210000 HUF = 650 €. Nobody sells it to him, because it is possible to sell it at foreign countries more expensively!

100000 HUF = 270 GBP (dealer). A1200 stuff = too expensive in Hungary. Sold price 70-80000 HUF (220-250 €).

8 MB fastRAM 25000 HUF = 68 GBP (collector+dealer), too expensive. 68030 40-42 MHz turbocard + 8 MB RAM = 100-130 € (33-40000 HUF) on ebay.de.
112 € https://www.ebay.de/itm/Amiga-1200-T...-/263918848324
134 €: https://www.ebay.de/itm/Amiga-Turbok...-/382560668035
Etc.

A600 stuff (collector+dealer) = too expensive. A1200 stuff better. 760 GBP=865 €. 408 € A1200+PSU+B1230+SCSI kit:
https://www.ebay.de/itm/Amiga-1200-m...-/183474712320

If you would have 300 € the incomes/month, what kind of things you would buy??? Prices?

project23 · 15 October 2018, 01:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by amiga2000

This not super cheap: https://www.ebay.de/itm/Amiga-1200-m...-/183474712320

Yes it is, in Germany and most of the EU.

I'm sorry, but it is. Thats an A1200 with an 030 accelerator, for 360GBP

Here's the cheapest buy it now A1200 I could find in the UK without an accelerator:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/commodore-amiga-1200/183398779890?hash=item2ab36b4bf2:g:yyQAAOSwfHFbgaeo:rk:18

f:0

250GBP and thats the cheapest.

So your example gives an A1200 and what - 110GBP for an 030 accelerator with 32 meg ram SCSI controller. Seriously?

John

project23 · 15 October 2018, 01:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by amiga2000

If you would have 300 € the incomes/month, what kind of things you would buy??? Prices?

Friend.

I am sorry your country can't give you a job to fund this hobby.

I really am.

But what the hell do you expect us to do about it? What exactly do you want us to do?

We cannot fix the world for you unfortunately. You realise that, right? We cannot fix your economy or give you loan to kickstart your hobby.

I really am baffled by your expectations.

Again, a thousand sympathies for your situation - I have good Romanian friends who have come over for a better life and better pay, and I understand how different things can be over in Eastern Europe.

But what. The hell. Do you want us. To do?

John

amiga2000 · 15 October 2018, 01:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by project23

Yes it is, in Germany and most of the EU.

I'm sorry, but it is. Thats an A1200 with an 030 accelerator, for 360GBP

Here's the cheapest buy it now A1200 I could find in the UK without an accelerator:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/commodore...aeo:rk:18:pf:0

250GBP and thats the cheapest.

So your example gives an A1200 and what - 110GBP for an 030 accelerator with 32 meg ram SCSI controller. Seriously?

John

A1200+PSU+B1230+SCSI kit with 2×16 MB = 408 € cheap?? Why?? Machine untested! 68882 yes, or no? No internal HDD, but "A1200 HD" logo! Internal FDD untested, Kickstart version unknown, CF-IDE adaptor and CF card unknown, A1200 yellowed, etc.. The whole stuff untested, CF card empty, no SCSI device. External SCSI connector installed. Why? Boot, sysinfo pic, etc. impossible. No WB 3.0 disks.
Tested A1200 200 €, tested B1230 200 €, tested SCSI kit 100 € = 500 €. Untested stuff for 408 € = too expensive.

project23 · 15 October 2018, 01:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by amiga2000

A1200+PSU+B1230+SCSI kit with 2×16 MB = 408 € cheap?? Why?? Machine untested! 68882 yes, or no? No internal HDD, but "A1200 HD" logo! Internal FDD untested, Kickstart version unknown, CF-IDE adaptor and CF card unknown, A1200 yellowed, etc.. The whole stuff untested, CF card empty, no SCSI device. External SCSI connector installed. Why? Boot, sysinfo pic, etc. impossible. No WB 3.0 disks.

Forget that post for a minute.

Answer my next post, and question.

What do you want us to do?

It is a simple question.

What do you want us (the EAB forum members) to do?

amiga2000 · 15 October 2018, 01:44

This my topic, answer my message 91.

project23 · 15 October 2018, 01:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by amiga2000

This my topic, answer my message 91.

I'm going to ignore the attitude.

I already answered your message 91. Read my reply. But hey, i'll summarise the answer for you. The cheapest bare A1200 I can find in the UK on ebay is £250. The cheapest 1230-IV with only 4mb fast ram (infact the only one on UK ebay right now) is £295. That's 618 EUR total. Your example was 408 EUR. I'm assuming you can contrast two numbers.

If you want to know if the machine is tested, if it has a 68882, has a HD, has had the FDD tested, would like to know the kickstart number, or would like more pictures... then ASK. ASK THE DAMN SELLER. THAT'S WHAT YOU DO! YOU COMMUNICATE WITH THE PERSON YOU'RE BUYING FROM! YOU HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THEM! A REASONABLE ONE! A CIVIL ONE!

Now answer my question. This is the last time I will ever respond to you if you dodge the question again. Sorry, i've had enough of this crap.

WHAT DO YOU WANT US (THE EAB FORUM MEMBERS) TO ACTUALLY DO?

John

amiga2000 · 15 October 2018, 02:18

Why ebay.co.uk only? Look whole Europe all ebay site! Italy, France, Austria, Germany, Spain, etc.. Ebay.de cheaper.
The A1200+B1230 auction = sold! Not active!

I force nobody to my topic onto writing.

I am a pensioner, I live alone, my income less, than 91000 HUF (280 €=245 GBP). I do not can to heat this winter already, because of my low incomes. I look for the opportunities increasing my income.
This forum is meaningless if nobody helps me. The many retro users tolerate high profits of many dealers, but I get my share of nothing. I need min. 60000 HUF = 200 € clear profit/month.

project23 · 15 October 2018, 02:38

You have not answered my question.

Again, you have my sympathies. But from what I can see it isn't access to the hobby you want, it's access to the highest grade of hardware (an 060) - that a lot of people in the UK and the rest of Europe can't afford either.

The pension in the UK is currently around £740 a month. (I believe?)

Now take a look at this page.

Pensioners in my country face similar issues of not being able to afford heating in the winter. It's a really big problem with a lot of unnecessary hospitalisations and even deaths as a result. Austerity has effected the whole of Europe.

I'm not saying life for you here right now would be the same as life there. Clearly there are examples (such as basic heating) that are ridiculously expensive on your pension, compared to ours. But other standards of living are 100-300% the price of those in Hungary. The point being, the situation is far from simple.

And as I say, you still haven't told us what you want us to do.

It seems you just want to complain about the situation. And i get it. Things suck. But it certainly doesn't justify the attitude, and as for the demands - I just don't understand how you think that would be successful?

Anyway i've already broken my rule, haha... No more responses from me, sorry. Good luck. The Amiga scene is accessible to you whether you want to admit it or not. Perhaps not the 060 end, but the 030 end - the hobbyist end - definitely.

Like I say, good luck, and take care - i really do mean that. And please, stop posting these silly complaints and demands - there is nothing we as a community can change for you. I'm sorry.

John

amiga2000 · 15 October 2018, 04:15

740 GBP= 273000 HUF = 840 €! This is near UK minimal wage! I am not sorry for the Englishs.

nexus · 15 October 2018, 05:18

you have a computer and internet get a job online
mine cryptocoins
become a youtuber
start scrapping
we all find ways to pay for our toys if not then we just dont have them
simple as that
americas min wage is $7.25 a hr that wouldnt even pay my electric bill
cost way more to cool my house than it does to heat yours
and i still have to shell out tons to redo hurricane damage and redo my insulation roof and heatpump
life is a bitch
we all have our money issues even more so when you have kids
you must find other ways either make more money or sell stuff whatever just depends how bad you want that
anyways i think 5 pages of people helping you is way more than needed
so now its up to

nexus · 15 October 2018, 06:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by amiga2000

I bought a big collection in 2006-2008. I sold until 2011, because I counted on drop in prices, because of the crisis (2008). I considered the price advance as a transitional "bubble". I would be able to make a fresh start, if I would sell my collection now.

you fucked up now you are paying the price now i dont feel sorry at all for your situation
wish i seen that quote prior
you were playing the market and lost dont be a sore loser
hope you dont play the stock market might not have a way to keep warm next

project23 · 15 October 2018, 11:50

I said I wouldn't respond to him, and I wont - this is for informational purposes only...

Quote:

Originally Posted by amiga2000 IN FEB 2016

I need a faultless ACA500, max. 75 € + shipping... ...The new 2015 price 90 €. The real used price max. 75 €. A used product may not be more expensive, than the new one.
The ebay.de 2015. dec. 130-190 € unreal.

Quote:

IN FEB 2016

And then there's this gem:

Quote:

Originally Posted by amiga2000 IN MAY 2016

New ACA500 with new acrylic glass enclosure.
100% OK with my A500+ 2 MB chipRAM. Whdload programs OK.
250 Euro + 16 Euro shipping cost to Europe, 18 Euro to USA, priority registered letter. Paypal gift only... ...Sold for 280 €.

Quote:

Sold for 280 €... IN MAY 2016

This man is a confusing, walking contradiction and hypocrite who cares only for himself and his value for money/profit.

Like the poster above i've lost all sympathy for him.

Oh and then there's this gem in which an ACA1233 sold for 190EUR in 2017, whilst THIS 'kind soul' from Portugal sold the same thing for 130EUR in 2015. Shouldn't prices go 'down' with time?

This guy is the kind of 'dealer' he's complaining about.

John

15 October 2018, 05:18	#98
nexus Registered User Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: USA Posts: 728	you have a computer and internet get a job online mine cryptocoins become a youtuber start scrapping we all find ways to pay for our toys if not then we just dont have them simple as that americas min wage is $7.25 a hr that wouldnt even pay my electric bill cost way more to cool my house than it does to heat yours and i still have to shell out tons to redo hurricane damage and redo my insulation roof and heatpump life is a bitch we all have our money issues even more so when you have kids you must find other ways either make more money or sell stuff whatever just depends how bad you want that anyways i think 5 pages of people helping you is way more than needed so now its up to Last edited by nexus; 15 October 2018 at 05:32.

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14 October 2018, 21:59	#81
nexus Registered User Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: USA Posts: 728	wish my cats would start repairing my pile of A2000's only if they had opposable thumbs though they are good at opening doors haha they just rather sleep on the pile of electronics all day but i guess its ok they are old and retired now lol

14 October 2018, 22:27	#82
project23 Used Register Join Date: Jul 2018 Location: Liverpool Age: 41 Posts: 437	I don't understand this kid at all. What is he here for? I mean why does anybody need an 060 Amiga so desperately in 2018. Like you keep saying, its still slow. What do you use the Amiga for? For me it is to learn about computers, electronics, retro gaming, and of course nostalgia. For that, a minimal accelerator is fine - even just fastram and IDE would make a huge difference. 300 euros is a lot of money, especially for somebody on minimum wage, but why do you need an 060 so badly? 100 euros for a wicher or a furia is much more reasonable for a machine with the above uses, surely? As patronising as this may sound I truly sympathise with the differences in GDP and minimum wage etc between different parts of the world. Of course i do. But it is the way it is, and it isn't EAB's fault. Nor can EAB do anything to help with it either. A user on EAB cannot generously sell you such an expensive item for a low cost unless they are rich enough to do so, because the cost of living is higher elsewhere too. Your best bet is to find the item you want locally, at prices that make sense to you and your seller locally. This may prove impossible for rare or highly sought after items, but none of us can do anything about that for you. This may be the beer in me speaking, but I wish i could, Decide what the Amiga scene is for you, and what you want out of it. Make it work within your own set of limits. There are people everywhere, globally, in positions like you who cannot buy what they want because they are in heavy debt, or have too many commitments, or a family to raise on one income, and a plethora of other reasons that have nothing to do with minimum wage. I bought a Furia because it was in my budget. I found a local A500 for a cheap price (20 euro, not stupid ebay prices), learned about the TF530 and spent time and money well within my budget to make that my focus. There's more to the Amiga than mere speed. John EDIT: Oh, and we're not 'rich'. At least if we are then i've been left off some bloody list and I want my money dammit!!

14 October 2018, 22:50	#83
amiga2000 Banned Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Budapest Hungary Posts: 132	The Hungarian Amiga prices are equal to the German, etc. Amiga prices. From my low incomes I cannot pay the German, etc. prices. I bought the A1240 card, I use it, I wanted to upgrade to 1260, then I wanted to sell with profit. I wanted to use cheap components (68060, etc.), but I did not find it. The upgrade is meaningless without cheap components. I cannot sell it without upgrade with profit.

15 October 2018, 01:05	#86
amiga2000 Banned Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Budapest Hungary Posts: 132	This not super cheap: https://www.ebay.de/itm/Amiga-1200-m...-/183474712320

15 October 2018, 01:14	#87
grelbfarlk Registered User Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: USA Posts: 2,933	He's not complaining that he can't get an 060 to enjoy his Amiga, he's complaining that he can't buy cheap parts and sell them for great profit. He also thinks that dealers are somehow successfully buying cheap parts and making a fortune off of them. Whenever you see Kipper driving around his Bugatti Veyron or DamienD talking about how he hates the upholstery in his private jet think of poor (in sympathy not money) amiga2000. Let's not forget Stachu's Castle, why I heard he upgraded his murder-holes to drop flaming hot rev5 060s on invaders, that's how many he has stockpiled. If you want to make money, don't do it on Amiga, how about the Internet, get some of that Internet money. Or bees, there's a lot of money in bees.

15 October 2018, 01:44	#93
amiga2000 Banned Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Budapest Hungary Posts: 132	This my topic, answer my message 91.

15 October 2018, 02:18	#95
amiga2000 Banned Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Budapest Hungary Posts: 132	Why ebay.co.uk only? Look whole Europe all ebay site! Italy, France, Austria, Germany, Spain, etc.. Ebay.de cheaper. The A1200+B1230 auction = sold! Not active! I force nobody to my topic onto writing. I am a pensioner, I live alone, my income less, than 91000 HUF (280 €=245 GBP). I do not can to heat this winter already, because of my low incomes. I look for the opportunities increasing my income. This forum is meaningless if nobody helps me. The many retro users tolerate high profits of many dealers, but I get my share of nothing. I need min. 60000 HUF = 200 € clear profit/month.

15 October 2018, 02:38	#96
project23 Used Register Join Date: Jul 2018 Location: Liverpool Age: 41 Posts: 437	You have not answered my question. Again, you have my sympathies. But from what I can see it isn't access to the hobby you want, it's access to the highest grade of hardware (an 060) - that a lot of people in the UK and the rest of Europe can't afford either. The pension in the UK is currently around £740 a month. (I believe?) Now take a look at this page. Pensioners in my country face similar issues of not being able to afford heating in the winter. It's a really big problem with a lot of unnecessary hospitalisations and even deaths as a result. Austerity has effected the whole of Europe. I'm not saying life for you here right now would be the same as life there. Clearly there are examples (such as basic heating) that are ridiculously expensive on your pension, compared to ours. But other standards of living are 100-300% the price of those in Hungary. The point being, the situation is far from simple. And as I say, you still haven't told us what you want us to do. It seems you just want to complain about the situation. And i get it. Things suck. But it certainly doesn't justify the attitude, and as for the demands - I just don't understand how you think that would be successful? Anyway i've already broken my rule, haha... No more responses from me, sorry. Good luck. The Amiga scene is accessible to you whether you want to admit it or not. Perhaps not the 060 end, but the 030 end - the hobbyist end - definitely. Like I say, good luck, and take care - i really do mean that. And please, stop posting these silly complaints and demands - there is nothing we as a community can change for you. I'm sorry. John

15 October 2018, 04:15	#97
amiga2000 Banned Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Budapest Hungary Posts: 132	740 GBP= 273000 HUF = 840 €! This is near UK minimal wage! I am not sorry for the Englishs.

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