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According to at least one developer, 3.1.4 is now deprecated and 3.2 will be a separate purchase, even for those who have bought 3.1.4. Therefore you can consider it to be a 'new' product. And as mentioned previously, 3.2 is in it's early stages, having only just had its feature list finalised.
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Create a separate company. Cloanto and Hyperion transfer the rights of OS 3.x to it. Then the NEW company controls OS3.x and can create new licenses for those that want it. That way, neither Hyperion nor Cloanto control the OS. New ownership and licenses will clear up any existing ambiguities. Nobody has to "pull the rug" on OS 3.2, on the contrary, 3.2 can continue exactly as planned. It just won't be dubiously 'owned' by Hyperion or Cloanto. Again, Cloanto will not own the OS, neither will Hyperion. Is this so hard to understand? |
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An interesting way to spin it like it's a negative thing. Every version of AmigaOS has been a separate purchase, even though they have been based on the same source tree.
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I don't doubt that an OS from 3 decades ago, written in ASM (I presume it was?) would run well even on 7 MHz A500. But just how slow is AROS on something like -say- 33 MHz 040 ? Does somebody have some links to YT so we can make informed opinion? |
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I'm not quite why you think there were any negative connotations in my post. I clearly stated that 3.2 is a new product and you will have to pay for it. But it is essentially only going to be a selection of but fixes and small tweaks. Hyperion do seem intent on charging for small, incremental updates. I wonder how many 'free' updates 3.2 will get before you have to pay for 3.3
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It seems totally logical to me that development costs time which costs money. In 2020 the fact that we are getting Amiga development is a blessing and certainly something we should be happy to pay for if it is a priority to us and we have the means to do so. It is to me, and I do. So I for one would be more than happy to pay for a 3.2 upgrade today regardless of the feature set... it will be better than before. I'm just so eager for it, its hard for me to wait. I wish we could have incremental little updates every week!! |
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Apparently, you have not read very much about this topic. The Hyperion 3.1 "Fork" developers work absolutely for FREE! Otherwise, there would be no 3.1.4 or 3.2 Forks available - period. Do you really think Hyperion would be willing/able to pay normal developers fees and lawyer fees just to make them available for you? |
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07 August 2020, 09:22 | #951 |
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@IanS & @SpeedGeek : All of this was already debated and Thomas position was/is : https://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p...1&postcount=84
& https://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p...9&postcount=80 |
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If the development team are happy they are safe from any possible furure legal proceedings, that's their choice, but broadly speaking, claiming ignorance is no defence in either civil or criminal cases. |
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10 August 2020, 18:23 | #953 |
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T.R.'s position has the merit of being clear: Hyperion has proof of legitimacy concerning the further development of the OS based on material they own the copyright.
If Cloanto disagrees, it is up to Cloanto to prove their rights or to settle with Hyperion and it's not to the development team to judge Cloanto's affirmations. As far as you are concerned I don't see you bringing any evidence with your posts. But, if I understand you correctly, you continue to claim that Hyperion and the development team is in the wrong side of the law ... |
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I don't like being called a liar, So, please, either show me where I lied, or recant your statement. |
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Certain selected new features have been previewed, but those make up only a small proportion of the changes. It is indeed a major upgrade from 3.1x.
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You certainly don't understand me correctly. Firstly, my opinion (or yours for that matter) of who is in the right or wrong is irrelevant, the simple point is, nobody is sure of who has what rights to do what. It has not yet been legally decided. If it were as clear cut as you seem to think, there would be no need for prolonged legal battles. I thought I had made that quite clear, but if not, you've just read it again... so it should be quite clear by now. My personal opinion is that *anybody* making changes to the OS 3.x source code at this time, never mind selling such a product, is treading on very shaky ground. As I said before, ignorance of the law is no defence, neither is ignoring one side of the (very public) arguments over who has what rights to it, when clearly it isn't obvious. And please explain, from a purely legal point of view, why the development team are not responsible for their choice, when they know full well that the matter is in dispute, and has been for a long time? Why would you think I should provide any new evidence? Evidence to support what claim? The claim of there's an ongoing legal battle where the parties disagree over the rights to Amiga OS ownership and licencing? That's a matter of public record, and therefore requires no new evidence. Clearly you aren't keeping up with events. I am however as entitled as you are to an opinion. And if you hadn't noticed, the matter is already in dispute... so what exactly was your point? |
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If someone decided to begin a years-long legal battle with Microsoft, for example, it would not mean that Microsoft would have to stop updating Windows for years until it was resolved. So I don't see any reason why AmigaOS should be any different in this regard.
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@IanS: 3.2 will be a major update to 3.1.4. Depending on individuals‘ perception, it may be regarded a bigger step than 3.1.4 compared to 3.1.
Please also study the release notes of 3.1.4; it may remedy your impression that 3.1.4 has been a collection of patches and fixes either. |
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Do I need to repeat the post you made and I quoted? You don't know about AmigaOS 3.2, yet you made assumptions and portrayed them as truth: that is your lie. |
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