Commodore Amiga 600 - Page 3

coze · 24 January 2009, 14:05

well yes expansions exist but there very rare and poorly available (if at all) and SCSI/EtherNet/RAM, you can't have all together, you have to pick one, though with an A500, things are different.

alexh · 24 January 2009, 15:51

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Originally Posted by coze

well yes expansions exist but there very rare and poorly available (if at all)

They are not rare. Squirrel SCSI cards were available everywhere. IDE 2.5" hard drives were and still are easily available. PCMCIA RAM was a bit expensive but still widely available in the day.

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and SCSI/EtherNet/RAM, you can't have all together

True but the only two you need are IDE and RAM which you CAN have together.

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Originally Posted by coze

though with an A500, things are different.

Yeah, no ethernet at all and 5x the price for HD!

coze · 24 January 2009, 16:34

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Originally Posted by alexh

They are not rare. Squirrel SCSI cards were available everywhere. IDE 2.5" hard drives were and still are easily available. PCMCIA RAM was a bit expensive but still widely available in the day.

PCMCIA RAM is nearly as expensive as A500 side cars (which give you both SCSI and RAM) squirrel is a totally useless device. with that you're stuck to 2 mb chip RAM. (even with LordV RAM board, which uses PCMCIA space. which is not available anyway)

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Originally Posted by alexh

True but the only two you need are IDE and RAM which you CAN have together.

No, you need ethernet and RAM together, but you can't.

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Originally Posted by alexh

Yeah, no ethernet at all and 5x the price for HD!

Well there is subway, and 68k socket IDE adapters. And some people are working for GVP expansion port ethernet, which should be cheap (cheaper than X-Surf I hope)

alexh · 24 January 2009, 17:09

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Originally Posted by coze

PCMCIA RAM is nearly as expensive as A500 side cars (which give you both SCSI and RAM)

Maybe today but back then it was cheaper. And I still reckon today you can get a 2MB PCMCIA RAM for less than an A590 or GVP.

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Originally Posted by coze

squirrel is a totally useless device. with that you're stuck to 2 mb chip RAM. (even with LordV RAM board, which uses PCMCIA space. which is not available anyway)

While not really anything to do with this topic, the LordV RAM board can be configured to 5.5MB and still work with any PCMCIA card.

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Originally Posted by coze

Well there is subway

Which never existed back then and works just as well in A600 as an A500.

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Originally Posted by coze

and 68k socket IDE adapters

Again, never existed back then and something you don't need if you have an A600.

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Originally Posted by coze

And some people are working for GVP expansion port ethernet, which should be cheap (cheaper than X-Surf I hope)

Again it didn't exist back then and still doesn't.

pubzombie · 24 January 2009, 18:04

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Originally Posted by jimbob005

if the a600 had aga or just a mini a1200 i would of had one but i just went to the 1200 after the 500 i was only 12 in 1992 but now i have an a600 and it lovely but i have hacked it a bit

james

Hey it was this chap who did the 1200/600 conversion. My mates did not believe me so i bet them a pint - had a good drink the other night off the back of Jame's work. Thanks James.
I'm not worthy

Paul_s · 24 January 2009, 22:57

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Originally Posted by alexh

No it wasnt! The A500+ (especially with a sidecar HD) was HUGE. Too big to take round to a mates house on your bike in your rucksack!

What addons would you want? Erm... a HD? The internal 2.5" IDE made it insanely cheap to add a HD compared to an A590 or GVP. Coupled with PCMCIA slot for FastRAM and later ethernet made the A600 a much better choice.

Absolutely no big loss. We once tried to make a list of Amiga games which needed the Keypad and were worth playing... there was no entries. All that said they should have implemented a hardware key-modifier, a key that when held down made other keys function as the keypad (like modern laptops).

oh no

Both machines had good and bad points - I wouldn't say no to either... although I am a closet A500 fan so I am slightly biased

JACK98 · 25 January 2009, 03:18

years later when i played F1gp on the A1200 that i F1gp had an intro *wasn't enough ram on A600 for intro.

Amiga1992 · 25 January 2009, 20:20

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Originally Posted by alexh

You sure?

Yes, I remember this too, it was some modifier keys and the normal number keys.

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Originally Posted by JACK98

when i played F1gp on the A1200 that i F1gp had an intro *wasnt enough ram on A600 for intro

I *never* seen an intro! :O I got to check this game again!

All the A600 bashing in this thread always resorts to the same lame poor arguments. I am glad Alex is here to team up and debunk

Everybody is like "A600 was shit A1200 was better", and as we all said, many times, timing was bad on Commodore's side, but if it wasn't for the fact that the A1200 was almost immediately available after the A600 launch, the A600 would have looked much better.

Expansions on the A500? getoutta'ere!

Retro-Nerd · 25 January 2009, 20:31

The A500+ and A600 were obsolete machines, right from the beginning. There was no urge to switch from an A500 to an A500+/A600. And after the A1200 was out nobody needed an A600.

It was/is a niche product, and today an attractive "pimping machine" for the hardwarks freaks. No more, no less.

The only consistent step would have been the A600HD named as the A300, with a price of 200£ for the stock computer.

JACK98 · 25 January 2009, 20:42

yup there was an intro to F1GP if you ran it on 2mb machines.it was kinda spoof of bbc's formula one.the music and the build up in the intro.

macce2 · 25 January 2009, 22:10

well.. not very much potential, actually..
although, the pcmcia port is cool

Amiga1992 · 25 January 2009, 23:14

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Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd

The A500+ and A600 were obsolete machines, right from the beginning. There was no urge to switch from an A500 to an A500+/A600.

ECS chipset, 1MB of Chip RAM defacto, IDE port, PCMCIA port. Workbench 2+...
That's alot of reasons to upgrade from an A500 to an A600 without going for a big box Amiga... only if it were released earlier...

You keep mentioning the a1200

Retro-Nerd · 25 January 2009, 23:27

For which software exactly? All stuff was made for A500 OCS at that time. You could get an A500 KS 2.X ugrade for a few bucks, the most users already had a memory expansion.

I don't consider an A1200 as a big box Amiga. These were the A2000, 3000, 4000 machines.

FOL · 25 January 2009, 23:31

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Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd

For which software exactly? All stuff was made for A500 OCS machines.

There were compatability problems, but a few months to a year later, came Relokick 1.3 on a cover disk. I was so excited, I could then play the games that failed with 2.05,

.

Seems the A600 is very popular, I love it, but im bias as I love all amiga models,

.

alexh · 25 January 2009, 23:32

I think there was one or two games which had effects tailored for ECS but they were so subtle that you'd never notice.

Demo's on the other hand... that's another story.

Retro-Nerd · 25 January 2009, 23:43

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Originally Posted by FOL

There were compatability problems, but a few months to a year later, came Relokick 1.3 on a cover disk. I was so excited, I could then play the games that failed with 2.05,

I didn't meant the compatibility. How many ECS only games/apps were released in 1992? Wasn't it more like an UK only thing? Like the ZX-Spectrum? I still wonder..

FOL · 26 January 2009, 00:33

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Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd

I didn't meant the compatibility. How many ECS only games/apps were released in 1992? Wasn't it more like an UK only thing? Like the ZX-Spectrum? I still wonder..

lol, "a uk thing". Whats that supposed to mean.

Speccy was the first computer I had seen, I was 4 and I remember playing Horace goes skiing, good times. Cant understand why it never caught on anywhere else.

Thinking about it, the Full ECS chipset wasnt around all that long for games to be made specifically for it. Meaning the AGA chipset came very quickly.

JACK98 · 26 January 2009, 00:34

crossdos wasn't in wb 2.05 right?

Retro-Nerd · 26 January 2009, 00:37

Well, the Amiga 600 was the first Amiga produced in the UK (Scotland), right? I would assume it was extremly advertised there.

FOL · 26 January 2009, 00:43

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Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd

Well, the Amiga 600 was the first Amiga produced in the UK (Scotland), right? I would assume it was extremly advertised there.

Not really, I never seen a Commodore Amiga advert ever, until the CD32 pre-release hype.
Obviously that seems to be Commodore's downfall, they were crap at marketing.

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Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,453	For which software exactly? All stuff was made for A500 OCS at that time. You could get an A500 KS 2.X ugrade for a few bucks, the most users already had a memory expansion. I don't consider an A1200 as a big box Amiga. These were the A2000, 3000, 4000 machines. Last edited by Retro-Nerd; 25 January 2009 at 23:53.

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24 January 2009, 14:05	#41
coze hastala vista winny vista Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: mt fuji Age: 46 Posts: 1,335	well yes expansions exist but there very rare and poorly available (if at all) and SCSI/EtherNet/RAM, you can't have all together, you have to pick one, though with an A500, things are different.

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Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,453	The A500+ and A600 were obsolete machines, right from the beginning. There was no urge to switch from an A500 to an A500+/A600. And after the A1200 was out nobody needed an A600. It was/is a niche product, and today an attractive "pimping machine" for the hardwarks freaks. No more, no less. The only consistent step would have been the A600HD named as the A300, with a price of 200£ for the stock computer.

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Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,453	Well, the Amiga 600 was the first Amiga produced in the UK (Scotland), right? I would assume it was extremly advertised there.

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