Some games don't have icons - Page 3

killergorilla · 07 January 2008, 03:11

I just think he's being a weirdo

Heula · 07 January 2008, 07:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by killergorilla

This is weird, the problem seems to be occuring for quite a few people, I've never personally had a problem in winuae or me real amiga, both with ClassicWB.

If we can get everybody to list their versions then maybe we can solve this problem?

Good idea.
What do you need to know?

McDuck · 07 January 2008, 10:38

no what i am trying to say is there is no game icon by unreal like in your picture. and by ghoulsnghost there is nothing until i press show all files but then i can see the game files but not the game icon like on your screens. the same problem is with ClassicWB. the icons are missing.

i am using latest winuae beta and the classicwb packs v21F and your newest packs of whdload

i just tried winuae 1.4.3 and they are there. its a problem with the winuae beta

Bloodwych · 07 January 2008, 11:30

McDuck has just reported this is an issue with WinUAE beta versions:

http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?p=384912

Are you using a newer WinUAE than the v1.2 provided with the UAE version? The reason I provide the older v1.2 is that I have thoroughly tested it for ClassicWB compatibility.

Bloodwych · 07 January 2008, 11:35

KillerGorilla, sorry for hi-jacking your thread with the missing icons issue. If a mod wants to merge this with another thread then feel free.

McDuck, thanks for your input. I thought it may be WinUAE specific as I haven't changed any of the icon libs or Scalos files. Plus it works fine on my computer, but I'm using the older v1.2 (because I only like to use versions I've tested thoroughly myself for ClassicWB development).

Heula · 07 January 2008, 11:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bloodwych

McDuck has just reported this is an issue with WinUAE beta versions:

http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?p=384912

Are you using a newer WinUAE than the v1.2 provided with the UAE version? The reason I provide the older v1.2 is that I have thoroughly tested it for ClassicWB compatibility.

Yes that was the problem. Installed WinUAE1420a and now everything is visible again.

Bloodwych · 07 January 2008, 11:54

Phew, that's good to hear!

I don't like problems I can't reproduce!

You might want to try the new ClassicWB packs I updated yesterday with built in WHDLoad launcher support. It automatically makes a sorted list of installed whdload games so you just have to double click its name in order to launch it. Funny thing is, using this launcher you won't see the icons!

Ask if you need help on how to use this feature.

turrican3 · 07 January 2008, 11:58

thanks, bloodwych
classicwb is really great, why this system disappear, i will never understand it !

Heula · 07 January 2008, 12:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bloodwych

Phew, that's good to hear!

I don't like problems I can't reproduce!

You might want to try the new ClassicWB packs I updated yesterday with built in WHDLoad launcher support. It automatically makes a sorted list of installed whdload games so you just have to double click its name in order to launch it. Funny thing is, using this launcher you won't see the icons!

Ask if you need help on how to use this feature.

I'll try everything these days.

Where can I get these packs?

Toni Wilen · 07 January 2008, 12:05

I am 99.9% sure it is software conflict and not an emulation problem. Recent WinUAE versions allocate filesystem emulation buffers differently and this can break some buggy software.

Not the first time Amiga-side emulation code change have broken bad programs..

Bloodwych · 07 January 2008, 12:13

Well Scalos isn't exactly an official program and it definately has bugs - but it works on real Amiga's and this is the first time I've had a reported issue with WinUAE. Every version I've extensively tested has always worked great but as I said above I haven't tried the newer versions. If I helped a little in the beta testing of new versions perhaps the issue wouldn't have surfaced!

The packs in their default state run next-to-no patches other than Scalos and are quite "clean" compared to most systems - but obviously it's doing something different to standard Workbench that's conflicting under emulation.

Bloodwych · 07 January 2008, 12:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heula

I'll try everything these days.

Where can I get these packs?

They're on the main site - it's been updated last night:

http://classicwb.abime.net/

Marcuz · 07 January 2008, 13:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by killergorilla

ClassicWB FULL and anything with standard resolutions seems to work fine.

erm... no, i have problems with full, i only used that all the time... sorry for the OT
Bloodwych, the icons reappear when turning off scalos, maybe winuae don't handles scalos perfectly?

killergorilla · 07 January 2008, 13:21

Ah so it's a winuae problem!

I never use the beta versions as I once had a bad experience with them so that'll be why I've never seen it happen!

Bloodwych · 07 January 2008, 13:35

Just to update people in this thread that had the Scalos/Icon issue, we've tracked it down to newer versions of WinUAE (Toni posts too):

http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=34009

DamienD · 07 January 2008, 15:11

All recent "icon" issue posts have been moved here from the following threads:

... KGWHD - January 2008 Update discussion...
... KGWHD - KG's WHDLoad Requests - Sept/Oct/Nov/Dec 2007

killergorilla · 07 January 2008, 15:18

Nice one mate

Toni Wilen · 07 January 2008, 15:50

Found it.. It is caused by Scalos bug in ACTION_EXAMINE_ALL

<snip from old private beta discussion>

> Scales is buggy, it calls ExAll again even if previous call returned
> ERROR_NO_MORE_ENTRIES. (this should not be done and returns error
> ERROR_OBJECT_WRONG_TYPE)

</snip>

This also makes Scalos incompatible with SFS (FFS does return ERROR_NO_MORE_ENTRIES but calling ExAll() again is a bug and results in undefined behaviour so this won't be changed)

ADD:

And it is fixed in 41.6 (Bugfix: EXALL packet was issued once more after ERROR_NO_MORE_ENTRIES had been returned.)

Bloodwych · 07 January 2008, 17:14

Thanks for the feedback Toni.

The problem is the latest Scalos releases are not very kind to low end classic Amiga's and caused me more problems than they fixed!

At least the cause of the issue has been identified. Since these packs are aimed at real Amiga's, I don't know if I'll get around to changing them to a newer Scalos.

I've ran the ClassicWB packs on my A1200 with SFS for years and not had any problems. I'll see what I can do for the next releases, but Scalos is definitely staying in the packs. The LITE obviously uses Workbench only.

The new pack I'm working on will use OS3.9 and no Scalos.

killergorilla · 07 January 2008, 17:18

I just tested with 1.4.4 and 1.4.5 and indeed the icons are missing.

Looks like I'll be sticking with 1.4.3 from now on

07 January 2008, 10:38	#43
McDuck Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Germany Posts: 19	no what i am trying to say is there is no game icon by unreal like in your picture. and by ghoulsnghost there is nothing until i press show all files but then i can see the game files but not the game icon like on your screens. the same problem is with ClassicWB. the icons are missing. i am using latest winuae beta and the classicwb packs v21F and your newest packs of whdload i just tried winuae 1.4.3 and they are there. its a problem with the winuae beta Attached Thumbnails Last edited by McDuck; 07 January 2008 at 10:44.

07 January 2008, 11:30	#44
Bloodwych Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: I'm behind you! Posts: 3,763	McDuck has just reported this is an issue with WinUAE beta versions: http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?p=384912 Are you using a newer WinUAE than the v1.2 provided with the UAE version? The reason I provide the older v1.2 is that I have thoroughly tested it for ClassicWB compatibility. Last edited by Bloodwych; 07 January 2008 at 11:38.

07 January 2008, 12:13	#51
Bloodwych Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: I'm behind you! Posts: 3,763	Well Scalos isn't exactly an official program and it definately has bugs - but it works on real Amiga's and this is the first time I've had a reported issue with WinUAE. Every version I've extensively tested has always worked great but as I said above I haven't tried the newer versions. If I helped a little in the beta testing of new versions perhaps the issue wouldn't have surfaced! The packs in their default state run next-to-no patches other than Scalos and are quite "clean" compared to most systems - but obviously it's doing something different to standard Workbench that's conflicting under emulation. Last edited by Bloodwych; 07 January 2008 at 12:19.

07 January 2008, 15:50	#58
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,548	Found it.. It is caused by Scalos bug in ACTION_EXAMINE_ALL <snip from old private beta discussion> > Scales is buggy, it calls ExAll again even if previous call returned > ERROR_NO_MORE_ENTRIES. (this should not be done and returns error > ERROR_OBJECT_WRONG_TYPE) </snip> This also makes Scalos incompatible with SFS (FFS does return ERROR_NO_MORE_ENTRIES but calling ExAll() again is a bug and results in undefined behaviour so this won't be changed) ADD: And it is fixed in 41.6 (Bugfix: EXALL packet was issued once more after ERROR_NO_MORE_ENTRIES had been returned.) Last edited by Toni Wilen; 07 January 2008 at 16:12.

07 January 2008, 17:14	#59
Bloodwych Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: I'm behind you! Posts: 3,763	Thanks for the feedback Toni. The problem is the latest Scalos releases are not very kind to low end classic Amiga's and caused me more problems than they fixed! At least the cause of the issue has been identified. Since these packs are aimed at real Amiga's, I don't know if I'll get around to changing them to a newer Scalos. I've ran the ClassicWB packs on my A1200 with SFS for years and not had any problems. I'll see what I can do for the next releases, but Scalos is definitely staying in the packs. The LITE obviously uses Workbench only. The new pack I'm working on will use OS3.9 and no Scalos. Last edited by Bloodwych; 07 January 2008 at 17:27.

07 January 2008, 03:11	#41
killergorilla Lesser Talent Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Age: 42 Posts: 7,957	I just think he's being a weirdo

07 January 2008, 11:35	#45
Bloodwych Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: I'm behind you! Posts: 3,763	KillerGorilla, sorry for hi-jacking your thread with the missing icons issue. If a mod wants to merge this with another thread then feel free. McDuck, thanks for your input. I thought it may be WinUAE specific as I haven't changed any of the icon libs or Scalos files. Plus it works fine on my computer, but I'm using the older v1.2 (because I only like to use versions I've tested thoroughly myself for ClassicWB development).

07 January 2008, 11:54	#47
Bloodwych Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: I'm behind you! Posts: 3,763	Phew, that's good to hear! I don't like problems I can't reproduce! You might want to try the new ClassicWB packs I updated yesterday with built in WHDLoad launcher support. It automatically makes a sorted list of installed whdload games so you just have to double click its name in order to launch it. Funny thing is, using this launcher you won't see the icons! Ask if you need help on how to use this feature.

07 January 2008, 11:58	#48
turrican3 Moon 1969 = amiga 1985 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: belgium Age: 48 Posts: 3,913	thanks, bloodwych classicwb is really great, why this system disappear, i will never understand it !

07 January 2008, 12:05	#50
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,548	I am 99.9% sure it is software conflict and not an emulation problem. Recent WinUAE versions allocate filesystem emulation buffers differently and this can break some buggy software. Not the first time Amiga-side emulation code change have broken bad programs..

07 January 2008, 13:21	#54
killergorilla Lesser Talent Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Age: 42 Posts: 7,957	Ah so it's a winuae problem! I never use the beta versions as I once had a bad experience with them so that'll be why I've never seen it happen!

07 January 2008, 13:35	#55
Bloodwych Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: I'm behind you! Posts: 3,763	Just to update people in this thread that had the Scalos/Icon issue, we've tracked it down to newer versions of WinUAE (Toni posts too): http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=34009

07 January 2008, 15:11	#56
DamienD Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London / Sydney Age: 47 Posts: 20,420	All recent "icon" issue posts have been moved here from the following threads: ... KGWHD - January 2008 Update discussion... ... KGWHD - KG's WHDLoad Requests - Sept/Oct/Nov/Dec 2007

07 January 2008, 15:18	#57
killergorilla Lesser Talent Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Age: 42 Posts: 7,957	Nice one mate

07 January 2008, 17:18	#60
killergorilla Lesser Talent Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Age: 42 Posts: 7,957	I just tested with 1.4.4 and 1.4.5 and indeed the icons are missing. Looks like I'll be sticking with 1.4.3 from now on

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