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Jens, thanks for your efforts, but proprietary software is not helpful, especially for a hobbyist platform. Can we just crowdfund-purchase the whole of P96 back from you, to be *entirely* released as GPL? I offer the first USD $10,000.
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$10,000 !?!? Hey that gives me an idea, how much would PeterK want for icon.library?
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Maybe one thing at a time. And to be clear, I said the _first_ $10,000. I assume the cost of acquisition was more than that; we'd need more money in the pot. I'm just offering the first money to get things started.
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I doubt very much that the sum was much higher than thousand euros. After all Hyperion are part of the deal and notorious for being bankrupt. And I never considered Jens Schönfeld to be a person willing to spend more than necessary and justified by the expected return on investment.
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If that's the case, I'm happy to pay the costs back out, plus a fair margin for expected registrations or whatever the business model was supposed to be. The open MNT VA2000 should have an open Picasso96.
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you are constantly proposing aros solutions in your posts. i wonder why do you lose your time going around complaining about amiga os, hyperion and other entities, who being closed by definition are not supposed to consider users requests above their own options. this is wasted talk. if you dont want to use and/or contribute to aros, which concepts you apparently prefer, then you have at least to accept that the decisions you question will be made behind the closed doors, and rightfully so. |
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> cd AmigaOS > build layers.library target=68020 > copy layers.library libs: The AmigaOS is modular so the build system should be modular, simple and preferably non-compiler specific following C standards. The Amiga has the potential to be a great development environment. I get bogged down and lose interest quickly with complex build systems and GCCisms which only work on newer versions of GCC. |
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for instance today i took my time an im trying to fix, and partly already did, vpdf port from morphos, which is in aros contribs. all i need to do is: make contrib-vpdf test my binary -> observe whats wrong edit the code make contrib-vpdf-clean (not prticularly necessary, but sometimes its better to go sure) make contrib-vpdf(-quick if you have all dependencies ready) ... Quote:
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as i say, i dont want to talk you into anything, but i wonder, why be so constantly bitter with a thing there is a replacement alternative for. i dont understand why people, who can actually code (in contrary to me) imagine it is so complicated to efficiently develop for amiga. imho its much more rewarding than arguing on foras, which you can do, waiting for something to complete |
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Aren't you folks bored with this kind of scenario yet?
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grond, really.. first of all, afaik, p96 wasnt developed by hyperion or their coders, it was warp3d that was (not initially i guess). neither have been the changes they might have done ported to 68k (so far). you are putting here together a pile of assumptions, probably as result of your distrust towards thor.
dont think we have any reason except some unfortunate forum discussions to believe such an evil of each other. by his posts, it doesnt seem, it is how gunnar thinks, and if he did, hes is beyond it. because it doesnt help to concentrate on complot theories. instead lets leave them alone and simply do our thing. |
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Actually I don't even consider what I wrote bad or evil in any way. It's the only explanation for the deal that makes sense to me.
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i do. thereofore i dont want to be concerned with os4 and hyperion as far as possible, and simply effectively do something amiga. they certainly wont see me paying any money, not even for open sourcing anything, most notably because the resulting license would be based on uncertain ground of an assumption, they had the rights in a first place.
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we dont know the details of the deal, nevertheless. so far it seems obvious, that it came to being, because money in amiga rtg sector, thanks to apollo, mntmn and other hardware designers are to be made out the sudden. i dont know, if i should think, this is wrong, if its legal. it does neither satisfy nor bother me too much, since i hardly have any use for p96 anymore. |
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Same here, P96 isn't as strategically important as some people seem to believe. If any talk of "legal grey areas" regarding some P96 drivers comes to an end, it's already a good thing. I'll never buy into this "Hyperion put some money into the deal" nonsense, though. There have been too many remarks about traces of Commodore sources in P96 by people in the know to ignore the fact that Hyperion has always been considered a crucial part of the deal by the people driving this whole P96 buyout thing despite the fact that Hyperion have officially zero interest in 68k. Put one and one together...
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just read on a1k what i skipped for another day. ly significant that thor twists his statements being asked by cloanto to correct them publicly and called on it by christoph.
maybe you are right and he has more in stack than he admits to. he was always particularly against opening anything up and i now think, the reasons he s up may be partly his actual world wiew, but partly excuses.. but, nuff bout that, back to gcc |
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