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Nothing stops a Hombre! Nothing!
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Hombre seems like Sega Saturn in 1993. David can be faulted for not remembering tech from 30 years ago. The video is a mash-up intended to attack his statements from various years.
I'm just a mod of the coder forums mostly, and therefore I tried to keep it tech. I'm 100% free speech, that way lies forum. But if the thread turns into personal attack I'm not on your side, and will likely get the support of the other moderators. And David's detractors will then be happy that "EAB is not giving him a platform"? I speak freely. I don't think anything that David has said is the reason that the Amiga didn't "beat other platforms". The Amiga was a great success long before Hombre or AAA was on the radar. We tend to forget. |
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The potential innovation for 100 Mhz PA-RISC-based OpenGL-capable Amiga is a low-cost non-walled garden hardware accelerated OpenGL-capable game console and low-cost A1200-like personal computer acting like its dev kit.
I'm okay with a low-cost hardware accelerated OpenGL-capable 100 Mhz PA-RISC-based Amiga 1200-like personal computer for the 1994-1997 time period. Retail 3D hardware from Sega Saturn, Sony Playstation, and Nintendo 64 are not open platforms i.e. walled garden. Running Windows NT on a PA-RISC-based Amiga 1200-like machine would be useful for education i.e. during my time in university, we have fleets of DEC Alpha-based Windows NT 4.0 along with Intel Pentium 166 to 200Mhz based Windows NT 4.0 machines (equipped with Premedia 2 or NVIDIA RIVA 128 (1997) OpenGL accelerators). Windows NT on a low-cost PA-RISC-based Amiga 1200-like machine would be attractive for education sectors. AmigaOS 3.x PA-RISC version wouldn't be accepted as a network public multiuser workstation OS. PA-RISC at 100 Mhz with 64-bit SIMD Max extension has superiority up to classic Pentium 200 Mhz. 1997-era Pentium MMX would have negated PA-RISC's 64-bit SIMD advantages. PA-RISC Max is 64 bit SIMD integer e.g. quad packed 16-bit integers on general-purpose registers. 1998-era AMD 3DNow has a 64-bit SIMD integer and floating point. Last edited by hammer; 25 June 2023 at 04:53. |
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But then you might think Commodore are in with a chance, but don’t forget the 3DO, it only looked outdated against the PSX and a full specced Saturn, and with multiple hardware backers it could well have sold tens of millions of units around the world. Commodore however, in my mind would still be fumbling around in the dark dragging the company down from the inside! Joking aside, their plan for a 1995 release of Hombre being console first still could have been too late had the 3DO taken off and did ‘a PSX’ in the two year head start it had. |
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Since we are Whatifing things. In a different timeline Apple acquired Commodore instead of NeXT and made a combined AAA and Hombre chipset the new Mac. They even replaced MacOS with AmigaOS. Instead of Jobs RJ Mical is the new Apple CEO.
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Got a source for that information?
Edit: Found it here https://filmstories.co.uk/features/h...iga-computers/ Interesting, first time I hear about it. |
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Commodore, had they survived, could have built on their success with the CD32 by putting Hombre (or something like it) in the next model. Another possibility might be an upgrade for the CD32 via the FMV slot. |
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But by the time PC's had SVGA graphics, it was obsolete. Windows would just optimise the on screen palette for the foreground application and that worked well enough for most use cases and avoided the limitations on where an application could place its windows.. And once 16-bit colour depths became viable, any need for different colour depth or pixel resolution was gone. Of course you could do it in a modern display, everything is just 3D textures so you could fake low res pixels for part of the display if you wanted, but there isn't a practical reason to do so. |
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The 3DO was the single biggest leap in games consoles, i’m not sure how anyone can say it wasn’t that great, in what regards does the hardware disappoint you? (ignoring the PSX and Saturn, this is 1993 btw). Commodore had plans for the CD64 (Hombre based) for late 1995, yet they also had plans for an upgraded CD32 in late 1994 with an 030/28 and 32k nvram, but still had the same slow 2mb chip ram. |
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It was really the (initial) price and to a lesser degree that some of the games/ports didn't use the hardware properly.
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I'll be honest here, they should've included some fastRAM and the FMV cartridge in all CD32s in the first place. That way it could really be competitive against the 4th generation consoles. I know prices would skyrocket with such expensive hardware, but I think it was the only way unless they wanted a completely new machine (Like Hombre)
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maybe he meant: "better than anything on the market today (for the amiga platform)"
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i didnt say he was running it i specifically said "stop giving this man a platform" and this is literally the person you mentioned Ravi Abbott giving them a platform and right after that whole fiasco. i specifically remember the person organizing saying that they were still welcome to show up because of course they have to lick that boot! it belongs to an ex-Commodore employee!
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Today the PS5 will do real-time ray tracing, we have achieved a holy grail moment with AMDs sterling patented hack that enables this to be affordable. As someone who bought a copy of Turbo Silver for my Amiga 2000 many decades ago and waiting hours for my ray traced scenes to appear it really is amazing how far even mediocre priced consoles can do, it's no longer the preserve of people with many many thousands invested in top end of what gaming PC at any price is capable of.
Maybe David is fixating on one thing the chipset would do that still isn't done today, and in fairness he does say his memory is terrible and he is not a technical person. |
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David Pleasance... once a salesman, always a salesman. Tells a good story and obviously did good stuff at Commodore. Cut him some slack I say.
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