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68Ks are used in military and aerospace applications. Talk to @stedy. Modern availability Is nothing to do with happiness. It’s about keeping aircraft flying. Happiness is far too subjective a measurement to start using in this sort of discussion.... it’s rhetoric that can’t be proven either way. EDIT: I suppose the passengers whose flights are on time are happy. But I don’t think they care about the ISA Last edited by plasmab; 15 October 2018 at 16:12. |
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I won't fly anything that isn't fully powered by a 68000, 6502/6510 or Z80 (68010+/65816/Z80000 do not count!). Entertainment system included. Combination of these three CPU's is also allowed as long as this means a CPS-1 or CPS-2 based arcade is included in the entertainment package...
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Is this thread still going?!? And with the same "quality" argumentation too.
The 68k is obviously the better ISA compared to x86, more registers, flexibility, address modes, and a lot more. But the x86 isn't a bad ISA even in the pre-386 form. Both 68k and x86 have architectural warts, bad extensions, quirks requiring extra hardware to execute fast and non-orthogonal parts. Aren't there more relevant things to argue? Like what parts of each architecture would be worth preserving in a theoretical new design or if it will rain this date next year? @roondar That is a bad argument. At least a few years ago one could buy 8086 compatible ROHS chips and I found a 8088 compatible sold now with a simple search. Most known old IC designs are available from specialized producers of legacy chips. |
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Anyway, you are missing the point of what I was trying to get across. The point was/is about how silly it is to argue about 'happiness' when talking about the relative success of a CPU because this is extremely subjective and thus not useful. I said this exact thing just a few posts up already |
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I haven’t seen very many non subjective arguments here. It’s all rhetoric.
I speak Scots Gaelic. It has fewer words, fewer letters, a more complex grammar than most languages (excl Finnish and Hungarian) and very few users (approx 30,000 worldwide). Is it better than English?.. I think so. But my arguments are all subjective. I could rant and make excuses about why it’s not more popular. Or I STFU and just use it. Argument sound familiar at all? |
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Merde! But oddly one of the songs i've sung to my little one since he was a baby has this line in it....
"'S a chuidich an Fhraing gu buaidh" Translate: Who helped the French to win. Still a little Jacobite in me i guess. |
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Now, it may just be me, but I consider that to be slightly more fact based than silly statements about people being 'happy' or not. Quote:
In either case, the ship about popularity has sailed ages ago - there is fairly little point in arguing that. |
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That does change things a bit - I'm pretty sure some people here would love a law enforcing the use of their favourite ISA |
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However the ISA of Gaelic will drive most normal people demented. There is massive redundancy in the ISA for the description of rain and sheep. |
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More recently "Galore" was borrowed. Honestly its like AMD and Intel adding their MMX and AMD64 extensions. EDIT: I'm derailing this thread for some comic relief. Feel free to prune. Last edited by plasmab; 15 October 2018 at 21:47. |
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In reality people tend to go with stuff they are 'happy' with and avoid things they aren't - even when it's 'technically' superior. Our economy and society as a whole is largely based on creating happiness, and products rarely become popular on technical specs alone. The IBM PC would have become an industry standard no matter what CPU it used, because "Nobody ever got fired for buying IBM". On technical specs the original PC sucked. What people were effectively buying was a brand name, trusting that IBM wouldn't produce a dud (if anyone else had marketed it the PC probably would have been a dud, just like other 8088 based machines of the time). IOW the IBM PC sold on 'happiness' rather than objective measurements. Even if 8086 could beat 68000 in some benchmark it wouldn't matter to me - because working with 68k makes me happier. Happiness is ultimately the most important parameter, even if it can't be measured with the precision of a code benchmark. |
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In some way happiness is already counted in (handwritten) code benchmarks. Coders spend the time to optimise their code to death, only on architectures they like...
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