Elite to get a sequel on PC via Kickstarter - Page 2

roy bates · 06 November 2012, 21:06

what does braben do know then? apart from this project.

you will have to forgive my ignorance here.

alenppc · 06 November 2012, 21:32

He's done quite a few "commercial" games. Lately he did a lot of stuff on the IPhone (Lost Winds, for example) which indicates that he's switched to the lower-cost and higher-margin mobile market, which is why a PC game is now generally beyond what his studio is used to doing... hence the funding request... a wrong move here could easily put him out of business. It's kinda sad that people and companies which were once the videogame giants have been relegated to doing downloadable games for PSN/XBox live/IPhone, I think.

diablothe2nd · 06 November 2012, 21:36

i blame the big corporations like microsoft. for example, just releasing a patch on xbox live costs the devs 40 grand!

publishers aren't exactly healthy to the industry either, hence the sudden influx of indies

Predseda · 06 November 2012, 21:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by alenppc

It's kinda sad that people and companies which were once the videogame giants have been relegated to doing downloadable games for PSN/XBox live/IPhone, I think.

...or insurance companies software (Graftgold)

roy bates · 06 November 2012, 21:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by alenppc

He's done quite a few "commercial" games. Lately he did a lot of stuff on the IPhone (Lost Winds, for example) which indicates that he's switched to the lower-cost and higher-margin mobile market, which is why a PC game is now generally beyond what his studio is used to doing... hence the funding request... a wrong move here could easily put him out of business. It's kinda sad that people and companies which were once the videogame giants have been relegated to doing downloadable games for PSN/XBox live/IPhone, I think.

does he have anything to do with the raspberry pi?

Amiga1992 · 06 November 2012, 21:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by alenppc

$2 million is not a lot at all for a modern game... it's just the basis to get started really.

But this game has already been in development for a while. It's partly made. So where are all these 2m going to? Loss made? Doens't feel like it's getting injected in something new.

Also I don't see the creativity behind making a sequel of a 20+ years old game.

I love Frontier/Elite, but let's be honest here.

Galahad/FLT · 06 November 2012, 22:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by diablothe2nd

video on BBC:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20187897

wonder if they'll reach their goal. it's pretty darn big!

anyone here planning on supporting it?

edit - here's the link to the kickstarter:

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/...lite-dangerous

This shows the sadness in modern development that such a big name product like this can't be developed via the usual routes because its not a FPS or a racing game, and therefore won't attract proper publisher support and interest.

Black Ops II for the win!

Ian · 07 November 2012, 13:52

Probably more due to his studio making nothing but shite for the last 10 years than lack of vision by publishers. And when he was backed he made a buggy price of shot that never came close to the original.

Adropac2 · 07 November 2012, 16:10

Hope this happens but I also hope Mr Braben realises that save states really shouldn't apply to single play. And I know Frontier and First Encounters has it's fanbase and are worthy games in a number of ways, but they we're overally fussy and complicated. In truth they weren't on the same page as the original. We've never seen a truly great Elite sequel and I wonder if DB is up to the task of realising the true potential of it

alexh · 07 November 2012, 16:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ian

Probably more due to his studio making nothing but shite for the last 10 years than lack of vision by publishers.

Sorry you felt that way but I really enjoyed Lost Winds 1 & 2 on the Wii.

Tiago · 07 November 2012, 18:39

Great news,
i don't care if his studio did or did not good games after elite series, the man has my respect.
The chance to have another Elite game makes me feel happy.

alexh · 07 November 2012, 22:47

But have you made a pledge? I have. I do worry that the genre is a bit dead. I do hope they expand the "missions" with good RPG elements.

alenppc · 07 November 2012, 23:06

I dislike online games though. I made a pledge even though I hope this one will have a nice single player mode like the old Elite & Frontier with a fictional universe. By the information provided it seems it will.

Hillsy_ · 12 November 2012, 02:25

One reason why I wouldn't back this project is because he doesn't think of the goal as a video game. We all know how much he loves astronomy. I just wish he would put effort into the content of the game and not make it about mapping every star system in the entire galaxy like in Frontier. Mr Braben, it is not about having 10,000,000,000,000 planets, but more about the quality within the game, the gameplay. The original Elite will always be a masterpiece for me, sadly I doubt we will ever see that again.

ElectroBlaster · 12 November 2012, 15:31

Tbh im sick of Shooters and FPS games! My son wants Black Ops II. I bet you its just the same as the other games he already has lol.

Its boring end of.

Its a sad state of affairs when people have to ask for money to make a game in this day and age.

lifeschool · 12 November 2012, 18:57

ah, thanks for posting guys, I only saw this thread today. Just took a look at the kickstarter with a view of giving something.

edit: the kickstarter is only up for 60days! with 53 still to do - they have raised half of the money already!

btw, Frontier has 100 billion stars out of the 400 billion in the actual milky way. The figure is 100,000,000,000,000 - which is a lot of zeros (all formed using a simple mathematical algorithm of course).

@ Electroblaster - yeah, those FPS all get to be very similar after a while. With Elite I actually learned some astronomy!

Angus · 23 December 2012, 13:50

£900,000 odd and 12 days to go - this could be close. I think I'm going to have to chip in my few quid.

Latest Youtube clip: [ Show youtube player ]

Djay · 23 December 2012, 22:25

changed my mind pledged £100 in stead of £40
so i get...
5. Digital code apply a transferable decal to your ship which is unique to you
10. Digital newsletter and prograss updates
15. Reserve your Commander name in game (1st come...)
20. Digital copy of the game
30. Same as 20, but not limited to 10000
32. Imperial Bounty Hunter: Have the option to start in an Imperial Colony with an Eagle Mk II Fighter with upgraded weapons and shields and 1000 CR
35. Download digital copy of the official sequel to "The Dark Wheel" novel
40. Your name forms part of the naming database (so your name will be one of those used randomly for non-player in-game characters)
42. Pirate: Have the option to start with a stolen but upgraded Cobra MkIII and only 100CR
45. Download a digital copy of the "Elite: Dangerous" music
50. Participate in the second round private beta test
55. Independent Trader: Have the option to start in the Lave system with a basic Cobra MkIII and only 100CR
60. Physical DRM-free boxed edition of "Elite: Dangerous"
70. Explorer: Have the option to start on the edge of explored space with a long range version of the Cobra MkIII and 3000 CR
75. Access to the private backer's discussion forum
80. Digital Download Pack. This includes a single digital download of the game and any expansions
85. Kickstarter special: Have the option to start in the founder's world with any starter ship and 4000 CR
90. Physical DRM-free collector's premium boxed edition of "Elite: Dangerous". (in place of standard edition), which includes T Shirt with "I backed Elite: Dangerous" on the back, and a paperback copy of the official sequel to "The Dark Wheel".
100. Participate in the first round private beta test
Be a founding member of ‘The Elite’ in the game

Edit:-
Finally stopped at £300, with Access to Alpha Test and Design Decision Forum

26 December 2012, 18:09

This one needs a well deserved bump me thinks

Adropac2 · 26 December 2012, 20:11

I think it's fair to say that this wont even need to reach the target anyway for it to be made because they've likely been working on and off for years on it. This money will help though obviously and hopefully show there is at least a reasonable demand

I hope DB has the good sense to allow a customizable save system outside the game itself, for those that view the save state system like any other game feature. It's all very well saying we don't have to use it, but it's there to use. Elite worked well for it's risk vs reward but there isn't truly any risk involved with states. People can't live without their save states and that's fine but it ruins the experience for some. A choice to disable their use BEFORE you enter your game file you start the game is all it would take and to not include it here for a game of this type is a bit insulting to be honest

There was nothing more thrilling than say getting back to dock having landed a lucky scooping of cargo, to then making it out of just a few more battles than you should have attempted. It literally felt like your life is at stake at times in the original Elite. Save states change this completely but this reasoning seems lost on devs and gamers even

12 November 2012, 18:57	#36
lifeschool Local Moderator Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Lancashire, UK Age: 48 Posts: 1,615	ah, thanks for posting guys, I only saw this thread today. Just took a look at the kickstarter with a view of giving something. edit: the kickstarter is only up for 60days! with 53 still to do - they have raised half of the money already! btw, Frontier has 100 billion stars out of the 400 billion in the actual milky way. The figure is 100,000,000,000,000 - which is a lot of zeros (all formed using a simple mathematical algorithm of course). @ Electroblaster - yeah, those FPS all get to be very similar after a while. With Elite I actually learned some astronomy! Last edited by lifeschool; 12 November 2012 at 19:10.

23 December 2012, 22:25	#38
Djay 95th User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Brighton/UK Age: 48 Posts: 3,120	changed my mind pledged £100 in stead of £40 so i get... 5. Digital code apply a transferable decal to your ship which is unique to you 10. Digital newsletter and prograss updates 15. Reserve your Commander name in game (1st come...) 20. Digital copy of the game 30. Same as 20, but not limited to 10000 32. Imperial Bounty Hunter: Have the option to start in an Imperial Colony with an Eagle Mk II Fighter with upgraded weapons and shields and 1000 CR 35. Download digital copy of the official sequel to "The Dark Wheel" novel 40. Your name forms part of the naming database (so your name will be one of those used randomly for non-player in-game characters) 42. Pirate: Have the option to start with a stolen but upgraded Cobra MkIII and only 100CR 45. Download a digital copy of the "Elite: Dangerous" music 50. Participate in the second round private beta test 55. Independent Trader: Have the option to start in the Lave system with a basic Cobra MkIII and only 100CR 60. Physical DRM-free boxed edition of "Elite: Dangerous" 70. Explorer: Have the option to start on the edge of explored space with a long range version of the Cobra MkIII and 3000 CR 75. Access to the private backer's discussion forum 80. Digital Download Pack. This includes a single digital download of the game and any expansions 85. Kickstarter special: Have the option to start in the founder's world with any starter ship and 4000 CR 90. Physical DRM-free collector's premium boxed edition of "Elite: Dangerous". (in place of standard edition), which includes T Shirt with "I backed Elite: Dangerous" on the back, and a paperback copy of the official sequel to "The Dark Wheel". 100. Participate in the first round private beta test Be a founding member of ‘The Elite’ in the game Edit:- Finally stopped at £300, with Access to Alpha Test and Design Decision Forum Attached Thumbnails Last edited by Djay; 01 February 2013 at 04:28.

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06 November 2012, 21:06	#21
roy bates Registered User Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: birmingham Age: 55 Posts: 2,827	what does braben do know then? apart from this project. you will have to forgive my ignorance here.

06 November 2012, 21:32	#22
alenppc Registered User Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Canada Age: 44 Posts: 910	He's done quite a few "commercial" games. Lately he did a lot of stuff on the IPhone (Lost Winds, for example) which indicates that he's switched to the lower-cost and higher-margin mobile market, which is why a PC game is now generally beyond what his studio is used to doing... hence the funding request... a wrong move here could easily put him out of business. It's kinda sad that people and companies which were once the videogame giants have been relegated to doing downloadable games for PSN/XBox live/IPhone, I think.

06 November 2012, 21:36	#23
diablothe2nd Registered User Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Northamptonshire, UK Age: 42 Posts: 1,236	i blame the big corporations like microsoft. for example, just releasing a patch on xbox live costs the devs 40 grand! publishers aren't exactly healthy to the industry either, hence the sudden influx of indies

07 November 2012, 13:52	#28
Ian Global Moderator Join Date: May 2001 Location: Derby, UK Age: 46 Posts: 2,292	Probably more due to his studio making nothing but shite for the last 10 years than lack of vision by publishers. And when he was backed he made a buggy price of shot that never came close to the original.

07 November 2012, 16:10	#29
Adropac2 Zone Friend Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Age: 51 Posts: 1,066	Hope this happens but I also hope Mr Braben realises that save states really shouldn't apply to single play. And I know Frontier and First Encounters has it's fanbase and are worthy games in a number of ways, but they we're overally fussy and complicated. In truth they weren't on the same page as the original. We've never seen a truly great Elite sequel and I wonder if DB is up to the task of realising the true potential of it

07 November 2012, 18:39	#31
Tiago Registered User Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Estoril/Portugal Age: 47 Posts: 115	Great news, i don't care if his studio did or did not good games after elite series, the man has my respect. The chance to have another Elite game makes me feel happy.

07 November 2012, 22:47	#32
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,399	But have you made a pledge? I have. I do worry that the genre is a bit dead. I do hope they expand the "missions" with good RPG elements.

07 November 2012, 23:06	#33
alenppc Registered User Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Canada Age: 44 Posts: 910	I dislike online games though. I made a pledge even though I hope this one will have a nice single player mode like the old Elite & Frontier with a fictional universe. By the information provided it seems it will.

12 November 2012, 02:25	#34
Hillsy_ Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: West Yorkshire, UK Age: 51 Posts: 260	One reason why I wouldn't back this project is because he doesn't think of the goal as a video game. We all know how much he loves astronomy. I just wish he would put effort into the content of the game and not make it about mapping every star system in the entire galaxy like in Frontier. Mr Braben, it is not about having 10,000,000,000,000 planets, but more about the quality within the game, the gameplay. The original Elite will always be a masterpiece for me, sadly I doubt we will ever see that again.

12 November 2012, 15:31	#35
ElectroBlaster Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Exeter, Devon, UK Age: 49 Posts: 1,711	Tbh im sick of Shooters and FPS games! My son wants Black Ops II. I bet you its just the same as the other games he already has lol. Its boring end of. Its a sad state of affairs when people have to ask for money to make a game in this day and age.

23 December 2012, 13:50	#37
Angus Amiga Games Database Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: South West England Posts: 1,272	£900,000 odd and 12 days to go - this could be close. I think I'm going to have to chip in my few quid. Latest Youtube clip: [ Show youtube player ]

26 December 2012, 18:09	#39
X-Lone Posts: n/a	This one needs a well deserved bump me thinks

26 December 2012, 20:11	#40
Adropac2 Zone Friend Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Age: 51 Posts: 1,066	I think it's fair to say that this wont even need to reach the target anyway for it to be made because they've likely been working on and off for years on it. This money will help though obviously and hopefully show there is at least a reasonable demand I hope DB has the good sense to allow a customizable save system outside the game itself, for those that view the save state system like any other game feature. It's all very well saying we don't have to use it, but it's there to use. Elite worked well for it's risk vs reward but there isn't truly any risk involved with states. People can't live without their save states and that's fine but it ruins the experience for some. A choice to disable their use BEFORE you enter your game file you start the game is all it would take and to not include it here for a game of this type is a bit insulting to be honest There was nothing more thrilling than say getting back to dock having landed a lucky scooping of cargo, to then making it out of just a few more battles than you should have attempted. It literally felt like your life is at stake at times in the original Elite. Save states change this completely but this reasoning seems lost on devs and gamers even

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